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BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 2:11 pm

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 1:05 pm

Ski Sunday wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 9:58 am
You people definitely dont like Jews, its so damn obvious

So let me get this straight, Israel kills 30,000 unarmed civilians, around 12,000 of them children, then they starve the ones they didn't manage to murder, and anyone then says they don't like what Israel has done, that means they don't like Jews.... Is that correct?
Nothing to do with the genocide they've committed, is just they don't like Jews?

No. The anti-Jewish language is what makes it anti-semitic, although Jews are the only minority that have their definition of racism constantly questioned.

Can you give some examples of the anti Jewish language on this board?

Even better, report the posts so action can be taken against the perpetrators.

I’m a Catholic Jew, my favourite song is Oy Vey Maria

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 2:56 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 2:11 pm

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 1:05 pm

So let me get this straight, Israel kills 30,000 unarmed civilians, around 12,000 of them children, then they starve the ones they didn't manage to murder, and anyone then says they don't like what Israel has done, that means they don't like Jews.... Is that correct?
Nothing to do with the genocide they've committed, is just they don't like Jews?

No. The anti-Jewish language is what makes it anti-semitic, although Jews are the only minority that have their definition of racism constantly questioned.

Can you give some examples of the anti Jewish language on this board?

Even better, report the posts so action can be taken against the perpetrators.

I have pointed it out in the past in this thread and I’ve also reported it, which goes nowhere. I’m not going to trawl 90 pages.

There’s one. Unsurprisingly, its about ComeOnYouOs
viewtopic.php?p=369732#p369732

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 2:20 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 2:11 pm

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 1:05 pm

So let me get this straight, Israel kills 30,000 unarmed civilians, around 12,000 of them children, then they starve the ones they didn't manage to murder, and anyone then says they don't like what Israel has done, that means they don't like Jews.... Is that correct?
Nothing to do with the genocide they've committed, is just they don't like Jews?

No. The anti-Jewish language is what makes it anti-semitic, although Jews are the only minority that have their definition of racism constantly questioned.

The thing that fucks me off the most is the fact that anti-semitism is rife but its constantly diluted by people chucking it all in the same bucket as anti-zionism. Of course, some anti-zionists are also anti-semitic but by shouting down any criticism of israel as anti-semitic you muddle what is actual anti-semitism and when it should be called out. Every time someone says that something anti-zionist is anti-semitic they empower actual anti-semites and make it more likely that i'll be abused for being a jew.

Some people do throw racism accusations around to silence people, it happens all the time. Much in the way it has become a common opinion that black on white racism can’t exist because there isn’t a history of oppression. There are people who will call any criticism of Israel (wrongly) as anti-semitic. There are also people who will use anti-semitic tropes to support their anti-Israel arguments.

There’s a complete lack of nuance, as Hoover has demonstrated.

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 4:42 pm

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 2:56 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 2:11 pm
No. The anti-Jewish language is what makes it anti-semitic, although Jews are the only minority that have their definition of racism constantly questioned.

Can you give some examples of the anti Jewish language on this board?

Even better, report the posts so action can be taken against the perpetrators.

I have pointed it out in the past in this thread and I’ve also reported it, which goes nowhere. I’m not going to trawl 90 pages.

There’s one. Unsurprisingly, its about ComeOnYouOs
viewtopic.php?p=369732#p369732

Comparing bad people to Hitler is not anti-semitic.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 5:07 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 4:42 pm

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 2:56 pm

Can you give some examples of the anti Jewish language on this board?

Even better, report the posts so action can be taken against the perpetrators.

I have pointed it out in the past in this thread and I’ve also reported it, which goes nowhere. I’m not going to trawl 90 pages.

There’s one. Unsurprisingly, its about ComeOnYouOs
viewtopic.php?p=369732#p369732

Comparing bad people to Hitler is not anti-semitic.

Unfortunately for you, comparing a Jewish man to someone who murdered millions of Jews, is. There are many examples to be used but using Hitler and the Nazis is anti-semitic.

Unless you can point me in the direction of all the gas chambers, mass burnings and graves that show no disregard to their religious beliefs. Point me in the direction of concentration camps. Can also let me know what other minorities in Israel are treated like, seeing as Hitler disn’t just stop at Jews.

I'm not sure if you've noticed but comparing bad people to Hitler has been pretty common on the internet since forever.

Yes it's lazy, no it's not anti-semitic.

Any other examples for us to discuss?

It’s literally in the working definition of antisemitism, so yeah it kind of is

In which case I take it back and will resign my tory party membership immediately. I promise never to refer to a bad person as Hitler again.

It’s comparing the policies of modern day Israel to that of the Nazis which is racist

But you knew that

Can I keep my membership or not?

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 6:46 pm Can I keep my membership or not?

Yes, but you’ve got to do an apology video square on to camera and say sorry for defending cranks.

Also don’t forget to say that you’ve been on a “journey” and “learnt from the experience” since you were educated on the working definition of antisemitism

He should also be grateful that he's self-employed. As otherwise we'd have had no choice but to bombard his employer with demands that he be sacked.

Still, we can go after his clients instead.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 6:42 pm

In which case I take it back and will resign my tory party membership immediately. I promise never to refer to a bad person as Hitler again.

None of this works if people don’t show contrition or willingness to change.

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 6:52 pm

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 6:46 pm Can I keep my membership or not?

Yes, but you’ve got to do an apology video square on to camera

Awkward.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 7:13 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 6:52 pm

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 6:46 pm Can I keep my membership or not?

Yes, but you’ve got to do an apology video square on to camera

Awkward.

Underrated post

Thank you. Self-defrecation is my forte.

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Can’t you just list the “falsehoods” so I don’t have to watch some video made by the Qatari state who are housing the Hamas leadership please?

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 8:05 pm Can’t you just list the “falsehoods” so I don’t have to watch some video made by the Qatari state who are housing the Hamas leadership please?

Better still watch it and then come back to this thread and advise us of them. Always the man never the ball.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 11:25 pm Better still watch it and then come back to this thread and advise us of them. Always the man never the ball.

It's a slick piece of Hamas propaganda presented as "investigative journalism".

I don't doubt that some Israelis were killed by the IDF, and that there were serious intelligence failings, but Ian Fraser's claims that the video "corrects the record" about what happened on October 7th and that the British media has "failed the public" is ridiculous.

Dr. Bassem Naim, Member of Hamas Political Bureau - "There is no proof of any rapes on October 7th. Based on our culture, our beliefs, it is impossible for it to have happened".

Yeah, right.

I've read bbc and guardian articles detailing the sexual violence of that day.

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2024 6:37 pm I've read bbc and guardian articles detailing the sexual violence of that day.

Well done.

Have you read anything since then in the Guardian or BBC that questions the sources used to compile their reports and how they have been largely discredited?

No, if you've seen something please share.