Re: Troy Deeney
Posted: Wed May 20, 2020 11:34 am
Makes a change from reading about a Premier League player breaking lockdown fo a quick shag.
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Makes a change from reading about a Premier League player breaking lockdown fo a quick shag.
NO employer is able to state that their employees are safe from harm and so must fail the duty of care requirements. So, yes Watford are failing their other employees. If other players make a different choice than Deeney has, that is their perogative but does NOTHING to invalidate his choice. Equally, what other employers are, or are not, doing has nothing to do with it.Ornchurch wrote: ↑Tue May 19, 2020 7:27 pmSo are Watford failing in their duty of care towards their other players as well?EH16 wrote: ↑Tue May 19, 2020 4:19 pm All employers have a duty of care to keep their employees safe from harm and injury. As Watford cannot fulfil this in relation to the virus Deeney is perfectly entitled to refuse to return to work. He is also well within his legal and moral rights to insist on being paid his full salary. The amount he gets paid has absolutely nothing to do with it.
I would say that with the number of tests being provided and the other measures being proposed, which has led to a number of commentators saying that a football training ground is as safe as any other environment at this time, that football clubs are providing a duty of care far in excess of other employers.
My Father was in the territorial army ( London Scottish Regiment ) and signed up for the army as soon as world war 2 started in September 1939, at the time he had a young daughter of 2 years old ( my sister ) and my mum was expecting a baby ( my older brother ) He was in a reserved occupation and also at the time classed as too old to join in the call up, so had no need to rush up to enlist. He was eventually shipped out in early 1940 to North Africa ( 8th Army ) saw that campaign through and was then shipped across to Italy for the Italian campaign. He eventually came home in October 1944 and saw my brother for the FIRST time ! Dad went to the war with a full head of hair and came back nearly bald, down to stress and for all the rest of his life he suffered with nightmares where he was recalling the terrible things he had seen and been through. In those days ex army post traumatic stress disorder was not a recognised illness. I have all the letters that he sent to my mum while abroad in which he kept saying about hoping the war would end soon. Away from his wife and young family for 5 years and all this for a peanuts wage and the constant risk ( as were other servicemen ) of being killed or badly injured ! Two of my aunties, although coming from a well of family in Woodford and doing office jobs, also enlisted as ''Land Army Girls'' to do their bit ! So different times when families were separated and for a LOT longer than a few weeks while the men folk play football for very large wages !point nine one eight wrote: ↑Tue May 19, 2020 2:36 pmAs ever Sid your spot onSid Bishop wrote: ↑Tue May 19, 2020 1:23 pmSo if he is a true pro and still wishes to still pick up his salary of many thousands of pounds per week, then why not isolate himself from his son for these few weeks of training and playing ? Sure he could afford to pay for separate accommodation for a few weeks ?Ornchurch wrote: ↑Tue May 19, 2020 12:43 pm It's an interesting issue.
I'm on the side of Deeney with this one as his boys health is far more important than anything else but the question is:-
Whilst there are people who want to work but are unable to due to being furloughed should those who are able to but refuse on health grounds have their salary reduced?
So Sid, tell me, did the Army take all possible steps to ensure that their employees were safe from harm and complete their duty of care requirements?Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 7:49 pmMy Father was in the territorial army ( London Scottish Regiment ) and signed up for the army as soon as world war 2 started in September 1939, at the time he had a young daughter of 2 years old ( my sister ) and my mum was expecting a baby ( my older brother ) He was in a reserved occupation and also at the time classed as too old to join in the call up, so had no need to rush up to enlist. He was eventually shipped out in early 1940 to North Africa ( 8th Army ) saw that campaign through and was then shipped across to Italy for the Italian campaign. He eventually came home in October 1944 and saw my brother for the FIRST time ! Dad went to the war with a full head of hair and came back nearly bald, down to stress and for all the rest of his life he suffered with nightmares where he was recalling the terrible things he had seen and been through. In those days ex army post traumatic stress disorder was not a recognised illness. I have all the letters that he sent to my mum while abroad in which he kept saying about hoping the war would end soon. Away from his wife and young family for 5 years and all this for a peanuts wage and the constant risk ( as were other servicemen ) of being killed or badly injured ! Two of my aunties, although coming from a well of family in Woodford and doing office jobs, also enlisted as ''Land Army Girls'' to do their bit ! So different times when families were separated and for a LOT longer than a few weeks while the men folk play football for very large wages !point nine one eight wrote: ↑Tue May 19, 2020 2:36 pmAs ever Sid your spot onSid Bishop wrote: ↑Tue May 19, 2020 1:23 pm
So if he is a true pro and still wishes to still pick up his salary of many thousands of pounds per week, then why not isolate himself from his son for these few weeks of training and playing ? Sure he could afford to pay for separate accommodation for a few weeks ?
He wasn't so nice when he kicked a student in the head, for which he got sent down.Redcard wrote: ↑Tue May 19, 2020 2:21 pm I spent an entire flight sitting next to Troy . 30 plus of the watford squad were on the plane and I must say they were extremely well behaved. A real nice guy.
He even out talked me, which is some feat, and told me his father had a reputation for being a bit tasty and would often take on several guys .
Hardly Elliot OmozusiPaddy Grealish wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 10:13 pmHe wasn't so nice when he kicked a student in the head, for which he got sent down.Redcard wrote: ↑Tue May 19, 2020 2:21 pm I spent an entire flight sitting next to Troy . 30 plus of the watford squad were on the plane and I must say they were extremely well behaved. A real nice guy.
He even out talked me, which is some feat, and told me his father had a reputation for being a bit tasty and would often take on several guys .
Horrible c*nt.
A good point well made.Bergen wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 8:39 am Ben Tozer (Cheltenham): "-Our striker Reuben Reid's wife is currently in remission from cancer. She has been told by the NHS to shield. What do you say to Reuben, if he has to come back and play and then potentially infect his wife and kids?"
Not just a problem for PL players.
Oh sure ! Like sending out our men to die in british tanks at the start of the war to fight the Germans, tanks so outdated with poor armament and thin armour that were no match for the superior German Panzers. Also the Sherman tank had big problem, read below.Ornchurch wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 9:20 pmSo Sid, tell me, did the Army take all possible steps to ensure that their employees were safe from harm and complete their duty of care requirements?Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 7:49 pmMy Father was in the territorial army ( London Scottish Regiment ) and signed up for the army as soon as world war 2 started in September 1939, at the time he had a young daughter of 2 years old ( my sister ) and my mum was expecting a baby ( my older brother ) He was in a reserved occupation and also at the time classed as too old to join in the call up, so had no need to rush up to enlist. He was eventually shipped out in early 1940 to North Africa ( 8th Army ) saw that campaign through and was then shipped across to Italy for the Italian campaign. He eventually came home in October 1944 and saw my brother for the FIRST time ! Dad went to the war with a full head of hair and came back nearly bald, down to stress and for all the rest of his life he suffered with nightmares where he was recalling the terrible things he had seen and been through. In those days ex army post traumatic stress disorder was not a recognised illness. I have all the letters that he sent to my mum while abroad in which he kept saying about hoping the war would end soon. Away from his wife and young family for 5 years and all this for a peanuts wage and the constant risk ( as were other servicemen ) of being killed or badly injured ! Two of my aunties, although coming from a well of family in Woodford and doing office jobs, also enlisted as ''Land Army Girls'' to do their bit ! So different times when families were separated and for a LOT longer than a few weeks while the men folk play football for very large wages !
Yes we 'd all agree that it doesn't make sense for this fella to play but what % of footballers does it actually hit I'd go with less than 3.Disoriented wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 9:05 amA good point well made.Bergen wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 8:39 am Ben Tozer (Cheltenham): "-Our striker Reuben Reid's wife is currently in remission from cancer. She has been told by the NHS to shield. What do you say to Reuben, if he has to come back and play and then potentially infect his wife and kids?"
Not just a problem for PL players.
He is getting paid a huge wage to do what he is paid for, kicking a ball about while meanwhile others on far less money who work for the club are furloughed for the tax payers to pay their wages. I am sure he could make the sacrifice of being away from his family for such a short time, I know I would if I was in his position. Years ago people separated by work or other reasons such as being in the armed forces, had no other contact than by letters, no internet or mobile phones. Such a feeling of entitlement in this day and age.Millennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 12:16 pm Apart from the ludicrous comparison of the current pandemic with sending men off to fight in the Second World War, why do people keep bringing someone's wages into it?
What utter drivel. If you'd give up seeing your family for the sake of playing football then, quite frankly, they'd be better off without you.Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 12:47 pmHe is getting paid a huge wage to do what he is paid for, kicking a ball about while meanwhile others on far less money who work for the club are furloughed for the tax payers to pay their wages. I am sure he could make the sacrifice of being away from his family for such a short time, I know I would if I was in his position. Years ago people separated by work or other reasons such as being in the armed forces, had no other contact than by letters, no internet or mobile phones. Such a feeling of entitlement in this day and age.Millennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 12:16 pm Apart from the ludicrous comparison of the current pandemic with sending men off to fight in the Second World War, why do people keep bringing someone's wages into it?
Its not drivel though is it?EH16 wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 6:00 pmWhat utter drivel. If you'd give up seeing your family for the sake of playing football then, quite frankly, they'd be better off without you.Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 12:47 pmHe is getting paid a huge wage to do what he is paid for, kicking a ball about while meanwhile others on far less money who work for the club are furloughed for the tax payers to pay their wages. I am sure he could make the sacrifice of being away from his family for such a short time, I know I would if I was in his position. Years ago people separated by work or other reasons such as being in the armed forces, had no other contact than by letters, no internet or mobile phones. Such a feeling of entitlement in this day and age.Millennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 12:16 pm Apart from the ludicrous comparison of the current pandemic with sending men off to fight in the Second World War, why do people keep bringing someone's wages into it?
Actually mate I am white, whatever difference that makes. I am also aware of the heightened danger that Covid 19 presents me as I am a cancer sufferer.West Side Story wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 7:06 pm Ornchurch.....................I bet you are white. I wonder if you were a different colour and was aware of the heightened danger that Covid 19 presented you, whether you would write such tosh?
If he was earning minimum wage, would you still take the same view?Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 12:47 pmHe is getting paid a huge wage to do what he is paid for, kicking a ball about while meanwhile others on far less money who work for the club are furloughed for the tax payers to pay their wages. I am sure he could make the sacrifice of being away from his family for such a short time, I know I would if I was in his position. Years ago people separated by work or other reasons such as being in the armed forces, had no other contact than by letters, no internet or mobile phones. Such a feeling of entitlement in this day and age.Millennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 12:16 pm Apart from the ludicrous comparison of the current pandemic with sending men off to fight in the Second World War, why do people keep bringing someone's wages into it?
Nothing. That was just Sid being Sid.Millennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 8:03 pmIf he was earning minimum wage, would you still take the same view?Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 12:47 pmHe is getting paid a huge wage to do what he is paid for, kicking a ball about while meanwhile others on far less money who work for the club are furloughed for the tax payers to pay their wages. I am sure he could make the sacrifice of being away from his family for such a short time, I know I would if I was in his position. Years ago people separated by work or other reasons such as being in the armed forces, had no other contact than by letters, no internet or mobile phones. Such a feeling of entitlement in this day and age.Millennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 12:16 pm Apart from the ludicrous comparison of the current pandemic with sending men off to fight in the Second World War, why do people keep bringing someone's wages into it?
Again, what the f*** does fighting in a war 80 years ago have to do with this?
It's completely understandable. Time spent away from your kids is time you will never get back.Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 8:43 pmNothing. That was just Sid being Sid.Millennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 8:03 pmIf he was earning minimum wage, would you still take the same view?Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 12:47 pm
He is getting paid a huge wage to do what he is paid for, kicking a ball about while meanwhile others on far less money who work for the club are furloughed for the tax payers to pay their wages. I am sure he could make the sacrifice of being away from his family for such a short time, I know I would if I was in his position. Years ago people separated by work or other reasons such as being in the armed forces, had no other contact than by letters, no internet or mobile phones. Such a feeling of entitlement in this day and age.
Again, what the f*** does fighting in a war 80 years ago have to do with this?
Deeney's son is five months old so can completely understand him not wanting to be away from him or his wife.
What does that mean?
Nevermind