Independent Leyton Orient Forum

Max Fowler wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 1:46 pm

LittleMate wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 1:39 pm
I agree with the "cool Leyton" thing. Nigel said they were meeting the council and hopefully the club can impress upon them what we bring to the table in making the High Road a more viable entity. The food and drink outlets would not be here in such numbers if it were not for the clubs support. I doubt it will influence the councillors enough to invest - but we should at the very least be making the point.

Agreed they should be making that point to the councillors to get them to give our Investors some money.

Just don't mention in that meeting that they're going to try and stop us spending our money on the high street.

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 2:17 pm You can get Deeneys toasties in the cafe at the William Morris Gallery too so, if we're talking about them for argument's sake, it's clearly not impossible to work in conjunction for a business like that. But appreciate 'not impossible' might need an asterisk related to pre-existing licensing agreements etc.

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 2:21 pm

Max Fowler wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 1:46 pm

LittleMate wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 1:39 pm
I agree with the "cool Leyton" thing. Nigel said they were meeting the council and hopefully the club can impress upon them what we bring to the table in making the High Road a more viable entity. The food and drink outlets would not be here in such numbers if it were not for the clubs support. I doubt it will influence the councillors enough to invest - but we should at the very least be making the point.

Agreed they should be making that point to the councillors to get them to give our Investors some money.

Just don't mention in that meeting that they're going to try and stop us spending our money on the high street.

Any move would almost certainly be tied into a housing project in the Leyton area, ala Brentford and Wimbledon. The arm twisting will be to act as a broker for that sort of partnership with a developer and weaken or adjust some of the 'asks' they'd normally make of a large scale new housing project.

I doubt they'll be asking for direct financial contributions or loans, Council's are becoming very risk adverse after recent bankruptcies and scandals like what happened with Northampton (who's council would up 10.25m out of pocket then went bust).

CEB wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 2:32 pm

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 2:17 pm You can get Deeneys toasties in the cafe at the William Morris Gallery too so, if we're talking about them for argument's sake, it's clearly not impossible to work in conjunction for a business like that. But appreciate 'not impossible' might need an asterisk related to pre-existing licensing agreements etc.

There goes my weight loss regime. THANKS

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 2:21 pm I doubt they'll be asking for direct financial contributions or loans, Council's are becoming very risk adverse after recent bankruptcies and scandals like what happened with Northampton (who's council would up 10.25m out of pocket then went bust).

Dunners wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 2:44 pm

CEB wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 2:32 pm

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 2:17 pm You can get Deeneys toasties in the cafe at the William Morris Gallery too so, if we're talking about them for argument's sake, it's clearly not impossible to work in conjunction for a business like that. But appreciate 'not impossible' might need an asterisk related to pre-existing licensing agreements etc.

There goes my weight loss regime. THANKS

Fear not, you can mitigate the risk by simply staying away from Orient and going to Spurs instead.

Max Fowler wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 2:46 pm

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 2:21 pm I doubt they'll be asking for direct financial contributions or loans, Council's are becoming very risk adverse after recent bankruptcies and scandals like what happened with Northampton (who's council would up 10.25m out of pocket then went bust).

In the interview, I'm pretty sure it was stated that Wrexham received £17m from the council.

We will definitely be asking for some lovely free cash to help with the stadium.

CEB wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 2:47 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 2:44 pm

CEB wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 2:32 pm


There goes my weight loss regime. THANKS

Fear not, you can mitigate the risk by simply staying away from Orient and going to Spurs instead.

I mean the William Morris gallery. That’s close enough that I could pop there in five minutes.

But you’re right. The spurs food offering is bloody awful

OyinbO wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 2:48 pm

CEB wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 2:47 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 2:44 pm

Fear not, you can mitigate the risk by simply staying away from Orient and going to Spurs instead.

I mean the William Morris gallery. That’s close enough that I could pop there in five minutes.

But you’re right. The spurs food offering is bloody awful

weren't they getting plaudits for their beer?

OyinbO wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 2:48 pm

CEB wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 2:47 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 2:44 pm

Fear not, you can mitigate the risk by simply staying away from Orient and going to Spurs instead.

I mean the William Morris gallery. That’s close enough that I could pop there in five minutes.

But you’re right. The spurs food offering is bloody awful

weren't they getting plaudits for their beer?

CEB wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 2:15 pm Why can’t you use quote correctly?

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 3:06 pm No Problem CEB.

He's just called you reddwarf and you've let him get away with it?

Max Fowler wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 2:46 pm

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 2:21 pm I doubt they'll be asking for direct financial contributions or loans, Council's are becoming very risk adverse after recent bankruptcies and scandals like what happened with Northampton (who's council would up 10.25m out of pocket then went bust).

In the interview, I'm pretty sure it was stated that Wrexham received £17m from the council.

We will definitely be asking for some lovely free cash to help with the stadium.

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 3:12 pm

Max Fowler wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 2:46 pm

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 2:21 pm I doubt they'll be asking for direct financial contributions or loans, Council's are becoming very risk adverse after recent bankruptcies and scandals like what happened with Northampton (who's council would up 10.25m out of pocket then went bust).

In the interview, I'm pretty sure it was stated that Wrexham received £17m from the council.

We will definitely be asking for some lovely free cash to help with the stadium.

Welsh government, not local. Obviously we'd be bidding for any national funding pots going and you'd want the council on board for that so they can chuck their hat in for getting enabling funding from stuff like the levelling up fund, but it's extremely unlikely imo they'd be making a direct financial contribution.

If we did put an planning application in with a developer, you can bet we'd be asking for a reduction in the amount of affordable housing on site due to viability, which would be interesting to see the reaction from fans towards.

essexfootball wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 3:08 pm The other one I picked up on was the "streaming" the games in the UK is stealing from the club, it's an utterly stupid incorrect statement as you can't legally stream them in the UK, so who exactly are you stealing from there?

StillSpike wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 3:27 pm

essexfootball wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 3:08 pm The other one I picked up on was the "streaming" the games in the UK is stealing from the club, it's an utterly stupid incorrect statement as you can't legally stream them in the UK, so who exactly are you stealing from there?

If you're paying for the stream and "watching from America" - either really, or via a VPN, then you're giving money to the club (money that it wouldn't get if you didn't stream - because you weren't abroad either actually or virtually.

However, if you paid for the stream and watched via a VPN instead of going to the game and buying a ticket - then you are reducing the club's income for the match (unless you had a season ticket already, in which case, you've actually helped - see above)

If you stream the game illegally through a dodgy stick or android service that has nicked the stream out of the ether and passed it on to you, then you are - presuming the club would/could have got your money otherwise (by buying a proper stream or a ticket) - essentially stealing from the Club.

Max Fowler wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 3:36 pm

StillSpike wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 3:27 pm

essexfootball wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 3:08 pm The other one I picked up on was the "streaming" the games in the UK is stealing from the club, it's an utterly stupid incorrect statement as you can't legally stream them in the UK, so who exactly are you stealing from there?

If you're paying for the stream and "watching from America" - either really, or via a VPN, then you're giving money to the club (money that it wouldn't get if you didn't stream - because you weren't abroad either actually or virtually.

However, if you paid for the stream and watched via a VPN instead of going to the game and buying a ticket - then you are reducing the club's income for the match (unless you had a season ticket already, in which case, you've actually helped - see above)

If you stream the game illegally through a dodgy stick or android service that has nicked the stream out of the ether and passed it on to you, then you are - presuming the club would/could have got your money otherwise (by buying a proper stream or a ticket) - essentially stealing from the Club.

Essex football makes a really good point - we cannot legally stream (most) games in the UK.

If you are in the UK and unable to attend the game, you cannot pay to stream it.

Therefore, anyone in the UK who is watching through IPTV or whatever, is not stealing from the club. It is only those outside the UK who can buy the stream and don't that are stealing.