Independent Leyton Orient Forum

essexfootball wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2025 10:27 am The big issue teams will have, if you scout him, where do you play him, he has played right back pretty much for the last three months and his best football has come but I can't see many teams playing him there

Seen him play for Ireland a couple of times in various midfield roles and that's where anyone will be looking to play him.

The only reason he's playing at RB is because he's playing as an inverted RB so getting into midfield on the ball.

Agreed he can obviously play midfield but most teams if you're paying two mil for a RB who is a cm, where are you going to play him? Unless your full backs invert too, then it's a natural fit

His best football by far has come at RB, he was good in midfield but in the last few months have gone up a level, for me personally honestly Donley is the better player in the AM position, i think teams will be a little cautious where they fit him in

Richie has found a great role for him but that doesn't mean another manager will, even more so at a higher level, I know we rate him but that doesn't mean his new club will. You stick him in a Championship team that already have good midfielders,he might be on the bench or not even that, look at El Miz now on the bench, never coming on but here was highly rated

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2025 10:39 am

essexfootball wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2025 10:27 am The big issue teams will have, if you scout him, where do you play him, he has played right back pretty much for the last three months and his best football has come but I can't see many teams playing him there

Seen him play for Ireland a couple of times in various midfield roles and that's where anyone will be looking to play him.

The only reason he's playing at RB is because he's playing as an inverted RB so getting into midfield on the ball.

" inverted right back" but plays in midfield. FFS!

The inverted right back is technically a midfielder in possession of the ball, out of possession they fall back into the right back role. Best way to describe his role here.

Ability wise he is one of the best players I have ever seen grace an Orient shirt, fantastic footballer and I hope we manage to keep him however unlikely that is

So a right back who often strays out of position into the middle sector of the playing pitch. Got it.

A right back who moves into the centre when his team has possession linking with the attack and creating an extra man for overload and possession based football.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2025 11:08 am So a right back who often strays out of position into the middle sector of the playing pitch. Got it.

Pretty much nailed it.

So a midfielder who often looses his bearings on the soccerfield.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2025 11:15 am

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2025 11:08 am So a right back who often strays out of position into the middle sector of the playing pitch. Got it.

Pretty much nailed it.

Was it Pep that invented this ‘position ‘ , or another top coach ??

No idea - Trent AA is the one that made it popular but don’t know the origin

I'm sure Kevin Hales managed this way before Pep or AA. Derek Downing to on the left & there was Mr Rofe doing it 50 years ago.

a wing back?

Cheshunto wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2025 12:22 pm

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2025 11:15 am

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2025 11:08 am So a right back who often strays out of position into the middle sector of the playing pitch. Got it.

Pretty much nailed it.

Was it Pep that invented this ‘position ‘ , or another top coach ??

Johann Cruyff. Like all these things it’s been around for years but it’s now fashionable to actually understand what you are watching!

Beradogs wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2025 12:44 pm

Cheshunto wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2025 12:22 pm

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2025 11:15 am

Pretty much nailed it.

Was it Pep that invented this ‘position ‘ , or another top coach ??

Johann Cruyff. Like all these things it’s been around for years but it’s now fashionable to actually understand what you are watching!

Sure Madrid in the 60s, Hungary 50s were all doing it. Nbew words for the same way, albeit with far superior athleticism now.

Beradogs wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2025 12:44 pm

Cheshunto wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2025 12:22 pm

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2025 11:15 am

Pretty much nailed it.

Was it Pep that invented this ‘position ‘ , or another top coach ??

Johann Cruyff. Like all these things it’s been around for years but it’s now fashionable to actually understand what you are watching!

Bullshit. I think you oldies are talking about the old fashioned OVERLAP on the outside.

I played a half decent standard in the early - mid 90s and it was always 4-4-2. I can distinctly remember 3-5-2 becoming a thing - probably around 92 - and it frying our tiny minds.

Inverted full backs, rotations and overloads were never a thing.

TJ was playing the inverted full-back role at the start of last season. He weighed in with a couple of early goals because he wasn't being picked up by the opposition.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2025 1:57 pm

Beradogs wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2025 12:44 pm

Cheshunto wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2025 12:22 pm

Was it Pep that invented this ‘position ‘ , or another top coach ??

Johann Cruyff. Like all these things it’s been around for years but it’s now fashionable to actually understand what you are watching!

Bullshit. I think you oldies are talking about the old fashioned OVERLAP on the outside.

I played a half decent standard in the early - mid 90s and it was always 4-4-2. I can distinctly remember 3-5-2 becoming a thing - probably around 92 - and it frying our tiny minds.

Inverted full backs, rotations and overloads were never a thing.

"Inverted full backs, rotations and overloads were never a thing".

You forgot the false nine, the holding midfielder, goalkeeps who are forced to use their feet and dribble.

Football is now unrecognisable from the days when I was playing in teams that thrashed Cologne FC and the fiesty and angry Possil YM.

What decent level did you play at?

MBXI - scored what proved to be the winner against kieths BOFC in a 3-2 win. Halcyon days.

I thought you played for Accounting Errors FC in the Essex Bookkeepers League.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2025 2:31 pm MBXI - scored what proved to be the winner against kieths BOFC in a 3-2 win. Halcyon days.

I could have sworn that match proved there were no winners on the day.

Wally Banter wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2025 2:44 pm

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2025 2:31 pm MBXI - scored what proved to be the winner against kieths BOFC in a 3-2 win. Halcyon days.

I could have sworn that match proved there were no winners on the day.

You could be right - I might have been talking about the time I was called up from the MBXI to play for LOFT against kieths bobfoc and scored the decisive goal in a 3-2 victory?