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Re: Russia / Ukraine Watch
Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 8:51 am
by Dunners
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2023 12:27 pm
Dunners wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2023 10:30 am
Seems reasonable enough.
You just wait until China find out.
Something tells me that China is about to have enough of its own problems to worry about.
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Re: Russia / Ukraine Watch
Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2024 6:18 pm
by Proposition Joe
Re: Russia / Ukraine Watch
Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2024 11:48 pm
by E10EU
For Putin it's not just about the regions of Ukraine that he is currently claiming as Russian territory. Interestingly, they all cut off (strangling) Ukraine's sea and therefore major trading routes access.
But his real intentions are about a deeper and longer term process
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namely wiping out Ukraine's existence and identity
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/ ... n-children
His 'mission' is not yet accomplished, so he has determined that he will be 'elected' again till 2030.
And Trump thinks they are 'mates' (and Farage loves Trump).
God help us!
Re: Russia / Ukraine Watch
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:46 am
by Long slender neck
Navalny dead.
Re: Russia / Ukraine Watch
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:49 am
by Dunners
Must have slipped in the shower and fell on some bullets.
Re: Russia / Ukraine Watch
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:50 am
by Long slender neck
What will the reaction in Russia be?
Re: Russia / Ukraine Watch
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:51 am
by Dunners
Nothing of significance.
Re: Russia / Ukraine Watch
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:52 am
by RedDwarf 1881
Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:49 am
Must have slipped in the shower and fell on some bullets.
It would make a change from taking a nose dive out of the 18th floor window
Re: Russia / Ukraine Watch
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:55 am
by RedDwarf 1881
Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:51 am
Nothing of significance.
On the surface , no but I still think it will be felt by ordinary Russian people in the street .
Re: Russia / Ukraine Watch
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:57 am
by Long slender neck
For humanity's sake Russians, rise up!
Re: Russia / Ukraine Watch
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:11 pm
by Chicken Dhansak
It didn't take Putin long to get rid of the leader of the Wagner Group after he'd gone up against the tyrant.
Re: Russia / Ukraine Watch
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:22 pm
by Mistadobalina
Makes sod all difference to anything sadly.
Pretty terrifying backdrop to this though. Russia now into full on war economy mode and Europe belatedly realising it's on its own if/when Trump gets elected. Those warnings about Russia not finishing with Ukraine start to look a lot more real once America checks out of NATO.
Re: Russia / Ukraine Watch
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:49 pm
by Dunners
The much-fabled western military-industrial complex has so far failed to come up with the volume of goods required in war time. And US exports of LNG was never going to compensate Germany for the loss of Russian pipeline gas, which is now deindustrialising at an alarming rate. Europe's future is looking increasingly bleak.
Re: Russia / Ukraine Watch
Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2024 5:30 pm
by Max B Gold
The forgotten war nears its inevitable end. Poland next.
Re: Russia / Ukraine Watch
Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2024 5:52 pm
by Dunners
Nah, I reckon Lithuania before Poland.
Re: Russia / Ukraine Watch
Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:29 am
by RedDwarf 1881
Dunners wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 5:52 pm
Nah, I reckon Lithuania before Poland.
Does it matter which because if Russia attacks any NATO country we’re all involved and hello WW3
Re: Russia / Ukraine Watch
Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2024 10:12 am
by Dunners
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:29 am
Dunners wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 5:52 pm
Nah, I reckon Lithuania before Poland.
Does it matter which because if Russia attacks any NATO country we’re all involved and hello WW3
Yes.
If Ukraine does fall and if Russia is to eventually extend its reach beyond that border, then it would most likely be to form a land bridge between Belarus and Kaliningrad - the so-called Suwalki gap. And that means invading one of two possible countries - Poland or Lithuania.
Poland is getting itself armed to the teeth, so any Russian incursion will be met with a painful counterpunch. And, would almost certainly result in a NATO response. I also think think that if Poland thinks that is even a remote possibility, it it has the political and economic muscle to quickly acquire a nuke.
Lithuania, while a member of NATO, could be slightly different. It is certainly less of an economic and military opponent than Poland. It is more feasible that Putin would continue to try and sow division throughout Europe and to further undermine NATO collectiveness. And then, possibly, launch a ridiculously small incursion and occupy a tiny bit of Lithuanian forest on the border.
Technically, this would be an invasion, and Lithuania would want a response. But would NATO vote to invoke Article 5 and launch an all-out war on Russia, with all the risk that entails, just for a few square meters of useless forest? Possibly, but possibly not.
If it looked like NATO was going to respond, then Russia could quickly withdraw and de-escalate the situation. If NATO didn't respond, then that would pretty much spell its end, and the rest of the world would react accordingly. So my money is on Lithuania.
Re: Russia / Ukraine Watch
Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2024 10:16 am
by Proposition Joe
Definitely this. In the current climate - and perhaps even more so later this year/early 2025 if Trump wins - I can easily see Russia calculating that NATO won't go all in if part, or all, of Lithuania was snatched. Poland would probably be a different kettle of fish.
Re: Russia / Ukraine Watch
Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2024 10:17 am
by CEB
Well that’s a cheery post
Re: Russia / Ukraine Watch
Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2024 10:18 am
by Friend or faux
I wonder if Farage is a Russian agent? Brexit has been quickly followed by Moscow flexing it's muscles.
Re: Russia / Ukraine Watch
Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2024 10:20 am
by Dunners
CEB wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 10:17 am
Well that’s a cheery post
Oh, I can throw down a lot more doom'n'gloom than that. The future is looking quite terrifying right now.
Re: Russia / Ukraine Watch
Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2024 10:24 am
by RedDwarf 1881
Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 10:12 am
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:29 am
Dunners wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 5:52 pm
Nah, I reckon Lithuania before Poland.
Does it matter which because if Russia attacks any NATO country we’re all involved and hello WW3
Yes.
If Ukraine does fall and if Russia is to eventually extend its reach beyond that border, then it would most likely be to form a land bridge between Belarus and Kaliningrad - the so-called Suwalki gap. And that means invading one of two possible countries - Poland or Lithuania.
Poland is getting itself armed to the teeth, so any Russian incursion will be met with a painful counterpunch. And, would almost certainly result in a NATO response. I also think think that if Poland thinks that is even a remote possibility, it it has the political and economic muscle to quickly acquire a nuke.
Lithuania, while a member of NATO, could be slightly different. It is certainly less of an economic and military opponent than Poland. It is more feasible that Putin would continue to try and sow division throughout Europe and to further undermine NATO collectiveness. And then, possibly, launch a ridiculously small incursion and occupy a tiny bit of Lithuanian forest on the border.
Technically, this would be an invasion, and Lithuania would want a response. But would NATO vote to invoke Article 5 and launch an all-out war on Russia, with all the risk that entails, just for a few square meters of useless forest? Possibly, but possibly not.
If it looked like NATO was going to respond, then Russia could quickly withdraw and de-escalate the situation. If NATO didn't respond, then that would pretty much spell its end, and the rest of the world would react accordingly. So my money is on Lithuania.
That would be an extremely risky move by Russia. In my opinion the risk wouldn’t be worth it.
Re: Russia / Ukraine Watch
Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2024 10:27 am
by RedDwarf 1881
Friend or faux wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 10:18 am
I wonder if Farage is a Russian agent? Brexit has been quickly followed by Moscow flexing it's muscles.
Its a bit too early to be drinking, isn’t it?
Re: Russia / Ukraine Watch
Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2024 10:29 am
by RedDwarf 1881
Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 10:20 am
CEB wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 10:17 am
Well that’s a cheery post
Oh, I can throw down a lot more doom'n'gloom than that. The future is looking quite terrifying right now.
Indeed, it’s not looking good.
Re: Russia / Ukraine Watch
Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2024 10:33 am
by Dunners
I mean, just look that that bit sticking out. It's practically begging for it.
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