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one o in huntingdon wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:10 pm

spen666 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:39 pm

ContrifibulatoryFred wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:58 pm Spen666 in being an asshole shocker.
Whatever else Caroline Flack was, she was someone who obviously got to where she was on merit. You cannot simply sweep away her presence on some phenomenally successful TV shows on the basis of her being a c list celebrity, still less demean her achievements as vacuous.

Sorry if truth hurts. She got where she was by use of (social) media. FFS she was famous for being on TV which is MEDIA.

There are down sides to courting the media. If you don't want to be exposed to the downsides, then dont court (social) media and use it to boost your profile.

They are millions of famous people who dont have the media intrude into their lives, because they dont court that sort of publicity.

If you sup with the devil, use a long spoon.

You really are an obnoxious individual, she was no doubt someone's much loved daughter and others friend.
At least people noticed her unlike you who nobody has any interest in.

Well said.

one o in huntingdon wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:10 pm

spen666 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:39 pm

ContrifibulatoryFred wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:58 pm Spen666 in being an asshole shocker.
Whatever else Caroline Flack was, she was someone who obviously got to where she was on merit. You cannot simply sweep away her presence on some phenomenally successful TV shows on the basis of her being a c list celebrity, still less demean her achievements as vacuous.

Sorry if truth hurts. She got where she was by use of (social) media. FFS she was famous for being on TV which is MEDIA.

There are down sides to courting the media. If you don't want to be exposed to the downsides, then dont court (social) media and use it to boost your profile.

They are millions of famous people who dont have the media intrude into their lives, because they dont court that sort of publicity.

If you sup with the devil, use a long spoon.

You really are an obnoxious individual, she was no doubt someone's much loved daughter and others friend.
At least people noticed her unlike you who nobody has any interest in.

Yes, I agree she was someone's much loved daughter and others friend. That is irrelevant to what I have said.


When you court media publicity there is a downside that comes with it.

There is nothing controversial with that, unless you are living in a fantasy world.

You have to accept their are consequences to your actions. The consequence of courting media attention is that the media are interested in you.

You can insult and abuse me all you like, but I wont stop speaking the truth.

Indeed, I have not criticised Caroline Flack in any of my posts.

spen666 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:35 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:28 pm

spen666 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:22 pm Without social media, she wouldn't have been the celebrity she was.



It's a double edged sword. You can't complain about (social) media when you also court it you make you famous.

If she (& others) didn't court publicity, then they wouldn't get the same negatives from (social) media.

People need to be aware of the consequences of their actions

Is that why you are an active blogger,
Chasing a dream ?

Active blogger?

In what world are you living?

I've not been an active blogger for years now.


I also know and accept the consequences of using social media

I merely asked a Question Spen
I have no idea what you do
I do remember you mentionining it a few times
.

spen666 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:17 pm

one o in huntingdon wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:10 pm

spen666 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:39 pm



Sorry if truth hurts. She got where she was by use of (social) media. FFS she was famous for being on TV which is MEDIA.

There are down sides to courting the media. If you don't want to be exposed to the downsides, then dont court (social) media and use it to boost your profile.

They are millions of famous people who dont have the media intrude into their lives, because they dont court that sort of publicity.

If you sup with the devil, use a long spoon.

You really are an obnoxious individual, she was no doubt someone's much loved daughter and others friend.
At least people noticed her unlike you who nobody has any interest in.

Yes, I agree she was someone's much loved daughter and others friend. That is irrelevant to what I have said.


When you court media publicity there is a downside that comes with it.

There is nothing controversial with that, unless you are living in a fantasy world.

You have to accept their are consequences to your actions. The consequence of courting media attention is that the media are interested in you.

You can insult and abuse me all you like, but I wont stop speaking the truth.

Indeed, I have not criticised Caroline Flack in any of my posts.

Nothing yet to suggest that media interest was a factor in her death so put a sock in it will you?

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:03 pm

spen666 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:17 pm

one o in huntingdon wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:10 pm

You really are an obnoxious individual, she was no doubt someone's much loved daughter and others friend.
At least people noticed her unlike you who nobody has any interest in.

Yes, I agree she was someone's much loved daughter and others friend. That is irrelevant to what I have said.


When you court media publicity there is a downside that comes with it.

There is nothing controversial with that, unless you are living in a fantasy world.

You have to accept their are consequences to your actions. The consequence of courting media attention is that the media are interested in you.

You can insult and abuse me all you like, but I wont stop speaking the truth.

Indeed, I have not criticised Caroline Flack in any of my posts.

Nothing yet to suggest that media interest was a factor in her death so put a sock in it will you?

Whether it was a factor or not is irrelevant to the point I made. I have not suggested media interest was cause.

It however remain the case that if your court media attention to boost your career, you can't be taken by surprise that the media pay attention to what you do.

More ignoramus comments from Spen here.

No recognition for or understanding of the fact that Caroline Flack rose to the top in her career - which was in media yes, but not social media.

He prefers to peddle the idea that somehow she is to blame for putting herself in the firing line.

Comments like this from a so-called legal expert with all the ethics of a reptile, who is not beneath boasting about how much skiving he does at the tax payers expense. All of this I can bear reading about since it clearly points to the type of person Spen665 is.

But to come on here and roundly condemn someone on such flimsy and frankly obnoxious grounds, really does place Spen within the very worst category of pond life frequenting this forum.

ContrifibulatoryFred wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:58 pm Spen666 in being an asshole shocker.
Whatever else Caroline Flack was, she was someone who obviously got to where she was on merit. You cannot simply sweep away her presence on some phenomenally successful TV shows on the basis of her being a c list celebrity, still less demean her achievements as vacuous.

She was a presenter on that love island thing, wasn’t she?

Never watched it but such a sorry state of affairs for a person to do something like this.

Had a work colleague do this recently and as everything seemed fine with him we could never understand what drove him to this.

Amongst other TV jobs, yes. Did she get these jobs due to having the right attributes, or as Spen665 infers - because she was simply a self-publicist?

You decide

spen666 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:30 pm

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:03 pm

spen666 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:17 pm


Yes, I agree she was someone's much loved daughter and others friend. That is irrelevant to what I have said.


When you court media publicity there is a downside that comes with it.

There is nothing controversial with that, unless you are living in a fantasy world.

You have to accept their are consequences to your actions. The consequence of courting media attention is that the media are interested in you.

You can insult and abuse me all you like, but I wont stop speaking the truth.

Indeed, I have not criticised Caroline Flack in any of my posts.

Nothing yet to suggest that media interest was a factor in her death so put a sock in it will you?

Whether it was a factor or not is irrelevant to the point I made. I have not suggested media interest was cause.

It however remain the case that if your court media attention to boost your career, you can't be taken by surprise that the media pay attention to what you do.

Why are you bringing it up on a rip thread if you aren't suggesting it?

spen666 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:53 pm She chose to live the vacuous lifestyle of a z list celebrity chasing fame for games sake. She used media to her own ends and now she has paid the ultimate price of a vacuous lifestyle.

Also her allegedly smashing items over her boyfriend's head isnt something to help her.


Any death is sad, but the only person to blame is Caroline Flack


[Puts tin helmet on]

You sad person. I pity you.

Caroline Flack. Who? When?

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:54 pm ..??
Why are you bringing it up on a rip thread if you aren't suggesting it?

Hmmm, have you read the opening post in this thread?. I wonder where the suggestion her death was due to media action was raised in this thread

Caroline Flack RIP
Post by Andy Gilson » Sat Feb 15, 2020 6:01 pm

Found dead at 40.
The media may well have pushed her over the edge. Very sad.

Or the 2nd post on this thread

Re: Caroline Flack RIP
Post by Apple Wumble » Sat Feb 15, 2020 6:03 pm

Massive shame. The same rags who hounded her and mocked her will be paying tribute to her today. People should just be nicer.

Or 4th post

Re: Caroline Flack RIP
Post by Omygawd » Sat Feb 15, 2020 6:32 pm

Another tragedy unhelpfully fuelled by national and social media. RIP.

Or 6th post

Re: Caroline Flack RIP
Post by RoryRocks » Sat Feb 15, 2020 6:52 pm

Social media and rags like the Sun own this.

ITV let her down big time.

Harry and Meghan done the sensible thing as they were being harassed too.

So sad for her family and friends. RIP

All long before I responded to these people blaming the media.


Even despite this I stand by what I saidbamely if you court media attention to boost your career, you can't be surprised when media pay attention to you

Wanting media attention has consequences, namely you have put yourself in a goldfish bowl

spen666 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2020 7:10 am

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:54 pm ..??
Why are you bringing it up on a rip thread if you aren't suggesting it?

Hmmm, have you read the opening post in this thread?. I wonder where the suggestion her death was due to media action was raised in this thread

Caroline Flack RIP
Post by Andy Gilson » Sat Feb 15, 2020 6:01 pm

Found dead at 40.
The media may well have pushed her over the edge. Very sad.

Or the 2nd post on this thread

Re: Caroline Flack RIP
Post by Apple Wumble » Sat Feb 15, 2020 6:03 pm

Massive shame. The same rags who hounded her and mocked her will be paying tribute to her today. People should just be nicer.

Or 4th post

Re: Caroline Flack RIP
Post by Omygawd » Sat Feb 15, 2020 6:32 pm

Another tragedy unhelpfully fuelled by national and social media. RIP.

Or 6th post

Re: Caroline Flack RIP
Post by RoryRocks » Sat Feb 15, 2020 6:52 pm

Social media and rags like the Sun own this.

ITV let her down big time.

Harry and Meghan done the sensible thing as they were being harassed too.

So sad for her family and friends. RIP

All long before I responded to these people blaming the media.


Even despite this I stand by what I saidbamely if you court media attention to boost your career, you can't be surprised when media pay attention to you

Wanting media attention has consequences, namely you have put yourself in a goldfish bowl

Time to quit while you are behind you callous intellectual pygmy.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2020 7:15 am

spen666 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2020 7:10 am

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:54 pm ..??
Why are you bringing it up on a rip thread if you aren't suggesting it?

Hmmm, have you read the opening post in this thread?. I wonder where the suggestion her death was due to media action was raised in this thread

Caroline Flack RIP
Post by Andy Gilson » Sat Feb 15, 2020 6:01 pm

Found dead at 40.
The media may well have pushed her over the edge. Very sad.

Or the 2nd post on this thread

Re: Caroline Flack RIP
Post by Apple Wumble » Sat Feb 15, 2020 6:03 pm

Massive shame. The same rags who hounded her and mocked her will be paying tribute to her today. People should just be nicer.

Or 4th post

Re: Caroline Flack RIP
Post by Omygawd » Sat Feb 15, 2020 6:32 pm

Another tragedy unhelpfully fuelled by national and social media. RIP.

Or 6th post

Re: Caroline Flack RIP
Post by RoryRocks » Sat Feb 15, 2020 6:52 pm

Social media and rags like the Sun own this.

ITV let her down big time.

Harry and Meghan done the sensible thing as they were being harassed too.

So sad for her family and friends. RIP

All long before I responded to these people blaming the media.


Even despite this I stand by what I saidbamely if you court media attention to boost your career, you can't be surprised when media pay attention to you

Wanting media attention has consequences, namely you have put yourself in a goldfish bowl

Time to quit while you are behind you callous intellectual pygmy.

Instead of launching personal attacks on me, why not try to explain why I am wrong to state that
if you court media attention to boost your career, you can't be surprised when media pay attention to you

Wanting media attention has consequences, namely you have put yourself in a goldfish bowl


The fact you choose instead to launch personal attacks on me suggests you can't actually challenge what I have said.

Give the point I have made, your actions are ironically confirmatory of what I have said

spen666 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2020 7:43 am

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2020 7:15 am

spen666 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2020 7:10 am


Hmmm, have you read the opening post in this thread?. I wonder where the suggestion her death was due to media action was raised in this thread




Or the 2nd post on this thread



Or 4th post


Or 6th post




All long before I responded to these people blaming the media.


Even despite this I stand by what I saidbamely if you court media attention to boost your career, you can't be surprised when media pay attention to you

Wanting media attention has consequences, namely you have put yourself in a goldfish bowl

Time to quit while you are behind you callous intellectual pygmy.

Instead of launching personal attacks on me, why not try to explain why I am wrong to state that
if you court media attention to boost your career, you can't be surprised when media pay attention to you

Wanting media attention has consequences, namely you have put yourself in a goldfish bowl


The fact you choose instead to launch personal attacks on me suggests you can't actually challenge what I have said.

Give the point I have made, your actions are ironically confirmatory of what I have said

No need. Your words convict you as they are an undoubted admission of gross insensitivity, crass attention seeking and clear stupidity.

Just plead guilty - you are bang to rights sunshine.

Nobody is interested in the 'point' you are making Spen.

I hope this isn't going to be something you bang on and on about.

Terribly sad news. There's a certain hypocrisy in the media & social media this weekend.
Even people on here should engage their brain before writing attacks on certain individuals.

Howling Mad Murdock wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:46 pm Never watched it but such a sorry state of affairs for a person to do something like this.

Had a work colleague do this recently and as everything seemed fine with him we could never understand what drove him to this.

Me neither, my kids & Missus watch it, I usually head off to the spare room & watch whatever's on Sky Sports or Gold.
I did used to sit & watch her on Strictly though. She was a talented dancer, a lovely cheeky personality & I remember a raucous laugh. She seemed like the sort of girl you would like to have a laugh & drink with.
Horrible to think she felt she had no one to turn to
& she would take her own life

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2020 9:26 am Nobody is interested in the 'point' you are making Spen.

I hope this isn't going to be something you bang on and on about.

If no one is interested,bits funny how you and Disoriented are trying to silence the debate.

The fact is that if you court media publicity, you can't be surprised when the media take interest in you.

O my gawd wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2020 9:47 am

Howling Mad Murdock wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:46 pm Never watched it but such a sorry state of affairs for a person to do something like this.

Had a work colleague do this recently and as everything seemed fine with him we could never understand what drove him to this.

Me neither, my kids & Missus watch it, I usually head off to the spare room & watch whatever's on Sky Sports or Gold.
I did used to sit & watch her on Strictly though. She was a talented dancer, a lovely cheeky personality & I remember a raucous laugh. She seemed like the sort of girl you would like to have a laugh & drink with.
Horrible to think she felt she had no one to turn to
& she would take her own life

That is the intensely sad thing that anyone in her situation feels that talking to someone is useless and that they have no future.

I echo Howling MM’s feelings having had a colleague as well take his life. There seemed to be no lead up, but we had all missed clues which seemed obvious after the event.

spen666 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2020 9:54 am

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2020 9:26 am Nobody is interested in the 'point' you are making Spen.

I hope this isn't going to be something you bang on and on about.

If no one is interested,bits funny how you and Disoriented are trying to silence the debate.

The fact is that if you court media publicity, you can't be surprised when the media take interest in you.

Right, but as I've said a couple of times that's irrelevant because we don't know why she killed herself.

spen666 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:53 pm she has paid the ultimate price of a vacuous lifestyle.

Shameful

spen666 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2020 9:54 am

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2020 9:26 am Nobody is interested in the 'point' you are making Spen.

I hope this isn't going to be something you bang on and on about.

If no one is interested,bits funny how you and Disoriented are trying to silence the debate.

The fact is that if you court media publicity, you can't be surprised when the media take interest in you.

What insight.

Thanks for spending 2 pages rambling to enlighten us all with that.

What a crass speculative thread