Independent Leyton Orient Forum

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 11:16 pm

Winchestorfan wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 11:00 pm If you don’t pay for streaming, watching it is illegal. If a match is not streamed in the uk but someone watches it in the uk using other methods, you are doing something illegal and effectively stealing from the club.if you want to watch a match that is not streamed in the uk the only legal way to watch it is to buy a ticket and attend the game in person.’ In which case’ watching it any other way is both theft and illegal.

What if you cover your tracks really well, don't get caught and even if you do deny it point blank. Is that still illegal?

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2023 11:40 am

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2023 11:33 am

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2023 11:30 am

27 years in sales and marketing !? You're no Reggie Perrin that much is true. Get out now man there's still time to have a life.

The job took me all over Europe and the Americas and enabled me to retire nearly 8 years ago in my mid 50's - thanks for the advice how's the cab driving going?.

Very well actually. Pandemic killed off a few drivers and some of the oldies panicked and retired. The rising costs have driven many out of the profession and our firm recently took over another local company.

The resulting Driver shortage has made it very busy and I can now be lazier than ever and work fewer hours for more money, plus I'm renting my cab out at the weekends in a side hustle. I reckon I will be in a position to retire comfortably by the time I get to 75.

Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2023 11:44 am

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 11:16 pm

Winchestorfan wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 11:00 pm If you don’t pay for streaming, watching it is illegal. If a match is not streamed in the uk but someone watches it in the uk using other methods, you are doing something illegal and effectively stealing from the club.if you want to watch a match that is not streamed in the uk the only legal way to watch it is to buy a ticket and attend the game in person.’ In which case’ watching it any other way is both theft and illegal.

What if you cover your tracks really well, don't get caught and even if you do deny it point blank. Is that still illegal?

Technically, it's only legal if you do it with a heavy heart. Otherwise you can expect a knock at the door from the rozzers.

Max Fowler wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 8:49 pm It is illegal to pay and watch via a VPN from within the UK.

oxo wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2023 12:41 pm

Max Fowler wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 8:49 pm It is illegal to pay and watch via a VPN from within the UK.

Are you sure? It's definitely against the terms of service, but I'm not convinced it's actually illegal. (I've not actually done it (yet).)

oxo wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2023 1:18 pm Having listened to the whole interview now, I think it was mostly pretty good.

I'm in the camp that thinks Nigel is earnest when he says he bought the club for emotional reasons rather than purely as an investment -- EFL teams are a money pit, he knows that as well as we do. His goal was to stablise the club and get us back into League 1, and the fact that the club has managed to do that within the 5-year timeframe is really impressive, I think.

The part about 'we need to make money' -- seems like he's talking about what the club would need if they were to make the next step up (ie Championship). He said that he's happy losing half a million a year -- that doesn't sound like somebody desperate to take money out of the club.

If the current owners can't afford to make the kind of losses that the average Championship club makes, we either need to stay put in League 1, improve our finances, or find new owners. For me, the current owners have proven themselves in terms of capability and responsibility, so at this stage I'd rather the improved finances route if it's possible.

I'd rather watch decent League 1 football for a few more seasons than overstretch, go bust, and have to find new ownership again. Stability and sustainability are really important.

Having said all that, I do personally feel he misjudged the tone at the end. I think the wording of his initial answer about getting down early and spending money was fine ("I encourage people to..."), but the way the second bit was put ("the fans need to do more") is a bit tone deaf. For a lot of people the cost of a matchday ticket is a massive chunk of whatever disposable income they have left after all the bills have gone up so drastically over here.

I'm still pleased we have owners who are willing to openly address fans' questions, though. It's not common.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2023 1:30 pm

oxo wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2023 1:18 pm Having listened to the whole interview now, I think it was mostly pretty good.

I'm in the camp that thinks Nigel is earnest when he says he bought the club for emotional reasons rather than purely as an investment -- EFL teams are a money pit, he knows that as well as we do. His goal was to stablise the club and get us back into League 1, and the fact that the club has managed to do that within the 5-year timeframe is really impressive, I think.

The part about 'we need to make money' -- seems like he's talking about what the club would need if they were to make the next step up (ie Championship). He said that he's happy losing half a million a year -- that doesn't sound like somebody desperate to take money out of the club.

If the current owners can't afford to make the kind of losses that the average Championship club makes, we either need to stay put in League 1, improve our finances, or find new owners. For me, the current owners have proven themselves in terms of capability and responsibility, so at this stage I'd rather the improved finances route if it's possible.

I'd rather watch decent League 1 football for a few more seasons than overstretch, go bust, and have to find new ownership again. Stability and sustainability are really important.

Having said all that, I do personally feel he misjudged the tone at the end. I think the wording of his initial answer about getting down early and spending money was fine ("I encourage people to..."), but the way the second bit was put ("the fans need to do more") is a bit tone deaf. For a lot of people the cost of a matchday ticket is a massive chunk of whatever disposable income they have left after all the bills have gone up so drastically over here.

I'm still pleased we have owners who are willing to openly address fans' questions, though. It's not common.

Thank you for a most informative post. Nigel touched a bit of a raw nerve and opened up an expensive can of worms for the Board to feast on.

He's in the "food" industry so has the knowledge and experience to take the honest customer feedback and consider what can be done to improve matters. Sometimes it's good to listen to the customer.

As regards his custodianship of the club, the team have completed a remarkable turnround and I for one am grateful for that.

As an emotionally driven fan Nigel will recognise how important it is to move the club over to fan ownership as his final legacy and act of kindness.