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Re: Theresa You Were so Poo

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Real Al wrote: Sat May 25, 2019 3:22 pm
point nine one eight wrote: Sat May 25, 2019 3:14 pm
A Pedant wrote: Sat May 25, 2019 1:05 pm
No we don't. We only trade with 24 countries and territories under WTO rules alone, and even with those there are agreements with the EU to make trade easier. With a further 68 countries we have trade agreements better than WTO rules, as members of the EU. And of course we have zero-tariff trade with the other 27 EU countries.

Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41859691
And from there we negotiate better deals WTO is the start position as you know full well
You think we are going to negotiate BETTER deals than the EU can?
Easy, tell @em to take a hike, we leave end October as they will not allow us to stay longer, as we won't accept deal on the table, we leave with no deal thus we have Brexit on WTO terms, then we start to again on equal terms
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Sid Bishop wrote: Sat May 25, 2019 11:11 am
point nine one eight wrote: Sat May 25, 2019 9:59 am
Lovejoy wrote: Sat May 25, 2019 9:16 am A thankless task, I don't think anyone can do any better. The EU have already issued a warning to whoever takes her place, that they will not change anything.
Good, we tell them to sing for there money, come 31st October deal or no deal we leave anyway, we thankfully wont take deal on offer as it's worse than we currently have and we leave WTO terms, which we deal on with rest of the world and from there you strike up better deals. We are a maritime nation that has traded with the whole world not something stuck dealing a bunch of brit haters that only want our money and continually run us down
This is what happens when you have politicians and civil servants trying to do a job like this without involving input from top business men and women.
Most MPs have never ever done anything else other than be involved in jobs involving politics, Civil servants, Unions and Local Councils, mostly jobs that are funded by tax payers, main tax income being taken from from private businesses or people who work for private business company's.
How on earth when negotiating any big deal can you be taking ''No DEAL'' off the table ? Completely bonkers as was throwing away so many of our bargaining chips away so early as May did. She also caved in so early on giving the EU 39 Billion pounds of UK money. As said, even in the Home Office she would go away to her ''Bunker'' then come back with what she wanted to do and give no one else an input. May has the mindset of an administrative and inflexible civil servant, she has NOT got a personality or imagination, cannot engage in normal human conversation, yes a ROBOTIC like person and was no way suitable to be in the role of negotiation for this leaving the EU deal. With May it was ''My Deal'' and Nothing else. She has been a complete waste of space as a PM and the only tears shed at the end were for herself and her own personal failures in the highest job. All in all, so glad to see her go, but WHAT a mess she has left behind. Lastly, both Labour and Conservative Parties pledged to deliver Brexit, but in fact in the EU referendum, out of 650 MPS, 500 of them voted to remain and although they pledged to deliver the result, they in fat non stop obstructed it ever happening. Even if another referendum took place and a higher amount of people voted to lever the EU, these MPs would STILL do everything to stop it actually happening !
She didnt cave in on the 39 Billion
That was part of the original leaving deal.

If you vote to leave you must settle 2 years worth of commitments. It just happened to be £39 billiin for the uk.

No one.could have changed that.

David Davies spouted how easy it would be .

Nah

Fox said we wont be paying any money.

Yeah we will.

The irish boarder is non negotiable .

Yup thats staying.

This is just the beginning of the negotiations.

Leave without a deal of any kind & go to WTO
That only lasts a short period of time & then wto starts to implement tariffs.

Which will be alot higher.
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Re: Theresa You Were so Poo

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point nine one eight wrote: Sat May 25, 2019 3:31 pm
Real Al wrote: Sat May 25, 2019 3:22 pm
point nine one eight wrote: Sat May 25, 2019 3:14 pm
And from there we negotiate better deals WTO is the start position as you know full well
You think we are going to negotiate BETTER deals than the EU can?
Easy, tell @em to take a hike, we leave end October as they will not allow us to stay longer, as we won't accept deal on the table, we leave with no deal thus we have Brexit on WTO terms, then we start to again on equal terms
Sorry, I have no idea what you're saying. Equal with what?

Okay, we can probably negotiate deals with countries where the EU don't currently have one faster than they can. But better deals - how? If I was negotiating with a large supermarket, I would be sure they would really screw down a good price, but that might be good because of the amount they would buy. If I was dealing with a corner shop, they'd have much less clout. It will be the same for the UK versus the EU, specially as they will know how desperate we will be to get deals done quickly.
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Re: Theresa You Were so Poo

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Disoriented wrote: Sat May 25, 2019 11:02 am
Lovejoy wrote: Sat May 25, 2019 9:16 am A thankless task, I don't think anyone can do any better. The EU have already issued a warning to whoever takes her place, that they will not change anything.
Why should they? The divorce is all from our side.
I am not arguing the point, just stating it.
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Feel for her. They gave her a vote of confidence because nobody else had the guts to do the job of negotiating. If I were her, I'd have said 'f*** the lot of you' before leaving.
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Real Al wrote: Sat May 25, 2019 12:49 pm The government published a paper before the referendum where they surmised it would be extremely difficult to agree a deal within the 2 years allowed. To be fair to May, she did agree a deal in that time, it was just not acceptable to anyone. It wasn't MPs voting to obstruct Brexit though - just the deal on the table. The hard Brexiteers were just as much to blame.

Brexit was always a ridiculous thing to attempt. All the signs were there, but were ignored. You will get your Brexit eventually and it will the mess I've always predicted.

Blue passports though.
May consulted only ''remainer'' Civil servants,the various Brexit ''Secretary's'' were in name only, she rarely if ever consulted them, it was MY way or NO way with her !! Also the so called deal she and her team negotiated was far worse than if we stopped in the EU and with the Northern Ireland ''Back stop'' would most likely have seen us stuck in the customs union for ever and a day and still paying a substantial amount of money each year. I am glad she has been shown the door.
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Re: Theresa You Were so Poo

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tuffers#1 wrote: Sat May 25, 2019 3:33 pm
Sid Bishop wrote: Sat May 25, 2019 11:11 am
point nine one eight wrote: Sat May 25, 2019 9:59 am
Good, we tell them to sing for there money, come 31st October deal or no deal we leave anyway, we thankfully wont take deal on offer as it's worse than we currently have and we leave WTO terms, which we deal on with rest of the world and from there you strike up better deals. We are a maritime nation that has traded with the whole world not something stuck dealing a bunch of brit haters that only want our money and continually run us down
This is what happens when you have politicians and civil servants trying to do a job like this without involving input from top business men and women.
Most MPs have never ever done anything else other than be involved in jobs involving politics, Civil servants, Unions and Local Councils, mostly jobs that are funded by tax payers, main tax income being taken from from private businesses or people who work for private business company's.
How on earth when negotiating any big deal can you be taking ''No DEAL'' off the table ? Completely bonkers as was throwing away so many of our bargaining chips away so early as May did. She also caved in so early on giving the EU 39 Billion pounds of UK money. As said, even in the Home Office she would go away to her ''Bunker'' then come back with what she wanted to do and give no one else an input. May has the mindset of an administrative and inflexible civil servant, she has NOT got a personality or imagination, cannot engage in normal human conversation, yes a ROBOTIC like person and was no way suitable to be in the role of negotiation for this leaving the EU deal. With May it was ''My Deal'' and Nothing else. She has been a complete waste of space as a PM and the only tears shed at the end were for herself and her own personal failures in the highest job. All in all, so glad to see her go, but WHAT a mess she has left behind. Lastly, both Labour and Conservative Parties pledged to deliver Brexit, but in fact in the EU referendum, out of 650 MPS, 500 of them voted to remain and although they pledged to deliver the result, they in fat non stop obstructed it ever happening. Even if another referendum took place and a higher amount of people voted to lever the EU, these MPs would STILL do everything to stop it actually happening !
She didnt cave in on the 39 Billion
That was part of the original leaving deal.

If you vote to leave you must settle 2 years worth of commitments. It just happened to be £39 billiin for the uk.

No one.could have changed that.

David Davies spouted how easy it would be .

Nah

Fox said we wont be paying any money.

Yeah we will.

The irish boarder is non negotiable .

Yup thats staying.

This is just the beginning of the negotiations.

Leave without a deal of any kind & go to WTO
That only lasts a short period of time & then wto starts to implement tariffs.

Which will be alot higher.
We will see what happens when real negotiators are given a chance. What experience did May and her team have of negotiating big business deals..........NONE. OMG, all these defeatist's, ''cant be done, cant be done'' Good job we did not have them in charge throughout the second world war, if so then Britain would rolled on its back to have its tummy tickled by Hitler and his allies.
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Re: Theresa You Were so Poo

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Sid Bishop wrote: Sat May 25, 2019 5:11 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: Sat May 25, 2019 3:33 pm
Sid Bishop wrote: Sat May 25, 2019 11:11 am

This is what happens when you have politicians and civil servants trying to do a job like this without involving input from top business men and women.
Most MPs have never ever done anything else other than be involved in jobs involving politics, Civil servants, Unions and Local Councils, mostly jobs that are funded by tax payers, main tax income being taken from from private businesses or people who work for private business company's.
How on earth when negotiating any big deal can you be taking ''No DEAL'' off the table ? Completely bonkers as was throwing away so many of our bargaining chips away so early as May did. She also caved in so early on giving the EU 39 Billion pounds of UK money. As said, even in the Home Office she would go away to her ''Bunker'' then come back with what she wanted to do and give no one else an input. May has the mindset of an administrative and inflexible civil servant, she has NOT got a personality or imagination, cannot engage in normal human conversation, yes a ROBOTIC like person and was no way suitable to be in the role of negotiation for this leaving the EU deal. With May it was ''My Deal'' and Nothing else. She has been a complete waste of space as a PM and the only tears shed at the end were for herself and her own personal failures in the highest job. All in all, so glad to see her go, but WHAT a mess she has left behind. Lastly, both Labour and Conservative Parties pledged to deliver Brexit, but in fact in the EU referendum, out of 650 MPS, 500 of them voted to remain and although they pledged to deliver the result, they in fat non stop obstructed it ever happening. Even if another referendum took place and a higher amount of people voted to lever the EU, these MPs would STILL do everything to stop it actually happening !
She didnt cave in on the 39 Billion
That was part of the original leaving deal.

If you vote to leave you must settle 2 years worth of commitments. It just happened to be £39 billiin for the uk.

No one.could have changed that.

David Davies spouted how easy it would be .

Nah

Fox said we wont be paying any money.

Yeah we will.

The irish boarder is non negotiable .

Yup thats staying.

This is just the beginning of the negotiations.

Leave without a deal of any kind & go to WTO
That only lasts a short period of time & then wto starts to implement tariffs.

Which will be alot higher.
We will see what happens when real negotiators are given a chance. What experience did May and her team have of negotiating big business deals..........NONE. OMG, all these defeatist's, ''cant be done, cant be done'' Good job we did not have them in charge throughout the second world war, if so then Britain would rolled on its back to have its tummy tickled by Hitler and his allies.
Negotiations won't start untl the uk leaves & honours the 3 steps outlined.
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Lovejoy wrote: Sat May 25, 2019 4:53 pm
Disoriented wrote: Sat May 25, 2019 11:02 am
Lovejoy wrote: Sat May 25, 2019 9:16 am A thankless task, I don't think anyone can do any better. The EU have already issued a warning to whoever takes her place, that they will not change anything.
Why should they? The divorce is all from our side.
I am not arguing the point, just stating it.
Fair enough.
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Sid Bishop wrote: Sat May 25, 2019 5:11 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: Sat May 25, 2019 3:33 pm
Sid Bishop wrote: Sat May 25, 2019 11:11 am
We will see what happens when real negotiators are given a chance. What experience did May and her team have of negotiating big business deals..........NONE. OMG, all these defeatist's, ''cant be done, cant be done'' Good job we did not have them in charge throughout the second world war, if so then Britain would rolled on its back to have its tummy tickled by Hitler and his allies.
Good Job the Germans went East in 1941
Good Job the Russians managed to stop the Germans going East & drobe them back.

Good job the Yanks came in & Finished the Job from the West. 

If it hadnt bee for those 2 Nations The UK would most definitely would be rolling on its back getting a tummy tickle & it woild be saying Schnell Schnell while it was happening .
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tuffers#1 wrote: Sat May 25, 2019 6:28 pm
Sid Bishop wrote: Sat May 25, 2019 5:11 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: Sat May 25, 2019 3:33 pm

We will see what happens when real negotiators are given a chance. What experience did May and her team have of negotiating big business deals..........NONE. OMG, all these defeatist's, ''cant be done, cant be done'' Good job we did not have them in charge throughout the second world war, if so then Britain would rolled on its back to have its tummy tickled by Hitler and his allies.
Good Job the Germans went East in 1941
Good Job the Russians managed to stop the Germans going East & drobe them back.

Good job the Yanks came in & Finished the Job from the West. 

If it hadnt bee for those 2 Nations The UK would most definitely would be rolling on its back getting a tummy tickle & it woild be saying Schnell Schnell while it was happening .
And according to you England did NOTHING !! But hold on a minute, the 2nd World War started 1st September 1939 and under the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact of August 1939, Germany and the Soviet Union partitioned and annexed territories of their European neighbours, Poland, Finland, Romania and the Baltic states. It was only when Germany FAILED to overcome the brave pilots and planes of the RAF, in its attempted invasion of Great Britain that in frustration, it broke it pact with Russia and attacked them in June 1941. Until that time,Russia was hand in hand with Hitlers Germany. It was only after June 1941 when Russia was attacked, that it joined Britain in the war against Germany. As to USA, for over 2 years it sat on the sidelines of 2nd World War and it was only when Pearl Harbor was attacked in December 1941 by Japan, that the US joined up with Great Britain and Russia to fight against the axis of Germany, Italy and Japan. Also from August 1941, USA and Great Britain supplied Russia with many supplies via the Arctic convoys of World War II, convoys which sailed from the United Kingdom, Iceland, and North America to northern ports in the Soviet Union – There were 78 convoys between August 1941 and May 1945. Many allied ships from those conveys were sunk and thousands of brave sailors from US, Uk and Canada etc died whilst doing their duty trying to supply Russia with vital war supplies.
About 1,400 merchant ships delivered essential supplies to the Soviet Union under the Lend-Lease program, escorted by ships of the Royal Navy, Royal Canadian Navy, and the U.S. Navy. Eighty-five merchant vessels and 16 Royal Navy warships (two cruisers, six destroyers, eight other escort ships) were lost. The convoys demonstrated the Allies' commitment to helping the Soviet Union, prior to the opening of a second front, and tied up a substantial part of Germany's naval and air forces.
But then again, according to you, Great Britain did little to nothing in the second world war !!
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So why was there only Americans & Russians at Checkpoint Charlie ?

Seems strange that a country that believed itself.to be so deeply ingrained in the workings of the
world wasnt included here.

Again Funny How the yanks seemed quite happy to lead all the major victories & invasions from british shores.

After Dunkirk in 1940 its hardly a suprise the yanks decided that to beat the Germans they would eventually need to be involved.

Of course only after the Americans had emptied.the uk coffers in the process.
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The worst PM ever probably. Stubborn and obstinate, she should have resigned after she rashly called an election after saying categorically for months, that she wouldn't have one, and lost her party their majority in the process.
She lacked warmth and never clicked with people.
The day after the Grenfel disaster she visited the scene but only spoke to the emergency services, not the people. She was/is a cold hearted woman with no empathy for ordinary people.
History will judge her badly I think. After Cameron, it was hard to believe an even worse Prime Minister would arrive, but that's what happened
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ComeOnYouOs wrote: Sat May 25, 2019 7:51 pm The worst PM ever probably. Stubborn and obstinate, she should have resigned after she rashly called an election after saying categorically for months, that she wouldn't have one, and lost her party their majority in the process.
She lacked warmth and never clicked with people.
The day after the Grenfel disaster she visited the scene but only spoke to the emergency services, not the people. She was/is a cold hearted woman with no empathy for ordinary people.
History will judge her badly I think. After Cameron, it was hard to believe an even worse Prime Minister would arrive, but that's what happened
You are so right here. It was astonishing that despite her snub to the Grenfell victims, she tried to make political capital out of it in her resignation speech.

Awful lady.
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ComeOnYouOs wrote: Sat May 25, 2019 7:51 pm History will judge her badly I think. After Cameron, it was hard to believe an even worse Prime Minister would arrive, but that's what happened
It will get worse yet if Corbyn ever makes it through the door of No.10. :shock:
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Ornchurch wrote: Sat May 25, 2019 9:11 pm
ComeOnYouOs wrote: Sat May 25, 2019 7:51 pm History will judge her badly I think. After Cameron, it was hard to believe an even worse Prime Minister would arrive, but that's what happened
It will get worse yet if Corbyn ever makes it through the door of No.10. :shock:
It wont.

The Hard left will build housing for the poor , invest in schools the NHS & in people, taxes will go up & the rich will pay what they should have done forever
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tuffers#1 wrote: Sat May 25, 2019 7:42 pm So why was there only Americans & Russians at Checkpoint Charlie ?

Seems strange that a country that believed itself.to be so deeply ingrained in the workings of the
world wasnt included here.

Again Funny How the yanks seemed quite happy to lead all the major victories & invasions from british shores.

After Dunkirk in 1940 its hardly a suprise the yanks decided that to beat the Germans they would eventually need to be involved.

Of course only after the Americans had emptied.the uk coffers in the process.
Once Germany had conquered all the major European Countries, only the UK stood left in Europe unconquered by Germany. The invasion was halted and the Luftwaffe got a bloodied nose when it came up against the brave airmen and fighter planes of the RAF. After suffering unsustainable losses in the air war against Britain, Germany turned its hate against Russia. So for the most part of two years, Russia did not fight against Germany as did not the USA. It was Britain and its Commonwealth who alone held out against the Axis armed forces, Russia and the USA were nowhere to be seen !!
As to Checkpoint Charlie, that was in the American sector of West Berlin which was formally controlled by the Western Allies and was entirely surrounded by the Soviet-controlled East Berlin and East Germany. At the end of the day Uk is a very small Country compared to Russia and the USA, but in World War two we fought bravely and punched well above our weight.
I have noticed in many other comments that you non stop put down the UK and England especially, so its quite obvious that you are not a suitable person to comment on improving anything in this Country as it is quite obvious that you have nothing positive to ever say, just a non stop continuation of negative comments.
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Exactly a Small Country .
Only ever conquered places full of peasants .

When the Real Superpowers of the world get involved the uk is never involved.

Russia China US Israel , Germany , North Korea, Brazil
Saudia Arabia , pretty much dictate what goes down in the world .

A little island & its teritories wont do much.
Better off in the EU as it wouldnt give a proper power a sweat on let alone a bloody nose these days
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tuffers#1 wrote: Sat May 25, 2019 9:14 pm taxes will go up & the rich will pay what they should have done forever
Most Labour MPs are richer than the average bear so taxes wont go up too high.
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Ornchurch wrote: Sat May 25, 2019 9:39 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: Sat May 25, 2019 9:14 pm taxes will go up & the rich will pay what they should have done forever
Most Labour MPs are richer than the average bear so taxes wont go up too high.
Most Labour Mps.are poorer there tory.counter parts so theyll go up enough
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tuffers#1 wrote: Sat May 25, 2019 9:43 pm
Ornchurch wrote: Sat May 25, 2019 9:39 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: Sat May 25, 2019 9:14 pm taxes will go up & the rich will pay what they should have done forever
Most Labour MPs are richer than the average bear so taxes wont go up too high.
Most Labour Mps.are poorer there tory.counter parts so theyll go up enough
We'll have to wait and see but hopefully wont get the chance to find out.
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tuffers#1 wrote: Sat May 25, 2019 9:14 pm
Ornchurch wrote: Sat May 25, 2019 9:11 pm
ComeOnYouOs wrote: Sat May 25, 2019 7:51 pm History will judge her badly I think. After Cameron, it was hard to believe an even worse Prime Minister would arrive, but that's what happened
It will get worse yet if Corbyn ever makes it through the door of No.10. :shock:
It wont.

The Hard left will build housing for the poor , invest in schools the NHS & in people, taxes will go up & the rich will pay what they should have done forever
When tax was 60% the top 1% paid 28%, when 40% it didn't change. It reduced when Labour increased this to 50% and has increased again when put back to 45%.

If you increase taxes for the richest, they move away. Leaving the rest of us to pick up the tab. This happened in the 70's. Basic rate was 35%, higher rate was 83%. Tax receipts increased after the higher rate was reduced to 60% and lower to 30%.

Corbyn wants to increase personal to 50% and corporate by 10%, the bigger and richer will move to cheaper climbs.

This is called Laffers curve.
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Cool, let them go.
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Corporation Tax was 11% higher just 10 years ago - during a Tory government. The world didn't fall in. I wonder why
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Still's Carenae wrote: Sat May 25, 2019 11:41 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: Sat May 25, 2019 9:14 pm
Ornchurch wrote: Sat May 25, 2019 9:11 pm

It will get worse yet if Corbyn ever makes it through the door of No.10. :shock:
It wont.

The Hard left will build housing for the poor , invest in schools the NHS & in people, taxes will go up & the rich will pay what they should have done forever
When tax was 60% the top 1% paid 28%, when 40% it didn't change. It reduced when Labour increased this to 50% and has increased again when put back to 45%.

If you increase taxes for the richest, they move away. Leaving the rest of us to pick up the tab. This happened in the 70's. Basic rate was 35%, higher rate was 83%. Tax receipts increased after the higher rate was reduced to 60% and lower to 30%.

Corbyn wants to increase personal to 50% and corporate by 10%, the bigger and richer will move to cheaper climbs.

This is called Laffers curve.
You saw what trump said about people wanting to leave if tax rises or tariffs affected there buisness ?

You move well tax you 100 % & we'll increase tariffs against you.
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