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I just don't get what Wellens see's in Kelman. Up top he's just below average, and out wide he's well below average.

Up til the goal I was aghast at how inept Happe seems to have become. He was doing a more than passable impersonation of Cooper in the first half

PKM wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2024 1:12 pm Agree, Currie looks a great player
We’re lacking fire power

Agreed. Only once did he lose possession / get caught out against a real handful. A lesser players would have been murdered by Malik.

DrWindy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2024 11:52 pm

Orient_Man_And_Boy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2024 7:05 pm If the ref was so great, why did we see play halted twice for non-head-injuries? The game continues until the ball is out of play or another incident halts it.

Or has some woke numpty changed the Laws?

I don’t think anyone said he was great. I agree with you. Just thought he didn’t give many fouls for diving and falling over.

Someone said he was the best ref we’ve had.

ContrifibulatoryFred wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 6:25 am Up til the goal I was aghast at how inept Happe seems to have become. He was doing a more than passable impersonation of Cooper in the first half

He was also very wobbly in possession on Saturday. Maybe he’s not fully over the ‘concussion’ that kept him out for weeks.

DrWindy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2024 11:46 pm

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2024 1:42 pm Kelman needs resting and would be an impact sub. The reality is, if he wasn’t Richie’s pet project he wouldn’t be starting. Problem is we have no real options. Playing Obeiro might be the only one but it’s not a perfect fit. He give you something different though

Kelman is a work horse not unlike Ruel.

I think he really needs to work on his aerial ability. He seems to spend so much effort backing and jumping into his marker. I think if he jumped for the ball now and then he actually might win a few headers…..

He’s five foot eight. He’s never, ever going to win a header against your average 6 foot plus centre half. Never.

He’s not trying to win the header. He’s trying to stop them winning it cleanly, forcing an error from them.

For what it's worth, below are our ratings as per the Rotherham Advertiser ...........

Orient (4-2-3-1): Josh Keeley 6; Tom James 7, Omar Beckles 7, Dan Happe 7, Jack Currie 7; Darren Pratley 6 (Dom Ball 81), Jordan Brown 5; Charlie Kelman 5, Ethan Galbraith 5, Ollie O'Neill 6; Dan Agyei 5 (Jayden Sweeney 90+3)

EastDerehamO wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 9:12 am For what it's worth, below are our ratings as per the Rotherham Advertiser ...........

Orient (4-2-3-1): Josh Keeley 6; Tom James 7, Omar Beckles 7, Dan Happe 7, Jack Currie 7; Darren Pratley 6 (Dom Ball 81), Jordan Brown 5; Charlie Kelman 5, Ethan Galbraith 5, Ollie O'Neill 6; Dan Agyei 5 (Jayden Sweeney 90+3)

Sounds like a very Evans friendly set of ratings. All our defenders were so good keeping them at bay.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 7:27 am

DrWindy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2024 11:46 pm

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2024 1:42 pm Kelman needs resting and would be an impact sub. The reality is, if he wasn’t Richie’s pet project he wouldn’t be starting. Problem is we have no real options. Playing Obeiro might be the only one but it’s not a perfect fit. He give you something different though

Kelman is a work horse not unlike Ruel.

I think he really needs to work on his aerial ability. He seems to spend so much effort backing and jumping into his marker. I think if he jumped for the ball now and then he actually might win a few headers…..

He’s five foot eight. He’s never, ever going to win a header against your average 6 foot plus centre half. Never.

He’s not trying to win the header. He’s trying to stop them winning it cleanly, forcing an error from them.

You might be too young to remember, but Alan Hull was no more than 5’8” and won plenty of headers. He menaced the centre backs. I don’t recall him ever trying to back into his defender like Kelman. I don’t think I have seen him win possession using that tactic once. Maybe he should try something else?

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 7:23 am

DrWindy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2024 11:52 pm

Orient_Man_And_Boy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2024 7:05 pm If the ref was so great, why did we see play halted twice for non-head-injuries? The game continues until the ball is out of play or another incident halts it.

Or has some woke numpty changed the Laws?

I don’t think anyone said he was great. I agree with you. Just thought he didn’t give many fouls for diving and falling over.

Someone said he was the best ref we’ve had.

He probably is the best ref we have had for a while. That doesn’t necessarily mean he was great. Just better than the others……

Yes, I remember Alan Hull.

Yes, I’ve seen him stop defenders winning free headers with this tactic. It’s pretty routine and he’s not going to change it - Ruel used to have to do exactly the same.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 9:49 am Yes, I remember Alan Hull.

Yes, I’ve seen him stop defenders winning free headers with this tactic. It’s pretty routine and he’s not going to change it - Ruel used to have to do exactly the same.

Well I will bow down to your superior knowledge then as I am yet to see him win a header. Mark Hughes was brilliant at it. Kelman should try something else.

Write in and tell Richie mate

Alan Hull still occasionally comes to support the O's, saw him in the West stand last season.
He looked well and at least 5' 8 1/2"

Adz wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 12:14 am I just don't get what Wellens see's in Kelman. Up top he's just below average, and out wide he's well below average.

As mentioned elsewhere I would drop him to the bench and use him as a second half impact sub .

Funny how people see things, a 5 for Tom James & a 6 for Currie, yet both made League 1 team of the week

https://efl.com/news/2024/october/23/fi ... eague-one/

DrWindy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 9:53 am

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 9:49 am Yes, I remember Alan Hull.

Yes, I’ve seen him stop defenders winning free headers with this tactic. It’s pretty routine and he’s not going to change it - Ruel used to have to do exactly the same.

Well I will bow down to your superior knowledge then as I am yet to see him win a header. Mark Hughes was brilliant at it. Kelman should try something else.

Some people have better leaps than others, I guess? Scott McGleish springs to mind.

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:45 pm Some people have better leaps than others, I guess? Scott McGleish springs to mind.

Yup if we needed an aerial attack coach haven't seen anyone better at it than McGleish

Scott Mcleish really was a player.

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:45 pm

DrWindy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 9:53 am

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 9:49 am Yes, I remember Alan Hull.

Yes, I’ve seen him stop defenders winning free headers with this tactic. It’s pretty routine and he’s not going to change it - Ruel used to have to do exactly the same.

Well I will bow down to your superior knowledge then as I am yet to see him win a header. Mark Hughes was brilliant at it. Kelman should try something else.

Some people have better leaps than others, I guess? Scott McGleish springs to mind.

You’re absolutely right. McGleish was a fine player. I go right back to my original point. I have never seen Kelman jump let alone leap. Have a try Charlie.

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:45 pm

DrWindy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 9:53 am

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 9:49 am Yes, I remember Alan Hull.

Yes, I’ve seen him stop defenders winning free headers with this tactic. It’s pretty routine and he’s not going to change it - Ruel used to have to do exactly the same.

Well I will bow down to your superior knowledge then as I am yet to see him win a header. Mark Hughes was brilliant at it. Kelman should try something else.

Some people have better leaps than others, I guess? Scott McGleish springs to mind.

springs

DrWindy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 11:49 pm

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:45 pm

DrWindy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 9:53 am

Well I will bow down to your superior knowledge then as I am yet to see him win a header. Mark Hughes was brilliant at it. Kelman should try something else.

Some people have better leaps than others, I guess? Scott McGleish springs to mind.

You’re absolutely right. McGleish was a fine player. I go right back to my original point. I have never seen Kelman jump let alone leap. Have a try Charlie.

Have you written to Richie yet?

I was just thinking our set piece coach didn't work out too well , did it . We're fine with the coach's we've already got .

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2024 10:08 am

DrWindy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 11:49 pm

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:45 pm
Some people have better leaps than others, I guess? Scott McGleish springs to mind.

You’re absolutely right. McGleish was a fine player. I go right back to my original point. I have never seen Kelman jump let alone leap. Have a try Charlie.

Have you written to Richie yet?

You will be watching closely on Saturday

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2024 1:42 pm Kelman needs resting and would be an impact sub. The reality is, if he wasn’t Richie’s pet project he wouldn’t be starting. Problem is we have no real options. Playing Obeiro might be the only one but it’s not a perfect fit. He give you something different though

Good comment with some good ideas. IMO Obeiro is a good young player and also has an eye for goal, should feature in the team more often than he does at present. Also good point here ''Kelman needs resting and would be an impact sub. The reality is, if he wasn’t Richie’s pet project he wouldn’t be starting'' Yes seems like Kelman IS Richie's pet project, well put !!.