Jobi in the paper this morning

[Fanny]

Quoted in the Metro:

“If things are going well you wish Justin was here to enjoy that and know he would be leading everything and full of life and when things are not going as well, he would be there at the front of the queue making sure we pull our socks up”

Clearly a squad still in mourning.

[Chicken Dhansak]

He needs to leave the club. It looks like he, for one, will not readily accept a new manager.

[redintheface]

No disrespect intended but I must say that the references back to JE are becoming too frequent and sounding like a rather lame excuse imho.

[LittleMate]

No disrespect intended but I must say that the references back to JE are becoming too frequent and sounding like a rather lame excuse imho.

Whilst I don't agree about the lame excuse, I absolutely get what you mean. It's as if the only way to move on from this is to clear out all the players affected by it.

[Long slender neck]

Nigel loves him, described him as one of the best humans he's met.

[redintheface]

Nigel loves him, described him as one of the best humans he's met.

We need a bloke who can play in midfield not Albert Schweitzer!

[o-no]

He's Orient through and through, but I don't see anywhere for him to go in the current top-heavy setup, and I don't think he'll ever play for us again.

I'd like to see him hone his skills elsewhere and come back as a manager sometime, because I think he could be really good.

[eagwgw]

No disrespect intended but I must say that the references back to JE are becoming too frequent and sounding like a rather lame excuse imho.

I do think there is some merit in that. Every player will have his own story that is waiting to be told.

Obviously what happened was bad. But I think the bigger picture in the underperformance is just bad management. Leicester City suffered an equally bad tragedy last year, but a new manager came in and they have not looked back.

Its a bit like the first season: quick to blame the previous regime, no proper-preseason etc. But looking further into the detail, we chose an ineffective style of play and recruited an ineffective manager and some ineffective players to go with it which was a bigger factor. But nobody likes to blame that.

I can see similarities in how Travis deals with it: chuck in an anecdote and the whole tone of the topic changes. First time around we had the stories of no bank account, no players. It's smart. But I don't believe the players are sad to the extent that they can't do a job on the pitch, at least not six months on.

I do feel a bit like as fans there was not closure. I don't understand why we couldn't have had a testimonial benefit game for Justin early in the season.... a chance for fans to say thanks and goodbye and to start moving on. All the players stories could have come out then, we'd have a laugh and cry over it. Dream Team are coughing up free drinks for Saturday's match, it could have been much more memorable if this happened at a testimonial match for fans to give Justin a toast.... would have been a full house.

The whole interim stuff is self-inflicted, either give Ross the job and back him or allow a new man to come in and do it his way. In reality we did neither, we got a new man and tried to make him a Justin substitute, ultimately very unlikely to work.

Stuff like putting his picture in the dressing room is a nice touch but ultimately unhelpful to a new manager, and there are better ways to pay tribute IMO.

[Sid Bishop]

No disrespect intended but I must say that the references back to JE are becoming too frequent and sounding like a rather lame excuse imho.

I do think there is some merit in that. Every player will have his own story that is waiting to be told.

Obviously what happened was bad. But I think the bigger picture in the underperformance is just bad management. Leicester City suffered an equally bad tragedy last year, but a new manager came in and they have not looked back.

Its a bit like the first season: quick to blame the previous regime, no proper-preseason etc. But looking further into the detail, we chose an ineffective style of play and recruited an ineffective manager and some ineffective players to go with it which was a bigger factor. But nobody likes to blame that.

I can see similarities in how Travis deals with it: chuck in an anecdote and the whole tone of the topic changes. First time around we had the stories of no bank account, no players. It's smart. But I don't believe the players are sad to the extent that they can't do a job on the pitch, at least not six months on.

I do feel a bit like as fans there was not closure. I don't understand why we couldn't have had a testimonial benefit game for Justin early in the season.... a chance for fans to say thanks and goodbye and to start moving on. All the players stories could have come out then, we'd have a laugh and cry over it. Dream Team are coughing up free drinks for Saturday's match, it could have been much more memorable if this happened at a testimonial match for fans to give Justin a toast.... would have been a full house.

The whole interim stuff is self-inflicted, either give Ross the job and back him or allow a new man to come in and do it his way. In reality we did neither, we got a new man and tried to make him a Justin substitute, ultimately very unlikely to work.

Stuff like putting his picture in the dressing room is a nice touch but ultimately unhelpful to a new manager, and there are better ways to pay tribute IMO.

@eagwgw
Yes in my opinion, you made some very good points there and agree, remember Justin with good memories and ever lasting respect but we must try to move on. Also as you correctly say ''Leicester City suffered an equally bad tragedy last year, but a new manager came in and they have not looked back.'' I am sure that is also what Justin would have wished for.

[bobo66]

He's Orient through and through, but I don't see anywhere for him to go in the current top-heavy setup, and I don't think he'll ever play for us again.

I'd like to see him hone his skills elsewhere and come back as a manager sometime, because I think he could be really good.

Sorry but this is the sort of sentimental over-reaction that has seen us in the state we are in at the moment, where players who were in the team last season but aren't up to it, have got unbreakable contracts. He's not Orient through and through. We was in the team for 2 seasons (I'm not counting the disaster under Beelzebub). He had one great season, but he is certainly not Orient through and through.

[MrB]

He's Orient through and through, but I don't see anywhere for him to go in the current top-heavy setup, and I don't think he'll ever play for us again.

I'd like to see him hone his skills elsewhere and come back as a manager sometime, because I think he could be really good.

Sorry but this is the sort of sentimental over-reaction that has seen us in the state we are in at the moment, where players who were in the team last season but aren't up to it, have got unbreakable contracts. He's not Orient through and through. We was in the team for 2 seasons (I'm not counting the disaster under Beelzebub). He had one great season, but he is certainly not Orient through and through.

I can’t help but agree with this

[o-no]

He's Orient through and through, but I don't see anywhere for him to go in the current top-heavy setup, and I don't think he'll ever play for us again.

I'd like to see him hone his skills elsewhere and come back as a manager sometime, because I think he could be really good.

Sorry but this is the sort of sentimental over-reaction that has seen us in the state we are in at the moment, where players who were in the team last season but aren't up to it, have got unbreakable contracts. He's not Orient through and through. We was in the team for 2 seasons (I'm not counting the disaster under Beelzebub). He had one great season, but he is certainly not Orient through and through.

Did you even read what I wrote - I said I'd like to see him leave to hone his skills elsewhere. How is that a sentimental overreaction?

[bobo66]

The over-reaction to which I was referring was that he was "Orient through and through".

[o-no]

OK, apologies if that has upset you. Seems an odd thing to get all hot under the collar about. If you're looking for an over-reaction maybe you should look a bit closer to home.

[redintheface]

The over-reaction to which I was referring was that he was "Orient through and through".

Exactly right. McAnuff is / was a professional footballer who has been at numerous clubs during his long career. He has done well in his second spell at the O’s. I’m sure he gives 100% when / if he plays. That’s it.

[gshaw]

For those key players left from the promotion squad I don't think they'll ever really get over the events of summer while they're still at Orient. Too big a shock to lose someone they had such a close bond with.

Had Fletcher been able to be brought in over summer the clear-out and change of direction is exactly what we need imo. Sad as it is that vibe will never be the same for the remnants of the 18-19 squad and without that extra 20-30% JE brought out of them you're seeing the limitations of a NL side struggling at the higher quality of L2.

I don't think Ling nor T&T have the guts to do it though because it doesn't fit this whole "family club / our club" ethos so on pitch the struggle continues but players get some comfort having an easy life under Ross.