FA Cup First Round Draw

[Howling Mad Murdock]

I'm amazed so many people choose not to want a bye and the £36k prize money this coming round

Bloody right Spin and it would be one less game for our players.

[Thor]

MK Dons shafted their fans for a start. Other clubs have moved grounds, including Orient, but without shiting on their fan base.

It wasn't their fans- that's the point. It is to all intents and purposes the transformation of one club into a new entity. Both clubs now recognise this, with AFC Wimbledon owning the history of the linear Wimbledon.

I've never got that point. MKDons are the existing club, it never went out of business so it should still own the fa cup it won, its history of going through the leagues etc. It does still own its league share and have never given it back.

Yes they didn't care about the fans and I get that and I support the AFC part of it, but they are not the existing club.

If T&T get us to the championship and then plan on moving us to say Douglas Eyre in Walthamstow, I can't suddenly say, I ain't having that so I'm setting up AFC Orient and I want the history of Leyton Orient they would rightly tell me to go do one.

[Red_Army]

MK Dons shafted their fans for a start. Other clubs have moved grounds, including Orient, but without shiting on their fan base.

It wasn't their fans- that's the point. It is to all intents and purposes the transformation of one club into a new entity. Both clubs now recognise this, with AFC Wimbledon owning the history of the linear Wimbledon.

As AFC Wimbledon were not formed until 2002 it is sentimental nonsense to say they own the history of a club that existed before then.

Whether you like it or not, AFC Wimbledon cannot have history before they existed.

AFC Wimbledon no more own the history of MK Dons prior to 2002 than FC United own the History of Manchester United. Both clubs were formed by fans unhappy at the actions of the Original Clubs owners. Those 2 clubs still exist and it is nonsense to claim they own the history of another club, especially one still in existence.

Basic logic shows a club cannot have the history of another club that happened before new club existed.

In the same way Accrington Stanley are not one of the original founders of the football league and Bradford (Park Avenue) in National League North are not the same club as the one that ceased to exist in the 1970s

I know that hard cold fact in a binary manner is your thing but please spare me the rubbish and save some internet.

It wasn't simply a ground move and you know it but I hope you enjoy arguing the technicalities of it and the validation that your binary argument is technically correct.

I'm off for a Turkish and a beer.

[Red_Army]

MK Dons shafted their fans for a start. Other clubs have moved grounds, including Orient, but without shiting on their fan base.

It wasn't their fans- that's the point. It is to all intents and purposes the transformation of one club into a new entity. Both clubs now recognise this, with AFC Wimbledon owning the history of the linear Wimbledon.

I've never got that point. MKDons are the existing club, it never went out of business so it should still own the fa cup it won, its history of going through the leagues etc. It does still own its league share and have never given it back.

Yes they didn't care about the fans and I get that and I support the AFC part of it, but they are not the existing club.

If T&T get us to the championship and then plan on moving us to say Douglas Eyre in Walthamstow, I can't suddenly say, I ain't having that so I'm setting up AFC Orient and I want the history of Leyton Orient they would rightly tell me to go do one.

It wouldn't be the same though would it.

MK moved to a completely different place, changed the colours and name of the club creating a completely new identity. All they kept was the trading company.

They were a new club, but managed to find a way of working their way through the leagues. At least Salford did that.

[spen666]

It wasn't their fans- that's the point. It is to all intents and purposes the transformation of one club into a new entity. Both clubs now recognise this, with AFC Wimbledon owning the history of the linear Wimbledon.

As AFC Wimbledon were not formed until 2002 it is sentimental nonsense to say they own the history of a club that existed before then.

Whether you like it or not, AFC Wimbledon cannot have history before they existed.

AFC Wimbledon no more own the history of MK Dons prior to 2002 than FC United own the History of Manchester United. Both clubs were formed by fans unhappy at the actions of the Original Clubs owners. Those 2 clubs still exist and it is nonsense to claim they own the history of another club, especially one still in existence.

Basic logic shows a club cannot have the history of another club that happened before new club existed.

In the same way Accrington Stanley are not one of the original founders of the football league and Bradford (Park Avenue) in National League North are not the same club as the one that ceased to exist in the 1970s

I know that hard cold fact in a binary manner is your thing but please spare me the rubbish and save some internet.

It wasn't simply a ground move and you know it but I hope you enjoy arguing the technicalities of it and the validation that your binary argument is technically correct.

I'm off for a Turkish and a beer.

More abuse, but still unable to challenge a single point I made. Every club moved its ground. You will go to other clubs who have moved grounds, but for what I presume are ideological reasons you won't go to MK Dons who moved grounds, albeit further than other clubs. MK Dons did the same as all the other clubs did.

I repeat my invite to tell me where I am wrong, if indeed I am wrong.

[spen666]

It wasn't their fans- that's the point. It is to all intents and purposes the transformation of one club into a new entity. Both clubs now recognise this, with AFC Wimbledon owning the history of the linear Wimbledon.

I've never got that point. MKDons are the existing club, it never went out of business so it should still own the fa cup it won, its history of going through the leagues etc. It does still own its league share and have never given it back.

Yes they didn't care about the fans and I get that and I support the AFC part of it, but they are not the existing club.

If T&T get us to the championship and then plan on moving us to say Douglas Eyre in Walthamstow, I can't suddenly say, I ain't having that so I'm setting up AFC Orient and I want the history of Leyton Orient they would rightly tell me to go do one.

It wouldn't be the same though would it.

MK moved to a completely different place, changed the colours and name of the club creating a completely new identity. All they kept was the trading company.

They were a new club, but managed to find a way of working their way through the leagues. At least Salford did that.

They were not a new club, they were a club who did as you say, but are not the first team to do any of that.


Woolwich Arsenal Changed to Arsenal. Orient have been Clapton Orient, Leyton Orient and indeed even dropped the name Orient each time creating a different identity. and moved several times. They have changed colours from Blue to Red and have changed their badge

Indeed, even MK Dons in its prior format moved from the Borough of Merton and indeed did AFC Wimbledon when they moved to Kingston.

Nothing unusual in clubs changing locations, names, badges or colours. Indeed, Newcastle United's original colours were red and white stripes like Sunderland and changed to Black and White, moved into the ground of Newcastle West End, have changed their badge many times in my lifetime alone


All the things you say justify boycotting MK Dons, but you still go to Orient.....

[Story of O]

When were we not Orient?

[Loyal_Supporter]

The lowest ranked non-league team at home please.

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

I've never got that point. MKDons are the existing club, it never went out of business so it should still own the fa cup it won, its history of going through the leagues etc. It does still own its league share and have never given it back.

Yes they didn't care about the fans and I get that and I support the AFC part of it, but they are not the existing club.

If T&T get us to the championship and then plan on moving us to say Douglas Eyre in Walthamstow, I can't suddenly say, I ain't having that so I'm setting up AFC Orient and I want the history of Leyton Orient they would rightly tell me to go do one.

It wouldn't be the same though would it.

MK moved to a completely different place, changed the colours and name of the club creating a completely new identity. All they kept was the trading company.

They were a new club, but managed to find a way of working their way through the leagues. At least Salford did that.

They were not a new club, they were a club who did as you say, but are not the first team to do any of that.


Woolwich Arsenal Changed to Arsenal. Orient have been Clapton Orient, Leyton Orient and indeed even dropped the name Orient each time creating a different identity. and moved several times. They have changed colours from Blue to Red and have changed their badge

Indeed, even MK Dons in its prior format moved from the Borough of Merton and indeed did AFC Wimbledon when they moved to Kingston.

Nothing unusual in clubs changing locations, names, badges or colours. Indeed, Newcastle United's original colours were red and white stripes like Sunderland and changed to Black and White, moved into the ground of Newcastle West End, have changed their badge many times in my lifetime alone


All the things you say justify boycotting MK Dons, but you still go to Orient.....

How they treated their fans by moving far away is pretty much all that I don’t like. All the rest like colours, names and even locations within the same vicinity don’t bother me. They shafted their fan base.

[Article_50]

A bye would be nice but we will never be that lucky, so I expect a crappy away tie against not the most exciting opposition and we will limp out of the competition, ready to focus on the league.

Barrow away

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

A bye would be nice but we will never be that lucky, so I expect a crappy away tie against not the most exciting opposition and we will limp out of the competition, ready to focus on the league.

Barrow away

About right.

[one o in huntingdon]

Sarfend for me.

Sounds just the job, remember a good FA cup tie with them which we won 3-2.

[RientO]

When were we not Orient?

When they were Glyn Cricket Club and Eagle Cricket Club. Adopted Orient 7 years after forming and have had Orient in name ever since.

For me, they are only Orient. I never liked prefixing it with Leyton. But then I was born and mostly raised in Clapton.

[Red_Army]

I've never got that point. MKDons are the existing club, it never went out of business so it should still own the fa cup it won, its history of going through the leagues etc. It does still own its league share and have never given it back.

Yes they didn't care about the fans and I get that and I support the AFC part of it, but they are not the existing club.

If T&T get us to the championship and then plan on moving us to say Douglas Eyre in Walthamstow, I can't suddenly say, I ain't having that so I'm setting up AFC Orient and I want the history of Leyton Orient they would rightly tell me to go do one.

It wouldn't be the same though would it.

MK moved to a completely different place, changed the colours and name of the club creating a completely new identity. All they kept was the trading company.

They were a new club, but managed to find a way of working their way through the leagues. At least Salford did that.

They were not a new club, they were a club who did as you say, but are not the first team to do any of that.


Woolwich Arsenal Changed to Arsenal. Orient have been Clapton Orient, Leyton Orient and indeed even dropped the name Orient each time creating a different identity. and moved several times. They have changed colours from Blue to Red and have changed their badge

Indeed, even MK Dons in its prior format moved from the Borough of Merton and indeed did AFC Wimbledon when they moved to Kingston.

Nothing unusual in clubs changing locations, names, badges or colours. Indeed, Newcastle United's original colours were red and white stripes like Sunderland and changed to Black and White, moved into the ground of Newcastle West End, have changed their badge many times in my lifetime alone


All the things you say justify boycotting MK Dons, but you still go to Orient.....

The Arsenal comparison the only point you make that is relevant.

MK Dons killed Wimbledon in all but the legal sense. I'm sure that you will argue that that's all that matters though.

[spen666]

It wouldn't be the same though would it.

MK moved to a completely different place, changed the colours and name of the club creating a completely new identity. All they kept was the trading company.

They were a new club, but managed to find a way of working their way through the leagues. At least Salford did that.

They were not a new club, they were a club who did as you say, but are not the first team to do any of that.


Woolwich Arsenal Changed to Arsenal. Orient have been Clapton Orient, Leyton Orient and indeed even dropped the name Orient each time creating a different identity. and moved several times. They have changed colours from Blue to Red and have changed their badge

Indeed, even MK Dons in its prior format moved from the Borough of Merton and indeed did AFC Wimbledon when they moved to Kingston.

Nothing unusual in clubs changing locations, names, badges or colours. Indeed, Newcastle United's original colours were red and white stripes like Sunderland and changed to Black and White, moved into the ground of Newcastle West End, have changed their badge many times in my lifetime alone


All the things you say justify boycotting MK Dons, but you still go to Orient.....

The Arsenal comparison the only point you make that is relevant.

MK Dons killed Wimbledon in all but the legal sense. I'm sure that you will argue that that's all that matters though.

Wimbledon FC still exist. They play home games now in MK and changed game, but they are still same club, legally and in eyes of the FA/ EFL.

Some of the fans didn't like this and formed their own club. Same as Man U fans did with FC United

As I said Orient have done everything you say MK Don's have done, but you justify treating them differently to MK Dons

[Proposition Joe]

Don't you ever get bored of relentlessly flogging false equivalents? Like, never think 'nah, I'll sit this one out and read a book' or something?

[Red_Army]

They were not a new club, they were a club who did as you say, but are not the first team to do any of that.


Woolwich Arsenal Changed to Arsenal. Orient have been Clapton Orient, Leyton Orient and indeed even dropped the name Orient each time creating a different identity. and moved several times. They have changed colours from Blue to Red and have changed their badge

Indeed, even MK Dons in its prior format moved from the Borough of Merton and indeed did AFC Wimbledon when they moved to Kingston.

Nothing unusual in clubs changing locations, names, badges or colours. Indeed, Newcastle United's original colours were red and white stripes like Sunderland and changed to Black and White, moved into the ground of Newcastle West End, have changed their badge many times in my lifetime alone


All the things you say justify boycotting MK Dons, but you still go to Orient.....

The Arsenal comparison the only point you make that is relevant.

MK Dons killed Wimbledon in all but the legal sense. I'm sure that you will argue that that's all that matters though.

Wimbledon FC still exist. They play home games now in MK and changed game, but they are still same club, legally and in eyes of the FA/ EFL.

Some of the fans didn't like this and formed their own club. Same as Man U fans did with FC United

As I said Orient have done everything you say MK Don's have done, but you justify treating them differently to MK Dons

I'll let people read this thread and work out if they agree with you.

[spen666]

Don't you ever get bored of relentlessly flogging false equivalents? Like, never think 'nah, I'll sit this one out and read a book' or something?

What is false?

Have Orient not moved grounds?
Have they not changed names?
Have they not changed colours?


Which of these is false?
They are all things cited as reasons to avoid going to MK Don's and all equally apply to Orient

[Proposition Joe]

Nah, not rising to it. Find someone else to play with.

[RientO]

Definitely going to be MK Dons away

[RedDwarf 1881]

A bye please, £36,000 for not playing is fine by me.

Yes, good point .

[spen666]

Nah, not rising to it. Find someone else to play with.

You make the claim its s false equivalent but seem unable to back it up.

There is no doubting all the allegations thrown at MK Don's in this thread have also been done by Oriebt, so what are the false equivalents you claim I am making?

[Howling Mad Murdock]

Looks like PJ has a date.

[Long slender neck]

Maldon & Tiptree away please.

[Stowaway]

Dulwich Hamlet away, cos I can ride there in 15 minutes.