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Re: Beeb Gags Lineker
Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 10:39 am
by Max B Gold
Give it to Jabo wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 8:37 am
Like too many issues, this has turned to more or less pointless MB in-fighting.
And what is your problem with that caller?
Re: Beeb Gags Lineker
Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 11:05 am
by Rich Tea Wellin
Beradogs wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 10:17 am
They use the language because there are a rump of 10-15% of the population that float between the Tories and whatever hard right party are in vogue at the time. If the Tories can’t get them onboard they can’t win elections. It’s no different to Starmer who will take a knee and not define a women in deference to the left wing but in reality his flag is firmly planted in the centre ground. The issue with politics in this country is that floating voters in a tiny number of constituencies decide elections. Perhaps that’s not an issue. It keeps people like me well away from parliament.
Agree with what you say though.
No different?
What real world harm could be caused by taking the knee or not defining a woman?
The rhetoric of the right causes divisions and fuels hate. Which, although not directly connected to this bill, gives rise to anti semitism as well, like we are seeing in this country. It causes fear of others which has very real world impacts on those people and anyone else considered an ‘other’
Re: Beeb Gags Lineker
Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 11:12 am
by CEB
“ What real world harm could be caused by taking the knee or not defining a woman?”
Those examples aren’t equivalent.
The answers are
“None” and “lots” respectively
Re: Beeb Gags Lineker
Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 11:15 am
by Max B Gold
Oh oh!!
Re: Beeb Gags Lineker
Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 11:29 am
by Max Fowler
Guess who's back?
Back again.
Terfy's back.
Tell they/them.
Re: Beeb Gags Lineker
Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 11:32 am
by CEB
Heh. I don’t bring it up, but when there’s obvious nonsense I’ll put people right on the points on which they’re unsure…
Re: Beeb Gags Lineker
Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 11:41 am
by Long slender neck
Still havent posted any evidence of the 'comparable rhetoric used by Germany in the 1930's' though.
Re: Beeb Gags Lineker
Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 11:46 am
by CEB
That sounds a lot like you’re suggesting that you’re not aware of scaremongering rhetoric about immigration coming out of Germany in the 30s.
Re: Beeb Gags Lineker
Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 11:47 am
by Max Fowler
Suella on her bill to stop immigrants:
‘The vast majority were adult males under the age of 40, rich enough to pay criminal gangs thousands of pounds for passage'.
'By some counts there are 100million people around the world who could qualify for protection under our current laws.’
‘Waves of illegal arrivals breaching our borders’.
Re: Beeb Gags Lineker
Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 11:49 am
by CEB
TRUMP Plumbing wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 11:47 am
Suella on her bill to stop immigrants:
‘The vast majority were adult males under the age of 40, rich enough to pay criminal gangs thousands of pounds for passage'.
'By some counts there are 100million people around the world who could qualify for protection under our current laws.’
‘Waves of illegal arrivals breaching our borders’.
The weird thing is, Caca isn’t doubting that; instead he’s sceptical of claims that there was “not dissimilar” stuff in Germany in the thirties, which is a bit weird. “Prove that 1930s Germany was as hostile as this government” is certainly a bold approach…
Re: Beeb Gags Lineker
Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 11:56 am
by Long slender neck
I think it'd be useful to see an evidenced comparison. It'd be quite powerful to see or read a comparison. For example, did Hitler stand at a podium with 'stop the jews' emblazoned across it?
Linekers comments have been described on here as 'fact', so I dont know why you're reluctant to post the source to back that up. Politicians have since been in the press saying "I don't think anybody is defending that tweet"
Re: Beeb Gags Lineker
Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 11:57 am
by Long slender neck
CEB wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 11:49 am
TRUMP Plumbing wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 11:47 am
Suella on her bill to stop immigrants:
‘The vast majority were adult males under the age of 40, rich enough to pay criminal gangs thousands of pounds for passage'.
'By some counts there are 100million people around the world who could qualify for protection under our current laws.’
‘Waves of illegal arrivals breaching our borders’.
The weird thing is, Caca isn’t doubting that; instead he’s sceptical of claims that there was “not dissimilar” stuff in Germany in the thirties, which is a bit weird. “Prove that 1930s Germany was as hostile as this government” is certainly a bold approach…
No you've got it wrong, I think 1930's Germany was a lot worse, of course it was. So Lineker saying its 'comparable' is just not on.
Re: Beeb Gags Lineker
Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:09 pm
by CEB
So, to be clear, you’re looking for examples of rhetoric that’s less bad than the worst rhetoric?
Re: Beeb Gags Lineker
Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:13 pm
by Long slender neck
"comparable"
Are you now saying the rhetoric is not comparable?
Re: Beeb Gags Lineker
Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:18 pm
by CEB
I’m saying it *is* comparable. So it’s for you to find the examples of 1930s rhetoric from Germany that’s far worse than what Lineker drew attention to.
Re: Beeb Gags Lineker
Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:23 pm
by Long slender neck
Why would I hunt around for evidence to backup something you're saying? You're saying its comparable, you find the examples.
Re: Beeb Gags Lineker
Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:29 pm
by CEB
Why? I don’t actually care whether you agree. If you’re currently content to believe that Lineker’s comparison was inappropriate, that’s fine by me
Re: Beeb Gags Lineker
Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:31 pm
by Long slender neck
Its a shame you cant produce the facts to backup your claims. Looks like I won this one.
Re: Beeb Gags Lineker
Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:34 pm
by CEB
I guess so
Re: Beeb Gags Lineker
Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:38 pm
by Max B Gold
CEB wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 11:46 am
That sounds a lot like you’re suggesting that you’re not aware of scaremongering rhetoric about immigration coming out of Germany in the 30s.
It's worse than just hating immigrants and saying bad stuff about them. They started murdering their fellow Jerries!!
For 1930s anti immigrant and antisemitic evidence check out the RW UK press of the period.
Re: Beeb Gags Lineker
Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:13 pm
by StillSpike
Long slender neck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:31 pm
Its a shame you cant produce the facts to backup your claims. Looks like I won this one.
And that ^ - after all - is what
really matters these days.
Re: Beeb Gags Lineker
Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 2:07 pm
by Friend or fart
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Re: Beeb Gags Lineker
Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 2:13 pm
by Long slender neck
You really added to the conversation there, well done.
Re: Beeb Gags Lineker
Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 2:15 pm
by Max Fowler
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Re: Beeb Gags Lineker
Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 2:31 pm
by Gary's Big Brother
Seven now that I am a free man again bro.