Thanks Richie time to move on

[cockhat]

He’s supposed to be our 10. The main man that gets on the ball and creates things. Playing in pockets of space between the midfield and back line. He doesn’t and cannot do that. Granted he puts a couple of nice passes in when he drops into the right back spot to pick the ball up without any pressure but that isn’t anywhere near enough.

First half we matched them which considering we were effectively playing with 10 men was an achievement in itself.

Sorry I disagree we didn’t match them in the first or second half. Forget Wellens , they were stronger more determined and played as a team. They were much better than us all over the pitch.

[Hoover Attack]

Because they had an extra man.

[Story of O]

Grow up

[BiggsyMalone]

So many entitled stupid people in this thread. Can’t wait for him to get sacked and the club nose dive straight back into league 2.

Is there anything Man United related you won't knock one out over? The squad is fine, we shouldn't be relegated with Richie here but equally should survive if we get our next appointment half right.

What the f*** are you talking about United for?

A lot of should and shouldn’ts doing heavy lifting for you there. You’re not convinced.

[Bandy Legs]

Grow up

I don't think its possible !

[North Stand Dave]

I don’t think there’s any hate. Just disappointment that we've got to this point. Majority of fans back Wellens, but not slavishly. His constant selection of Nepo is baffling considering the options we have and his non-showing for media duties just looks petulant.

Oh theres hate, some bod on fb just saie " don't care if he won us the champions league, I'd still hate him !

I think it’s been proven conclusively by this point that Facebook is a blight on humanity.

Totally agree with this
I'm on that aswell & there's some proper morons on there & I'm being polite with the morons word

[moonwalk19]

I'm with KenleyO. I too am sick of watching the team I love get beat every week

I've lost count of the number of players brought in here, during the last two seasons, but we're still so poor.

The common denominator is Richie Wellens.

Despite supporting him constantly, now im sick of him, & want him gone.

I'm sick of his defensive line ups, rarely more than one up front. There's a defensive vibe in the team. If we ever go 1 up, you know, we will then just try and defend that 1 goal lead. Its not how I want my team to play.

I'm also sick of Richie's pathetic avoid the fans/press crap lately, in which he sends out PT to face the press.

I would sack him this evening if I was in charge, put Pratt's in charge temporarily, & start looking for a new manager, first thing Monday morning

We just can't go in like this much longer

I agree with everything you said. The trouble is it’s going to cost the club a lot of money to get rid of him and he knows that. He has not changed the way he wants to play in the last 2-3 seasons. He is so predictable in the way we play that other teams can read us so easy .we have no plan B. We have players that in perhaps 2 years time can become really good. Yesterday we had 2 wingers who looked as if they did not know what to do with the ball and looked lost. Hence not many crosses and nobody to attack it when it did come over? Plymouth had 2 attacking players in Evans and Pepple who are robust and hard to play against. Their manager knew we were vulnerable on our heft side and made sure that either of them was always in that area against us.

[E10quence]

I'm with KenleyO. I too am sick of watching the team I love get beat every week

I've lost count of the number of players brought in here, during the last two seasons, but we're still so poor.

The common denominator is Richie Wellens.

Despite supporting him constantly, now im sick of him, & want him gone.

I'm sick of his defensive line ups, rarely more than one up front. There's a defensive vibe in the team. If we ever go 1 up, you know, we will then just try and defend that 1 goal lead. Its not how I want my team to play.

I'm also sick of Richie's pathetic avoid the fans/press crap lately, in which he sends out PT to face the press.

I would sack him this evening if I was in charge, put Pratt's in charge temporarily, & start looking for a new manager, first thing Monday morning

We just can't go in like this much longer

He has not changed the way he wants to play in the last 2-3 seasons. He is so predictable in the way we play that other teams can read us so easy .we have no plan B. We have players that in perhaps 2 years time can become really good. Yesterday we had 2 wingers who looked as if they did not know what to do with the ball and looked lost. Hence not many crosses and nobody to attack it when it did come over?

All the problems you identify here are issues with the coaching/tactics of the team. It's obvious to all of us, yet it doesn't seem to be to Richie.

His understanding of tactics seems to have ossified around 2019/2020 - when Poundland-Pep-ball was all the rage in EFL.

Now the game has shifted to a more physical, direct style of play - Arsenal are the peak example of this, but can see examples throughout the pyramid. We're also seeing more 'traditional' formations making a comeback (e.g. Plymouth played 4-4-2 yesterday).

Every game, his only diagnosis of the problems are "winning second balls" "doing the basics" "jumping at the right time" "transitions", rather than understanding that his whole tactical set-up and gameplan has been worked out and is too easily countered now.

Rather than try to evolve with the times, his only responses are: (1) switching to a 3-5-2 and (2) throwing on a load of random subs at 65 minutes. When neither of those work, he's got nothing else in the locker.

Utterly devoid of ideas, increasingly frustrated that one-trick-pony's one trick no longer tricks anyone.

[Houdini]

I'm with KenleyO. I too am sick of watching the team I love get beat every week

I've lost count of the number of players brought in here, during the last two seasons, but we're still so poor.

The common denominator is Richie Wellens.

Despite supporting him constantly, now im sick of him, & want him gone.

I'm sick of his defensive line ups, rarely more than one up front. There's a defensive vibe in the team. If we ever go 1 up, you know, we will then just try and defend that 1 goal lead. Its not how I want my team to play.

I'm also sick of Richie's pathetic avoid the fans/press crap lately, in which he sends out PT to face the press.

I would sack him this evening if I was in charge, put Pratt's in charge temporarily, & start looking for a new manager, first thing Monday morning

We just can't go in like this much longer

He has not changed the way he wants to play in the last 2-3 seasons. He is so predictable in the way we play that other teams can read us so easy .we have no plan B. We have players that in perhaps 2 years time can become really good. Yesterday we had 2 wingers who looked as if they did not know what to do with the ball and looked lost. Hence not many crosses and nobody to attack it when it did come over?

All the problems you identify here are issues with the coaching/tactics of the team. It's obvious to all of us, yet it doesn't seem to be to Richie.

His understanding of tactics seems to have ossified around 2019/2020 - when Poundland-Pep-ball was all the rage in EFL.

Now the game has shifted to a more physical, direct style of play - Arsenal are the peak example of this, but can see examples throughout the pyramid. We're also seeing more 'traditional' formations making a comeback (e.g. Plymouth played 4-4-2 yesterday).

Every game, his only diagnosis of the problems are "winning second balls" "doing the basics" "jumping at the right time" "transitions", rather than understanding that his whole tactical set-up and gameplan has been worked out and is too easily countered now.

Rather than try to evolve with the times, his only responses are: (1) switching to a 3-5-2 and (2) throwing on a load of random subs at 65 minutes. When neither of those work, he's got nothing else in the locker.

Utterly devoid of ideas, increasingly frustrated that one-trick-pony's one trick no longer tricks anyone.

100% This

[idontkn0 M]

Would be ok with seeing him go at this point with lots of grace and love for what he achieved and brought here. Unexplained media silence and keep whacking poor Charlie in there just seems odd and I’m done.

Seems enough in the squad for someone to come and kick on.

Understand as a father he might be seeing this as Charlie’s last chance to become a footballer really and having to go in on that. But obviously not ok for club/fans.

[BIGRON]

I still think Richie can pull this round , maybe it would help if people stopped slagging him off

[E10quence]

I still think Richie can pull this round , maybe it would help if people stopped slagging him off

What makes you think that?

Last season was a complete disaster. He was given a whole new, expensive, talented squad. Same problems, same results.

[Qin]

I still think Richie can pull this round , maybe it would help if people stopped slagging him off

I don't think it will Ron

Remember, he was terrible last season, we only stayed in the league because Bradford beat Exeter on the last day of the season. It's gone on too long.

I'm not sure Richie's engaging anymore, he's had enough, and most fans have had enough of him. A change will do us good

Orient have lost more home league matches in 2026, than any other team in the entire EFL.

Is time Richie went

[redintheface]

I still think Richie can pull this round , maybe it would help if people stopped slagging him off

I don't think it will Ron

Remember, he was terrible last season, we only stayed in the league because Bradford beat Exeter on the last day of the season. It's gone on too long.

I'm not sure Richie's engaging anymore, he's had enough, and most fans have had enough of him. A change will do us good

Orient have lost more home league matches in 2026, than any other team in the entire EFL.

Is time Richie went

I have to agree, if only on the basis of just how divisive an issue his continued presence has now become amongst supporters.

[VeganO]

I must admit that I'm quite torn & of course we are only 8 games in.
What bothers me is his failure to fulfill media duties, his insistence on playing Charlie,who is no more than a squad player, in the first 11 & so far his inability to get the best out of an expensively assembled squad - not necessarily in that order.
There is little doubt in my view that we should be top 6 with the players we have.
If things continue to go awry then Richie cannot be given too long a period to turn it around otherwise this will be a wasted season.
I just feel that Richie's personality will eventually be his downfall.

[RedDwarf 1881]

I'm with KenleyO. I too am sick of watching the team I love get beat every week

I've lost count of the number of players brought in here, during the last two seasons, but we're still so poor.

The common denominator is Richie Wellens.

Despite supporting him constantly, now im sick of him, & want him gone.

I'm sick of his defensive line ups, rarely more than one up front. There's a defensive vibe in the team. If we ever go 1 up, you know, we will then just try and defend that 1 goal lead. Its not how I want my team to play.

I'm also sick of Richie's pathetic avoid the fans/press crap lately, in which he sends out PT to face the press.

I would sack him this evening if I was in charge, put Pratt's in charge temporarily, & start looking for a new manager, first thing Monday morning

We just can't go in like this much longer

I agree with everything you said. The trouble is it’s going to cost the club a lot of money to get rid of him and he knows that. He has not changed the way he wants to play in the last 2-3 seasons. He is so predictable in the way we play that other teams can read us so easy .we have no plan B. We have players that in perhaps 2 years time can become really good. Yesterday we had 2 wingers who looked as if they did not know what to do with the ball and looked lost. Hence not many crosses and nobody to attack it when it did come over? Plymouth had 2 attacking players in Evans and Pepple who are robust and hard to play against. Their manager knew we were vulnerable on our heft side and made sure that either of them was always in that area against us.

This having no plan B argument was also said about Russell Slade and Kenny Jackett .

[Bandy Legs]

I don’t think there’s any hate. Just disappointment that we've got to this point. Majority of fans back Wellens, but not slavishly. His constant selection of Nepo is baffling considering the options we have and his non-showing for media duties just looks petulant.

Oh theres hate, some bod on fb just saie " don't care if he won us the champions league, I'd still hate him !

I think it’s been proven conclusively by this point that Facebook is a blight on humanity.

Can't disagree but there are 6,500 on 1 FBoke group
& anothrr 6,500 on another fb group dedicated to the O's

Now they could just be the same people & the opinions spread like the latest tik tok craze.

[Bandy Legs]

I still think Richie can pull this round , maybe it would help if people stopped slagging him off

I don't think it will Ron

Remember, he was terrible last season, we only stayed in the league because Bradford beat Exeter on the last day of the season. It's gone on too long.

I'm not sure Richie's engaging anymore, he's had enough, and most fans have had enough of him. A change will do us good

Orient have lost more home league matches in 2026, than any other team in the entire EFL.

Is time Richie went

Nope,
We stayed in the league because over 46 games
We won more points than Exeter .

Always spreading false facts

[Orientnil]

Have we forgotten how grown ups behave when things don't go their way? And after all the practice we've had as Os fans?
'Lost to a better side on Saturday, Need to stand up straight boys and get over it. So does Richie, of course - gotta stop looking in the mirror and start geeing up the lads. Miserable sod didn't even bring us back a bit of Skeggie rock!

[faith1234]

I was just listening to the podcast and it was saying that Richie is in the gantry

[Bandy Legs]

I'm with KenleyO. I too am sick of watching the team I love get beat every week

I've lost count of the number of players brought in here, during the last two seasons, but we're still so poor.

The common denominator is Richie Wellens.

Despite supporting him constantly, now im sick of him, & want him gone.

I'm sick of his defensive line ups, rarely more than one up front. There's a defensive vibe in the team. If we ever go 1 up, you know, we will then just try and defend that 1 goal lead. Its not how I want my team to play.

I'm also sick of Richie's pathetic avoid the fans/press crap lately, in which he sends out PT to face the press.

I would sack him this evening if I was in charge, put Pratt's in charge temporarily, & start looking for a new manager, first thing Monday morning

We just can't go in like this much longer

He has not changed the way he wants to play in the last 2-3 seasons. He is so predictable in the way we play that other teams can read us so easy .we have no plan B. We have players that in perhaps 2 years time can become really good. Yesterday we had 2 wingers who looked as if they did not know what to do with the ball and looked lost. Hence not many crosses and nobody to attack it when it did come over?

All the problems you identify here are issues with the coaching/tactics of the team. It's obvious to all of us, yet it doesn't seem to be to Richie.

His understanding of tactics seems to have ossified around 2019/2020 - when Poundland-Pep-ball was all the rage in EFL.

Now the game has shifted to a more physical, direct style of play - Arsenal are the peak example of this, but can see examples throughout the pyramid. We're also seeing more 'traditional' formations making a comeback (e.g. Plymouth played 4-4-2 yesterday).

Every game, his only diagnosis of the problems are "winning second balls" "doing the basics" "jumping at the right time" "transitions", rather than understanding that his whole tactical set-up and gameplan has been worked out and is too easily countered now.

Rather than try to evolve with the times, his only responses are: (1) switching to a 3-5-2 and (2) throwing on a load of random subs at 65 minutes. When neither of those work, he's got nothing else in the locker.

Utterly devoid of ideas, increasingly frustrated that one-trick-pony's one trick no longer tricks anyone.

Have we not played
3-4-2-1
4-1-41
5-3-2
4-2-3-1
4-3-3
during the last 3 full seasons & the start of this season.
These made up beliefs by all on here & say we have only 1 way of playing
Is rather strange when we have literally played different
Systems during the Entirety of the Wellens era.
Im pretty sure we even had a couple of games with 4-4-2 thrown in as well.

[E10quence]

Have we not played
3-4-2-1
4-1-41
5-3-2
4-2-3-1
4-3-3

Never consistently and, even if we have notionally played those formations, in reality they're often just slight variations on 4-2-3-1 or 3-5-2/5-3-2 due to the personnel on the field being played out-of-position.

The patterns of play (i.e. horseshoe of death) and offensive/defensive shapes rarely change.

[Bandy Legs]

Have we not played
3-4-2-1
4-1-41
5-3-2
4-2-3-1
4-3-3

Never consistently and, even if we have notionally played those formations, in reality they're often just slight variations on 4-2-3-1 or 3-5-2/5-3-2 due to the personnel on the field being played out-of-position.

The patterns of play (i.e. horseshoe of death) and offensive/defensive shapes rarely change.

So we do play with a plan b or c or d
Cheers for proving my point.
He's literally a genius compared to Vacuum & his enablers of the wj1
Instead of calling henri the vaccum out as some sort of Hateful Troll that he clearly is

[Hoover Attack]

I must admit that I'm quite torn & of course we are only 8 games in.
What bothers me is his failure to fulfill media duties, his insistence on playing Charlie,who is no more than a squad player, in the first 11 & so far his inability to get the best out of an expensively assembled squad - not necessarily in that order.
There is little doubt in my view that we should be top 6 with the players we have.
If things continue to go awry then Richie cannot be given too long a period to turn it around otherwise this will be a wasted season.
I just feel that Richie's personality will eventually be his downfall.

All these things are linked. It all comes down to consistently playing his non League standard son.

[Hoover Attack]

Have we not played
3-4-2-1
4-1-41
5-3-2
4-2-3-1
4-3-3

Never consistently and, even if we have notionally played those formations, in reality they're often just slight variations on 4-2-3-1 or 3-5-2/5-3-2 due to the personnel on the field being played out-of-position.

The patterns of play (i.e. horseshoe of death) and offensive/defensive shapes rarely change.

The horseshoe of death