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Max B Gold wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:15 pm

Beradogs wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:02 pm The problem is that for the liberal left no number is high enough. That’s all fine but then you are moving all these people up the income scale without any mention of the associated negative effects on the environment. The greens a good example of wanting an unlimited amount of people in this country while at the same time wanting bluebell woods, wild flower meadows and swatches of green and pleasant land. Makes no sense. Where are they all going to live never mind the fact they will all become rabid consumers.

Except its not the consumption levels of the poor that is creating environmental disaster. Its the corporations and the rich.

Yeah but a few poor sods in dinghys are easier to blame innit?

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:15 pm

Beradogs wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:02 pm The problem is that for the liberal left no number is high enough. That’s all fine but then you are moving all these people up the income scale without any mention of the associated negative effects on the environment. The greens a good example of wanting an unlimited amount of people in this country while at the same time wanting bluebell woods, wild flower meadows and swatches of green and pleasant land. Makes no sense. Where are they all going to live never mind the fact they will all become rabid consumers.

Except its not the consumption levels of the poor that is creating environmental disaster. Its the corporations and the rich.

Hes saying you're creating more rich people though.

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 6:48 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:15 pm

Beradogs wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:02 pm The problem is that for the liberal left no number is high enough. That’s all fine but then you are moving all these people up the income scale without any mention of the associated negative effects on the environment. The greens a good example of wanting an unlimited amount of people in this country while at the same time wanting bluebell woods, wild flower meadows and swatches of green and pleasant land. Makes no sense. Where are they all going to live never mind the fact they will all become rabid consumers.

Except its not the consumption levels of the poor that is creating environmental disaster. Its the corporations and the rich.

Hes saying you're creating more rich people though.

Only the aimmigrants will become Rich

The increasing numbers of Lazy Nationalists
will just get fat & moan about the bloody immigrunts again .

They arent prepared to work hard .
They are happy with there lot of being from here already

Beradogs wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:02 pm The problem is that for the liberal left no number is high enough. That’s all fine but then you are moving all these people up the income scale without any mention of the associated negative effects on the environment. The greens a good example of wanting an unlimited amount of people in this country while at the same time wanting bluebell woods, wild flower meadows and swatches of green and pleasant land. Makes no sense. Where are they all going to live never mind the fact they will all become rabid consumers.

Hang on, I thought the loony left wanted to drag everyone down, not up?

Not the foreigners of course

40000 asylum seekers housed by local authorities. Don't know how they are doing this, are these people jumping the queue?

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:15 pm

Beradogs wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:02 pm The problem is that for the liberal left no number is high enough. That’s all fine but then you are moving all these people up the income scale without any mention of the associated negative effects on the environment. The greens a good example of wanting an unlimited amount of people in this country while at the same time wanting bluebell woods, wild flower meadows and swatches of green and pleasant land. Makes no sense. Where are they all going to live never mind the fact they will all become rabid consumers.

Except its not the consumption levels of the poor that is creating environmental disaster. Its the corporations and the rich.

It is the consumption levels of the poor as much as the rich. They are the group buying the crap ,cheap burgers from McDonald’s , made from cheap South American beef cattle that are roaming the the pastures that were once species rich rain forest . They are the ones eating the crap processed food full of palm oil planted on the farms covering areas that were once species rich rain forest.
We are all equally to blame

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:29 pm 40000 asylum seekers housed by local authorities. Don't know how they are doing this, are these people jumping the queue?

Not sure where you get your 40,000 from but to be clear, asylum seekers spend their time in temporary accommodation of various sh*ttiness until their claims are dealt with. SERCO and a couple of other companies have the contract, worth £4 billion (nice little earner). If appeals are successful they are housed outside London and the SE so the WUM's on here don't need to worry about a johnny foreigner turning up as their next door neighbour. But hey ho, lets concentrate on the poor sods coming off the boats rather than companies like SERCO who have done very well under this government.

I told you, from the guardian article YOU posted. Got any evidence they're all in temporary accommodation? (whatever that is)

George wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:05 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:15 pm

Beradogs wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:02 pm The problem is that for the liberal left no number is high enough. That’s all fine but then you are moving all these people up the income scale without any mention of the associated negative effects on the environment. The greens a good example of wanting an unlimited amount of people in this country while at the same time wanting bluebell woods, wild flower meadows and swatches of green and pleasant land. Makes no sense. Where are they all going to live never mind the fact they will all become rabid consumers.

Except its not the consumption levels of the poor that is creating environmental disaster. Its the corporations and the rich.

It is the consumption levels of the poor as much as the rich. They are the group buying the crap ,cheap burgers from McDonald’s , made from cheap South American beef cattle that are roaming the the pastures that were once species rich rain forest . They are the ones eating the crap processed food full of palm oil planted on the farms covering areas that were once species rich rain forest.
We are all equally to blame

Pretty sure McDonalds use uk and Irish beef.

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:23 pm

George wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:05 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:15 pm

Except its not the consumption levels of the poor that is creating environmental disaster. Its the corporations and the rich.

It is the consumption levels of the poor as much as the rich. They are the group buying the crap ,cheap burgers from McDonald’s , made from cheap South American beef cattle that are roaming the the pastures that were once species rich rain forest . They are the ones eating the crap processed food full of palm oil planted on the farms covering areas that were once species rich rain forest.
We are all equally to blame

Pretty sure McDonalds use uk and Irish beef.

They would say that.

But it’s naive to suggest that all of the blame should lie with the rich.

George wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:39 pm But it’s naive to suggest that all of the blame should lie with the rich.

Not all the blame lies with the 1%, of course. Maybe about 99% of it.

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:17 pm

George wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:39 pm But it’s naive to suggest that all of the blame should lie with the rich.

It all the blame lies with the 1%, of course. Maybe about 99% of it.

Sorry , no idea what that means

Not, not it.

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:22 pm I told you, from the guardian article YOU posted. Got any evidence they're all in temporary accommodation? (whatever that is)

You do know being a WUM and a bore are pretty much the same thing. The clue is in the title Asylum SEEKER, why would SERCO offer an assured tenancy to somebody SEEKING asylum.

"People who apply for asylum support are provided with temporary accommodation (‘initial accommodation’) under section 98 of the 1999 Act whilst their eligibility for further asylum support is assessed."

https://researchbriefings.files.parliam ... N01909.pdf (yeh I know it's 35 pages long but at some point in your life you might want to stop being a gadfly and gen up on a subject, rather than firing questions).

Do they get a council house, yes or no?

Once their initial (paid for) temporary accommodation is up (3-4 weeks, sometimes longer if demand is at a peak) they are housed in houses and flats by the council yes.

Page 10 Mr Pevans

If the asylum support application is granted, support is then provided
under section 95 of the 1999 Act. Section 95 support is usually provided
in the form of furnished flats or houses (‘dispersal accommodation’)

Interesting document actually.

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:56 pm Page 10 Mr Pevans

If the asylum support application is granted, support is then provided
under section 95 of the 1999 Act. Section 95 support is usually provided
in the form of furnished flats or houses (‘dispersal accommodation’)

So glad I got to tear you away from your Marvel comics and actually read up on a subject. You truncated the sentence which went on to say

"away from London and the South-East, as per the longstanding dispersal policy. Single adults are allocated shared accommodation; those of the same sex might be expected to share bedrooms."

So it is safe to say that asylum seekers are coming to this country and taking all of our "shared accommodation" and "shared bedrooms" in run down parts of the country. My wife gets calls from SERCO about accommodation for people on the resettlement programme (i.e. have leave to remain). The parts of Liverpool that they have available are in areas that have a history of racism and ASB. Her job is to liaise with the police to double check whether the area is appropriate and more often than not the police view is no. SERCO (£4 billion) still house the new arrivals in these areas. Milk and honey, my arse!

Not into marvel and their 'theme park' movies. I know you are some sort of dimwitted professor, but you don't have to be such a snob.

Are there no families or couples seeking asylum then? Free accommodation and no bills is still a massive draw.

Do they still get free accommodation once they have leave to remain?

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:56 pm Page 10 Mr Pevans

If the asylum support application is granted, support is then provided
under section 95 of the 1999 Act. Section 95 support is usually provided
in the form of furnished flats or houses (‘dispersal accommodation’)

Im pretty sure PW has siad they dont get council homes
( Basically there are none , other than those that may
still be occupied ) .

To quote the document

" Three private sector companies are currently responsible for providing
accommodation to asylum seekers. Their 10-year Home Office contracts
began in September 2019 and have an approximate total value of £4
billion. The companies have their own networks of sub-contractors".



Lots of Hotels were taken over during covid .

Some were specifically for EU & UK citizens
some were for Non EU

Ibis At the Bakers arms for example became a Non EU
temporary base for some . Not sure if it still is .

Many immigrants who illegally enter the UK will do so from the EU, and we can take a look at what is happening there to see emerging patterns.

The number of migrants attempting illegal border crossings into the EU has increased almost everywhere from last year (64%), with the exception of the Eastern Mediterranean. I was surprised by the number trying to reach the Canary Islands, as that is a dangerous sea crossing and if you miss your target you're unlikely to be rescued.



According to this, the top three nationalities crossing into the EU were Tunisian, Bangladeshi and Egyptian. These, and the rest, are all from a variety of states which can be described as either 'failed' or subject to harsh environmental conditions.



That's the trend folks. That list is only likely to increase, and the world is probably going to increasingly divide into good and sh*t places to live, with little in-between and next to no hope of a sh*t place being able to reverse its fortunes. Immigration is going to be largely in one direction and will most probably increase year-on-year for the foreseeable future.

Ideally, both the EU and the UK would debate, negotiate, agree and settle on immigration and border policies (whatever they may be) that factor in immigration rates increasing, year-on-year, at a rate of over 50%. However, I have little faith in either party being capable of doing that right now. So the lack of a joined-up approach will only add to the mess.

Once again, thank your lucky stars that you're already here.


Source: https://frontex.europa.eu/media-centre/ ... ise-INlG3B

Did not expect those top three nationalities. Thought it was all countries we had ruined like Iraq, Iran etc.