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Re: FAO Racists
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:27 pm
by BoniO
Pandy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:52 pm
They are going to ask the fans to take the knee as well, anyone standing up or sitting down gets a ban.
I heard that you have to put your legs behind your head whilst whistling the National Anthem. PC gone mad!!
Re: FAO Racists
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:27 pm
by Dunners
As of 30 September, here's the YouGov polling on PL players and staff "taking the knee":
All voters
Approve - 49%
Disapprove - 41%
Middle class
Approve - 56%
Disapprove - 35%
Working class
Approve - 39%
Disapprove - 48%
London
Approve - 59%
Disapprove - 31%
Midlands
Approve - 42%
Disapprove - 48%
Re: FAO Racists
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:35 pm
by Beradogs
That split in approve and disapprove looks just about the same as the split in remain vs leave right before the referendum. Shocked I tell ya...shocked...Who would have thought it! But but but..it’s not political.
Re: FAO Racists
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:37 pm
by Rich Tea Wellin
Being scared of people who aren't like you isn't necessarily political...
Re: FAO Racists
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:42 pm
by Beradogs
Working class disapprove. London heavily approve. Go further north they disapprove. It’s just the culture wars playing out again. Like I said at the start.
Re: FAO Racists
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:43 pm
by Max B Gold
Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:37 pm
Being scared of people who aren't like you isn't necessarily political...
He admitted as much in an earlier post where he put it down to DNA and some simplistic notion of fight or flight and the concept of the "outsider"
He's had a nightmare two days trying to construct imbecilicly thin arguments to wind up a subject that decent people feel strongly about.
Re: FAO Racists
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:44 pm
by Dohnut
Sailor wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:02 pm
So one is a WUM . if one has another opinion?.
It’s the way of the world. Well some worlds anyway. Some people do all they can to stifle debate.
Re: FAO Racists
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:46 pm
by Max B Gold
Beradogs wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:42 pm
Working class disapprove. London heavily approve. Go further north they disapprove. It’s just the culture wars playing out again. Like I said at the start.
Generalised nonsense.
There is no such thing as a culture war. There is only the class war. The so called culture war is a distraction from it stirred up by the right wing because they have no possibility of winning the economic argument.
Re: FAO Racists
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:47 pm
by Max B Gold
Dohnut wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:44 pm
Sailor wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:02 pm
So one is a WUM . if one has another opinion?.
It’s the way of the world. Well some worlds anyway. Some people do all they can to stifle debate.
Shut up.
Re: FAO Racists
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:52 pm
by Dohnut
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:47 pm
Dohnut wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:44 pm
Sailor wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:02 pm
So one is a WUM . if one has another opinion?.
It’s the way of the world. Well some worlds anyway. Some people do all they can to stifle debate.
Shut up.
Love it!
Re: FAO Racists
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 6:45 pm
by Ronnie Hotdogs
Beradogs wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:35 pm
That split in approve and disapprove looks just about the same as the split in remain vs leave right before the referendum. Shocked I tell ya...shocked...Who would have thought it! But but but..it’s not political.
But it’s not political.
Re: FAO Racists
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:05 pm
by StillSpike
From the horse's mouth ( LOFC twitter account)
"This is not an endorsement of any political party or views.
This is a show of unity against racial discrimination of all kinds.
This is why we kneel."
So, not political.
Re: FAO Racists
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:36 pm
by Beradogs
Then why do something that 48% of working class people don’t agree with. They can’t be that stupid can they. Unless you are picking people up and taking them with you it’s pointless and nothing but virtue signalling. The whole idea is too effect change. The only people who agree with it are the ones you are not trying to change. How ridiculous is that. I give up.
Re: FAO Racists
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:37 pm
by Long slender neck
That may well be their reason, but the fact is taking the knee is strongly associated with BLM.
Re: FAO Racists
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:39 pm
by Disoriented
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 1:02 pm
Dohnut wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 12:54 pm
EastDerehamO wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 12:42 pm
If someone boos because they don’t want politics involved in sport that is not the actions of a bigot.
I personally wouldn’t boo, but thank goodness we live in a country where we have freedom of speech (within the law), and I would always defend that right.
It’s a slippery slope otherwise, what next, not wear a ‘taking the knee’ badge maybe upon entering the stadium becomes the actions of a bigot? Not joining a march perhaps?
One either believes in free speech (within the law) or one doesn’t, and that has to work regardless of whether one agrees with what is being said or not.
Debates surrounding racism are now all but impossible. Rather than reducing racism it just pushes it underground. This is not healthy.
This is just b/s. I can't recall a time in my life when racists were more embolded to spew their filth.
Good thing you weren’t around in the 1930s then, or was that the wrong kind of racist filth?
Re: FAO Racists
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:42 pm
by Ronnie Hotdogs
Beradogs wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:36 pm
Then why do something that 48% of working class people don’t agree with. They can’t be that stupid can they. Unless you are picking people up and taking them with you it’s pointless and nothing but virtue signalling. The whole idea is too effect change. The only people who agree with it are the ones you are not trying to change. How ridiculous is that. I give up.
Martin Luther King would have died with happiness if only 48% of people didn’t agree with him. Should he have packed it in with his virtue signalling too?
Re: FAO Racists
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:46 pm
by Oiram
BoniO wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:27 pm
Pandy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:52 pm
They are going to ask the fans to take the knee as well, anyone standing up or sitting down gets a ban.
I heard that you have to put your legs behind your head whilst whistling the National Anthem. PC gone mad!!
You can whistle through your jacksy no doubt.
Re: FAO Racists
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:48 pm
by Beradogs
Comparing Juddy with Martin Luther King now. I had a dream that one day I would get into faces half price.
Re: FAO Racists
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:49 pm
by Story of O
There was booing at Colchester on Saturday when the players took the knee.
Re: FAO Racists
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:49 pm
by Oiram
Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:27 pm
As of 30 September, here's the YouGov polling on PL players and staff "taking the knee":
All voters
Approve - 49%
Disapprove - 41%
Middle class
Approve - 56%
Disapprove - 35%
Working class
Approve - 39%
Disapprove - 48%
London
Approve - 59%
Disapprove - 31%
Midlands
Approve - 42%
Disapprove - 48%
Source?
Richard and Judie?
Re: FAO Racists
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:51 pm
by Ronnie Hotdogs
Story of O wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:49 pm
There was booing at Colchester on Saturday when the players took the knee.
Their chairman has issued a statement saying it won’t be tolerated again.
Re: FAO Racists
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:53 pm
by PutneyO
Just out of interest, does the taking of the knee also include the fact that a fascist regime murdered eight million Jews ???
Re: FAO Racists
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:58 pm
by Oiram
Beradogs wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:42 pm
Working class disapprove. London heavily approve. Go further north they disapprove. It’s just the culture wars playing out again. Like I said at the start.
Rubbish poll, doesn’t show ethnicity of thoseinvolved. This is the white, woke, snowflake, Remoaners, stirring it all up.
Look at old Prince Harry in the States on his zoom Lord Haw Haw Broadcasts. He has erased and forgotten his Nazi Uniform ‘prank’ and ‘Rag Head Jibes’ at his so called Brothers In Arms ‘mates’.
Re: FAO Racists
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:06 pm
by Oiram
StillSpike wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:05 pm
From the horse's mouth ( LOFC twitter account)
"This is not an endorsement of any political party or views.
This is a show of unity against racial discrimination of all kinds.
This is why we kneel."
So, not political.
Make some ‘Leyton Orient Against Racism ‘ Badges. Sell them for a good cause. I’ll buy and wear one!
Re: FAO Racists
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:29 pm
by Max B Gold
Disoriented wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:39 pm
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 1:02 pm
Dohnut wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 12:54 pm
Debates surrounding racism are now all but impossible. Rather than reducing racism it just pushes it underground. This is not healthy.
This is just b/s. I can't recall a time in my life when racists were more embolded to spew their filth.
Good thing you weren’t around in the 1930s then, or was that the wrong kind of racist filth?
Please try harder not to be an utter helmet.