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Posted: **Sat Jan 04, 2020 5:05 pm**

North Stand Dave wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:42 pm From what I've heard today its Ross & the club are offering him an 18 month contract.
The reason for the delay is because he wants it written in that if it doesn't work out & the club sack him he wants a guarantee that the club offer him another role within the club, that's why it wasn't announced sooner.
So maybe club not happy with that?
If True, Cake & Eat it comes to mind.

Also if that's the case we'll never ever get a decent experienced manager in Ross always want to be a coach/No.2 as with McMahon he took his No.2 to Dagenham with him.
Club best off letting Ross just do it until the end of the season if this is the case.

So where did you(allegedly) here this NSD or you just having your Andy Warhol moment

Posted: **Sat Jan 04, 2020 5:06 pm**

faith1234 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:25 pm I just dont want the cheap option we need to move forward and not back, We all love and want the best for the club and if this means putting our hand in our pocket then so be it

Yeah cos the club have unlimited funds don’t they
Doh!!!!

Posted: **Sat Jan 04, 2020 5:08 pm**

Ross could be making demands, for another job if things don't work out due to to it being only a 18 month contract?

Posted: **Sat Jan 04, 2020 5:31 pm**

If this is true then there is absolutely no incentive for Ross to make a success of the managerial role as he knows he will have a job at the club whatever happens. Increasingly we seem to be treating Ross as though he is some sort of messiah-like figure, an amalgamation of Klopp and Guardiola, rather than what he actually is which is an unproven manager with an absolutely shocking record.

Posted: **Sat Jan 04, 2020 5:35 pm**

We all know what the statement will say...it will say, Ross will be manager ( head coach) until the end of the season
It may have the interim word or it may not
Forget any ideas of a new experienced manager or Ling leaving..it aint happening, certainly not before the summer, if at all

Posted: **Sat Jan 04, 2020 5:37 pm**

Looking forward then to non league football again!

Posted: **Sat Jan 04, 2020 5:42 pm**

North Stand Dave wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:42 pm From what I've heard today its Ross & the club are offering him an 18 month contract.
The reason for the delay is because he wants it written in that if it doesn't work out & the club sack him he wants a guarantee that the club offer him another role within the club, that's why it wasn't announced sooner.
So maybe club not happy with that?
If True, Cake & Eat it comes to mind.

Also if that's the case we'll never ever get a decent experienced manager in Ross always want to be a coach/No.2 as with McMahon he took his No.2 to Dagenham with him.
Club best off letting Ross just do it until the end of the season if this is the case.

Ludicrous post, got to be the WUM of 2020 .
No owner in their right mind would allow that this to happen.

Posted: **Sat Jan 04, 2020 5:52 pm**

PoundhillO wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 5:42 pm
North Stand Dave wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:42 pm From what I've heard today its Ross & the club are offering him an 18 month contract.
The reason for the delay is because he wants it written in that if it doesn't work out & the club sack him he wants a guarantee that the club offer him another role within the club, that's why it wasn't announced sooner.
So maybe club not happy with that?
If True, Cake & Eat it comes to mind.

Also if that's the case we'll never ever get a decent experienced manager in Ross always want to be a coach/No.2 as with McMahon he took his No.2 to Dagenham with him.
Club best off letting Ross just do it until the end of the season if this is the case.
Ludicrous post, got to be the WUM of 2020 .
No owner in their right mind would allow that this to happen.

You wouldn't think so, but the owners have had weeks to deny this would be the case, and they've said absolutely nothing.

Much as Ross seems like a bloke you'd happily share a pint with, he's not a football manager and worse of all, even he knows it.

Posted: **Sat Jan 04, 2020 6:08 pm**

There's no two ways about it, we are in deep excreta. We have a shambles of a situation where nobody up top seems to know what they are doing. We have an "interim manager/coach with a record worse, or at least as good as, any team in the Barnet and
District Sunday League, along with a good few players who are just not up to the level of this division. Now, to cap it all off, the
idiots up top want to give an eighteen month contract to Embleton, a man with no record of managing in the EFL.
Great. I give up on this shower.

Posted: **Sat Jan 04, 2020 6:10 pm**

Chicken Dhansak wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 6:08 pm There's no two ways about it, we are in deep excreta. We have a shambles of a situation where nobody up top seems to know what they are doing. We have an "interim manager/coach with a record worse, or at least as good as, any team in the Barnet and
District Sunday League along with a good few players who are just not up to the level of this division. Now cap it all off, the idiots
up top want to give an eighteen month contract to Embleton, a man with no record of managing in the EFL.
Great. I give up on this shower.

It's all very disappointing. Carry on.

Posted: **Sat Jan 04, 2020 6:17 pm**

If they gave him until the end of this season to see how things pan out, I could understand it. I wouldn’t agree with it but I could understand it. We’re unlikely to get our sh*t together this season so promotion is out, we’re unlikely to go down especially now we have signed what appears to be a top keeper at this level, give him the rest of the season to cut his teeth.

If there are no signs of progress, which I don’t expect there to be, then bring someone in at the tail end of this season ready for next. And I could accept Ross dropping back down then.

But to give him 18 months and still the option of dropping back is bonkers. Lings mate or not, this ain’t a job for life.

Posted: **Sat Jan 04, 2020 6:21 pm**

If he wants another role within if it goes tits up, there's plenty of leaks in the East stand roof he can sort out! Please, don't let this be true!

Posted: **Sat Jan 04, 2020 6:58 pm**

Lucky7 I heard it from a very reliable source who up to now has been accurate on all other info but genuinely hope he's wrong on this one.
He told me 2 weeks before actual takeover about Travis.
Also told me that club actually approached Daryl McMahon being spoken to about taking charge before Ross given interim role.
Fletcher & Webb squaring up to each other when Fletcher told Webb no longer needed with 1st team.
Plus about past signings which have all materialised so he is reliable.
But as with me he is disgusted with with information as with many on here & the Leyton Orient Facebook this is a massive step backwards for the club.
How can a man who has said he DOESN'T want the position of Manger then ask for these conditions in his contract?
If he is that confident in his abilities he wouldn't need reassurances in his contact or about getting another job elsewhere in the event it doesn't work out.
As I say I really hope my sourse has heard wrong & the club announce that someone like Tisdale is appointed next week but unfortunately I cant see it.
I hope you all can text NSD got it wrong.

Posted: **Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:30 pm**

Update from Danny Macklin as to why the appointment has been delayed.

Posted: **Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:42 pm**

redintheface wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:30 pm Update from Danny Macklin as to why the appointment has been delayed.

Can't read it due to adblocker/Tracker stuff.

Should I be angry? If so, by how much?

Posted: **Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:45 pm**

Didn't really seem like that plan worked did it? We've been cack since Boxing Day.

Besides not announcing it wouldn't make much difference, people on the inside of the club would know what is going on.

Posted: **Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:47 pm**

I tend not to listen to DM
My Bullshit detector goes on overload when he speaks

Posted: **Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:49 pm**

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 3:02 pm
North Stand Dave wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:42 pm From what I've heard today its Ross & the club are offering him an 18 month contract.
The reason for the delay is because he wants it written in that if it doesn't work out & the club sack him he wants a guarantee that the club offer him another role within the club, that's why it wasn't announced sooner.
So maybe club not happy with that?
If True, Cake & Eat it comes to mind.

Also if that's the case we'll never ever get a decent experienced manager in Ross always want to be a coach/No.2 as with McMahon he took his No.2 to Dagenham with him.
Club best off letting Ross just do it until the end of the season if this is the case.
If this is true then the club is making a big mistake . The club had better back up Ross with some bloody good January signings or we could be in big trouble come the end of the season. Unfortunately Ross has already proven he isn't the man for the job so if he's offered an eighteen month contract as manager it would be complete and utter madness.

Posted: **Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:56 pm**

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:42 pm
redintheface wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:30 pm Update from Danny Macklin as to why the appointment has been delayed.

Can't read it due to adblocker/Tracker stuff.

Should I be angry? If so, by how much?

Can’t imagine you will be overly impressed Mr G!

Posted: **Sat Jan 04, 2020 8:15 pm**

I will always remember that Kent said when we announce the new manager you are all going to be surprised

I love surprises

So I expect a really big drum roll , the propaganda machine in full flow, flags and banners and the big announcement , and yes its

Carl Fletcher = what a surprise that would be
or
Sam Ling = Dof nomination what a surprise that would be
or
Steve Embleton = Global director and Rosses dad - keep it in the family what a surprise that would be

Just want to see Kent running up and down the gantry when we win at home - What a surprise that would be

Posted: **Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:16 pm**

They've made such a fuss about Ross being a key factor in the Vigouroux signing that I would be pretty surprised if we appointed anyone else. Why big him up in that way if you're planning on demoting him? Its Ross, lads. Get used to it.

Posted: **Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:48 pm**

Said it all along.

Posted: **Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:07 pm**

Eat The Rich wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:16 pm They've made such a fuss about Ross being a key factor in the Vigouroux signing that I would be pretty surprised if we appointed anyone else. Why big him up in that way if you're planning on demoting him? Its Ross, lads. Get used to it.

He hasn't been promoted. He's just an interim something or other so no demotion to follow.

He's the public face of the Club so he's a key factor in signing the goalkeep. Surprised Ling wasn't claiming it.

Posted: **Sun Jan 05, 2020 12:51 am**

We dont know that it is ross thats got the manager's job and another thing ross and webb will never be demoted as they were all part of justins staff, All i will say is we do need a proven manager of div1/2 if we are going to move forward.

Posted: **Sun Jan 05, 2020 9:28 am**

North Stand Dave wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 6:58 pm Lucky7 I heard it from a very reliable source who up to now has been accurate on all other info but genuinely hope he's wrong on this one.
He told me 2 weeks before actual takeover about Travis.
Also told me that club actually approached Daryl McMahon being spoken to about taking charge before Ross given interim role.
Fletcher & Webb squaring up to each other when Fletcher told Webb no longer needed with 1st team.
Plus about past signings which have all materialised so he is reliable.
But as with me he is disgusted with with information as with many on here & the Leyton Orient Facebook this is a massive step backwards for the club.
How can a man who has said he DOESN'T want the position of Manger then ask for these conditions in his contract?
If he is that confident in his abilities he wouldn't need reassurances in his contact or about getting another job elsewhere in the event it doesn't work out.
As I say I really hope my sourse has heard wrong & the club announce that someone like Tisdale is appointed next week but unfortunately I cant see it.
I hope you all can text NSD got it wrong.

I believe you fella, as much as I don’t want to.

I could have guessed it was Webby behind the fallout with Fletcher.

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