Re: The Gaza genocide
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 8:39 am
It might be, but they started it.
Err, wrong. It was all really kicked off in 1948 but not by Hamas (who didn't exist back then). It was the European Zionist colonists to blame.
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Re: The Gaza genocide
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 8:48 am
Re: The Gaza genocide
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:18 am
I blame the Ottomans.
Re: The Gaza genocide
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:27 am
And I reckon the Persians need looking at too.
And Jesus. Everything was ticking along just fine before he came along with his fancy ideas of there being another way.
And Jesus. Everything was ticking along just fine before he came along with his fancy ideas of there being another way.
Re: The Gaza genocide
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:43 am
Zionists are Nazis, Netanyahu is Hitler, Hamas are freedom fighters, Israel is an apartheid state, but please don't call us anti-Semites - it's everything about Israel that we hate, not the Jews.Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 8:31 am I believe we have now unanimously agreed that what is happening in Gaza IS a genocide and that the counter arguments of "But Hamas" and "youse are all jew hating antisemites" has not survived scrutiny.
Re: The Gaza genocide
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:54 am
Jesus. Can't the mods have a word with this dolt?
Re: The Gaza genocide
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 10:35 am
I'm no fan of Israel response but comparable references to Nazis are plain offensive. Anyone doing this does nothing to support the argument against Israel's actions after October 7th.ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 8:08 pmThe Zionists are the new Nazis. At least 2 of the current Israeli government have got criminal charges for terrorism in their CVNeptune's Spear wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 4:30 pm Hey fellas, when you next go on an anti Israel demo, don't forget to take your Nazi flags
Re: The Gaza genocide
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 10:35 am
Only if you consider the clock to have started on 7th October. Which of course, it didn't.
Re: The Gaza genocide
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 10:52 am
Difficult to argue with this.Admin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 10:35 amI'm no fan of Israel response but comparable references to Nazis are plain offensive. Anyone doing this does nothing to support the argument against Israel's actions after October 7th.ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 8:08 pmThe Zionists are the new Nazis. At least 2 of the current Israeli government have got criminal charges for terrorism in their CVNeptune's Spear wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 4:30 pm Hey fellas, when you next go on an anti Israel demo, don't forget to take your Nazi flags
Even if you do consider the comparison to be valid, other less offensive baddies are available to choose from.
Re: The Gaza genocide
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:02 am
Re: The Gaza genocide
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:08 am
Is Zionism as practised in Israel a racist endeavour? Yes, with many of the hallmarks of a fascist state.faldO wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:43 amZionists are Nazis, Netanyahu is Hitler, Hamas are freedom fighters, Israel is an apartheid state, but please don't call us anti-Semites - it's everything about Israel that we hate, not the Jews.Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 8:31 am I believe we have now unanimously agreed that what is happening in Gaza IS a genocide and that the counter arguments of "But Hamas" and "youse are all jew hating antisemites" has not survived scrutiny.
Is Netanyhou Hitler? No.
Is Netanyhou a genocidal fascist? Yes
Are Hamas freedom fighters? Yes they are fighting to hold on to their homeland from European colonists.
Are their terrorist methods correct or acceptable? No, but Israel knew that when they encouraged and funded their growth when using them to drive a wedge between the Palestinians and Fatah.
Is Israel an Apartheid state? Yes Palestinians do not have the same rights as Jews. Witness Gaza and its similarity to the Bantus of South African apartheid
Are those who oppose Zionism and genocide antisemites? No, in fact many jews oppose the mass slaughter of innocent civilians.
Re: The Gaza genocide
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:48 am
The Hamas attack on 7th October wasn't an "escalation". It was a sophisticcated, coordinated maneuver, sponsored by Tehran, to destabilise the normalisation process between Israel and the Saudis. Which it has to an extent.Long slender neck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:02 amDon't really follow it, but seemed like quite an escalation.
They wanted to provoke Israel into a response, which it has duly obliged. Given that Hamas retains significant support from the local population and is fully entrenched within civilian infrastructure, a military response will always result in significant civilian collateral. So Tehran also made sure that the Palestinian propaganda machine was primed to capitalise on the publicity.
7th October was also to test the USA's resolve to maintain interest in the region. Hezbollah and other proxies were on notice that this could be an opportunity to launch an all-out assault on Israel. But the US placing its carrier strike force in the region soon put paid to that notion. So, aside from the odd token gesture rocket attack, Iran et al are happy to leave Hamas and the Palestinian people to their fate, having served their cruel purpose.
As for Israel, it is doing exactly what its enemies want it to. I suspect that this war will begin to wind down by the summer. But Israel and its people will pay a price for this. The consequences will be felt for decades.
Re: The Gaza genocide
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 12:22 pm
So Israel got played by the baddies?
Right oh.
Right oh.
Re: The Gaza genocide
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 12:23 pm
Re: The Gaza genocide
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 12:27 pm
Yeah, I thought it sounded a bit like poor old Israel simply fell for it.
Re: The Gaza genocide
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 12:40 pm
Except of course it isn't a "war" at all. It is the systematic liquidation of the people of Gaza by the strongest military power in the region, backed and funded by Western leaders.Dunners wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:48 amThe Hamas attack on 7th October wasn't an "escalation". It was a sophisticcated, coordinated maneuver, sponsored by Tehran, to destabilise the normalisation process between Israel and the Saudis. Which it has to an extent.Long slender neck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:02 amDon't really follow it, but seemed like quite an escalation.
They wanted to provoke Israel into a response, which it has duly obliged. Given that Hamas retains significant support from the local population and is fully entrenched within civilian infrastructure, a military response will always result in significant civilian collateral. So Tehran also made sure that the Palestinian propaganda machine was primed to capitalise on the publicity.
7th October was also to test the USA's resolve to maintain interest in the region. Hezbollah and other proxies were on notice that this could be an opportunity to launch an all-out assault on Israel. But the US placing its carrier strike force in the region soon put paid to that notion. So, aside from the odd token gesture rocket attack, Iran et al are happy to leave Hamas and the Palestinian people to their fate, having served their cruel purpose.
As for Israel, it is doing exactly what its enemies want it to. I suspect that this war will begin to wind down by the summer. But Israel and its people will pay a price for this. The consequences will be felt for decades.
Re: The Gaza genocide
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:08 pm
No I didn't:Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 12:23 pmPrices are being paid right now, you seem to have overlooked that.
"So, aside from the odd token gesture rocket attack, Iran et al are happy to leave Hamas and the Palestinian people to their fate, having served their cruel purpose."
Re: The Gaza genocide
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:10 pm
I'm not letting them off. Israel is just as complicit as other actors involved in this conflict.
Re: The Gaza genocide
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:11 pm
That's still war.Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 12:40 pmExcept of course it isn't a "war" at all. It is the systematic liquidation of the people of Gaza by the strongest military power in the region, backed and funded by Western leaders.Dunners wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:48 amThe Hamas attack on 7th October wasn't an "escalation". It was a sophisticcated, coordinated maneuver, sponsored by Tehran, to destabilise the normalisation process between Israel and the Saudis. Which it has to an extent.Long slender neck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:02 am
Don't really follow it, but seemed like quite an escalation.
They wanted to provoke Israel into a response, which it has duly obliged. Given that Hamas retains significant support from the local population and is fully entrenched within civilian infrastructure, a military response will always result in significant civilian collateral. So Tehran also made sure that the Palestinian propaganda machine was primed to capitalise on the publicity.
7th October was also to test the USA's resolve to maintain interest in the region. Hezbollah and other proxies were on notice that this could be an opportunity to launch an all-out assault on Israel. But the US placing its carrier strike force in the region soon put paid to that notion. So, aside from the odd token gesture rocket attack, Iran et al are happy to leave Hamas and the Palestinian people to their fate, having served their cruel purpose.
As for Israel, it is doing exactly what its enemies want it to. I suspect that this war will begin to wind down by the summer. But Israel and its people will pay a price for this. The consequences will be felt for decades.
"Given that Hamas retains significant support from the local population and is fully entrenched within civilian infrastructure, a military response will always result in significant civilian collateral."
Re: The Gaza genocide
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:12 pm
Lots of cope pouring out here.
Re: The Gaza genocide
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:19 pm
BSDunners wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:11 pmThat's still war.Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 12:40 pmExcept of course it isn't a "war" at all. It is the systematic liquidation of the people of Gaza by the strongest military power in the region, backed and funded by Western leaders.Dunners wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:48 am
The Hamas attack on 7th October wasn't an "escalation". It was a sophisticcated, coordinated maneuver, sponsored by Tehran, to destabilise the normalisation process between Israel and the Saudis. Which it has to an extent.
They wanted to provoke Israel into a response, which it has duly obliged. Given that Hamas retains significant support from the local population and is fully entrenched within civilian infrastructure, a military response will always result in significant civilian collateral. So Tehran also made sure that the Palestinian propaganda machine was primed to capitalise on the publicity.
7th October was also to test the USA's resolve to maintain interest in the region. Hezbollah and other proxies were on notice that this could be an opportunity to launch an all-out assault on Israel. But the US placing its carrier strike force in the region soon put paid to that notion. So, aside from the odd token gesture rocket attack, Iran et al are happy to leave Hamas and the Palestinian people to their fate, having served their cruel purpose.
As for Israel, it is doing exactly what its enemies want it to. I suspect that this war will begin to wind down by the summer. But Israel and its people will pay a price for this. The consequences will be felt for decades.
"Given that Hamas retains significant support from the local population and is fully entrenched within civilian infrastructure, a military response will always result in significant civilian collateral."
Re: The Gaza genocide
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:23 pm
Claiming that Hamas are freedom fighters and then saying that their methods are unacceptable is a strange position to take, given that Hamas's "freedom" is every last Jew killed and no Israel in the Middle East.Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:08 am Are Hamas freedom fighters? Yes they are fighting to hold on to their homeland from European colonists.
Are their terrorist methods correct or acceptable? No, but Israel knew that when they encouraged and funded their growth when using them to drive a wedge between the Palestinians and Fatah.
And then blaming Israel for Oct 7th.
Re: The Gaza genocide
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:31 pm
Re: The Gaza genocide
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:34 pm
Not his finest hour to be fair.
Re: The Gaza genocide
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:52 pm
I'm not claiming anything of the sort. I was reporting a fact. They are freedom fighters who use terrorist methods. Their political ends are unacceptable. I don't support them.faldO wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:23 pmClaiming that Hamas are freedom fighters and then saying that their methods are unacceptable is a strange position to take, given that Hamas's "freedom" is every last Jew killed and no Israel in the Middle East.Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:08 am Are Hamas freedom fighters? Yes they are fighting to hold on to their homeland from European colonists.
Are their terrorist methods correct or acceptable? No, but Israel knew that when they encouraged and funded their growth when using them to drive a wedge between the Palestinians and Fatah.
And then blaming Israel for Oct 7th.
I would like to see a secular socialist Israel where all are equal and the Palestinians have their stolen property restored to them.
SIGH, I thought we had worked our way through this silly propaganda point that Israel are not to blame for anything. The oppression and daily murder of Palestinians by Israel was going on long before 7 Oct.