Hong Kong

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

Hong Kong was part of China before the UK. Perhaps people should migrate to China and not the UK. Back to their roots.

[Chief crazy horse]

Come on doh, surely you don't mean that ! Citizens of Hong Kong want to maintain their democracy and freedom as opposed to living under communism,and who can blame them. You expect them to step back into that way of life ? I'm with the protesters all the way.

[spen666]

.... I'm with the protesters all the way.

I'm with the Woolwich

[BIGRON]

.... I'm with the protesters all the way.

I'm with the Woolwich

I'm with err indoors, she's a big old lump and i ain't gonna argue with her .

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

Come on doh, surely you don't mean that ! Citizens of Hong Kong want to maintain their democracy and freedom as opposed to living under communism,and who can blame them. You expect them to step back into that way of life ? I'm with the protesters all the way.

Our days as some imperial Empire ruling force with responsibilities over vast areas of this planet are long since gone. We have no responsibility to be a safe haven for vast numbers of distressed people across the globe because of domestic issues.

My view has nothing to do with people wanting democracy and freedom, nor with having sympathy with the protestors. This idea of mass migration to the UK because we ran the place for a while is nonsense.

[tuffers#1]

Come on doh, surely you don't mean that ! Citizens of Hong Kong want to maintain their democracy and freedom as opposed to living under communism,and who can blame them. You expect them to step back into that way of life ? I'm with the protesters all the way.

Seriously , you think China is still a Communist Country ?


FFS that is Comedy Gold.

A 1 Party Nation who are Totalitarian, but understand what new Capitalism is maybe

To quote an article.

" In 2000, just four percent of China'surban population was considered to bemiddle class, rising to over 30 percent in 2018. A study by consulting firm McKinsey & Company projects that 76 percent of China's urban population will enter the middle income bracket
by 2022".

13 Feb 2019


https://www.google.com/search?ei=0X6TXc ... J-pO1Cfwww

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

Come on doh, surely you don't mean that ! Citizens of Hong Kong want to maintain their democracy and freedom as opposed to living under communism,and who can blame them. You expect them to step back into that way of life ? I'm with the protesters all the way.

Seriously , you think China is still a Communist Country ?


FFS that is Comedy Gold.

A 1 Party Nation who are Totalitarian, but understand what new Capitalism is maybe

To quote an article.

" In 2000, just four percent of China'surban population was considered to bemiddle class, rising to over 30 percent in 2018. A study by consulting firm McKinsey & Company projects that 76 percent of China's urban population will enter the middle income bracket
by 2022".

13 Feb 2019


https://www.google.com/search?ei=0X6TXc ... J-pO1Cfwww

Went to China a couple of years ago. The guide boasted that Shanghai has more millionaires per square mile than any other city in the world. The fact that it also contains a multitude of beggars ignore the them and us culture that was evident.

And what a mega city I saw. Not to mention shopping areas for the affluent.

[Chief crazy horse]

Come on doh, surely you don't mean that ! Citizens of Hong Kong want to maintain their democracy and freedom as opposed to living under communism,and who can blame them. You expect them to step back into that way of life ? I'm with the protesters all the way.

Our days as some imperial Empire ruling force with responsibilities over vast areas of this planet are long since gone. We have no responsibility to be a safe haven for vast numbers of distressed people across the globe because of domestic issues.

My view has nothing to do with people wanting democracy and freedom, nor with having sympathy with the protestors. This idea of mass migration to the UK because we ran the place for a while is nonsense.

Well yes, we know those days are long gone, but you're never going to win the old colonial exploitation argument no matter how long ago it was.

[tuffers#1]

Come on doh, surely you don't mean that ! Citizens of Hong Kong want to maintain their democracy and freedom as opposed to living under communism,and who can blame them. You expect them to step back into that way of life ? I'm with the protesters all the way.

Seriously , you think China is still a Communist Country ?


FFS that is Comedy Gold.

A 1 Party Nation who are Totalitarian, but understand what new Capitalism is maybe

To quote an article.

" In 2000, just four percent of China'surban population was considered to bemiddle class, rising to over 30 percent in 2018. A study by consulting firm McKinsey & Company projects that 76 percent of China's urban population will enter the middle income bracket
by 2022".

13 Feb 2019


https://www.google.com/search?ei=0X6TXc ... J-pO1Cfwww

Went to China a couple of years ago. The guide boasted that Shanghai has more millionaires per square mile than any other city in the world. The fact that it also contains a multitude of beggars ignore the them and us culture that was evident.

And what a mega city I saw. Not to mention shopping areas for the affluent.

China a New order is a great series to show how China has changed , yet still stayed the same in some small ways.

Your quote on the beggars reminds me of a time when The US of A sent a $1,000,000 to poland as aid for something which i cant quite remember what for,
As he felt this was an insult , the polish president sent a Million mattresses to the U.S for there homeless..

In other words if.you can only give a $1,000,000 you are in trouble, so here are some mettresses for your homeless.

Imagine the richest nation in the world have another poor country getting its mattresses for it.

[Chief crazy horse]

Come on doh, surely you don't mean that ! Citizens of Hong Kong want to maintain their democracy and freedom as opposed to living under communism,and who can blame them. You expect them to step back into that way of life ? I'm with the protesters all the way.

Seriously , you think China is still a Communist Country ?


FFS that is Comedy Gold.

A 1 Party Nation who are Totalitarian, but understand what new Capitalism is maybe

To quote an article.

" In 2000, just four percent of China'surban population was considered to bemiddle class, rising to over 30 percent in 2018. A study by consulting firm McKinsey & Company projects that 76 percent of China's urban population will enter the middle income bracket
by 2022".

13 Feb 2019


https://www.google.com/search?ei=0X6TXc ... J-pO1Cfwww

Look, I'm not going to get into the whys and wherefores as to what communism is in modern China today. I'm also aware of the amount of millionaires, and your quoting of middle income stats. So what? Their human rights, apart from other things, stinks. Call it what you want, but I'd rather live in Hong Kong than China any day of the week.
And what a stupid quip about comedy gold, as if to show how learned (supposedly) you are on the subject. That's comedy of its own...

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

China was an interesting country. Toured around. Shanghai was a superb place, but the slums too were a disgrace. Saw a factory where suicide levels were high, people forced to work away from home in difficult conditions. and it was reported openly. The tour guide also boasted at the speed they built their railway and road network, puts us to shame, however also saw some of the workers camps. Stacked porta cabins. Not nice. Was told people were just moved away from their homes if the state needed their land for development. The state rules, end of.

The contrast was amazing. Designer shops with high price goods not far from beggars missing limbs neglected by the state. People in smart clothing in fine eateries, starving elsewhere. Beijing, Not too sure how much I saw through the smog, did see a neglected Olympic area going downhill fast.

Hong Kong was a great place too with high priced shops and cheap markets full of porno. But far less poverty as far as I could see.

Human rights? Hong Kong appeared far more "European" in its outlook. China. The state rules. quite different.

[tuffers#1]

China was an interesting country. Toured around. Shanghai was a superb place, but the slums too were a disgrace. Saw a factory where suicide levels were high, people forced to work away from home in difficult conditions. and it was reported openly. The tour guide also boasted at the speed they built their railway and road network, puts us to shame, however also saw some of the workers camps. Stacked porta cabins. Not nice. Was told people were just moved away from their homes if the state needed their land for development. The state rules, end of.

The contrast was amazing. Designer shops with high price goods not far from beggars missing limbs neglected by the state. People in smart clothing in fine eateries, starving elsewhere. Beijing, Not too sure how much I saw through the smog, did see a neglected Olympic area going downhill fast.

Hong Kong was a great place too with high priced shops and cheap markets full of porno. But far less poverty as far as I could see.

Human rights? Hong Kong appeared far more "European" in its outlook. China. The state rules. quite different.

Good interview last night on newsnight last night or 2 about the situation in Honk Kong laying firmly
The blame at Britains door. For continuously inflicting a European belief on native born Hong kongers
( Chinese heritage) the belief China never should be trusted .

Your description of designer shop & beggars reminds me very.much of my last.stroll around Bond street to piccadilly circus cutting in & around the place finally down Regent street
The amount of rough sleepers & beggars was shocking.

Cant say there where any limbless people which is a saving grace i suppose.

[tuffers#1]

Come on doh, surely you don't mean that ! Citizens of Hong Kong want to maintain their democracy and freedom as opposed to living under communism,and who can blame them. You expect them to step back into that way of life ? I'm with the protesters all the way.

Seriously , you think China is still a Communist Country ?


FFS that is Comedy Gold.

A 1 Party Nation who are Totalitarian, but understand what new Capitalism is maybe

To quote an article.

" In 2000, just four percent of China'surban population was considered to bemiddle class, rising to over 30 percent in 2018. A study by consulting firm McKinsey & Company projects that 76 percent of China's urban population will enter the middle income bracket
by 2022".

13 Feb 2019


https://www.google.com/search?ei=0X6TXc ... J-pO1Cfwww

Look, I'm not going to get into the whys and wherefores as to what communism is in modern China today. I'm also aware of the amount of millionaires, and your quoting of middle income stats. So what? Their human rights, apart from other things, stinks. Call it what you want, but I'd rather live in Hong Kong than China any day of the week.
And what a stupid quip about comedy gold, as if to show how learned (supposedly) you are on the subject. That's comedy of its own...

You do know that the country.that had more human rights abuses up until the late 1980s was the UK
Dont you. Not even Israel , Saudi Arabia or any other freak state had surpassed the UK at that point

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

China was an interesting country. Toured around. Shanghai was a superb place, but the slums too were a disgrace. Saw a factory where suicide levels were high, people forced to work away from home in difficult conditions. and it was reported openly. The tour guide also boasted at the speed they built their railway and road network, puts us to shame, however also saw some of the workers camps. Stacked porta cabins. Not nice. Was told people were just moved away from their homes if the state needed their land for development. The state rules, end of.

The contrast was amazing. Designer shops with high price goods not far from beggars missing limbs neglected by the state. People in smart clothing in fine eateries, starving elsewhere. Beijing, Not too sure how much I saw through the smog, did see a neglected Olympic area going downhill fast.

Hong Kong was a great place too with high priced shops and cheap markets full of porno. But far less poverty as far as I could see.

Human rights? Hong Kong appeared far more "European" in its outlook. China. The state rules. quite different.

Good interview last night on newsnight last night or 2 about the situation in Honk Kong laying firmly
The blame at Britains door. For continuously inflicting a European belief on native born Hong kongers
( Chinese heritage) the belief China never should be trusted .

Your description of designer shop & beggars reminds me very.much of my last.stroll around Bond street to piccadilly circus cutting in & around the place finally down Regent street
The amount of rough sleepers & beggars was shocking.

Cant say there where any limbless people which is a saving grace i suppose.

Have travelled the world, often if possible off the tourist trail. The contract between rich and poor can be seen everywhere. Even in my home town tbh. London for sure is no exception.

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

Seriously , you think China is still a Communist Country ?


FFS that is Comedy Gold.

A 1 Party Nation who are Totalitarian, but understand what new Capitalism is maybe

To quote an article.

" In 2000, just four percent of China'surban population was considered to bemiddle class, rising to over 30 percent in 2018. A study by consulting firm McKinsey & Company projects that 76 percent of China's urban population will enter the middle income bracket
by 2022".

13 Feb 2019


https://www.google.com/search?ei=0X6TXc ... J-pO1Cfwww

Look, I'm not going to get into the whys and wherefores as to what communism is in modern China today. I'm also aware of the amount of millionaires, and your quoting of middle income stats. So what? Their human rights, apart from other things, stinks. Call it what you want, but I'd rather live in Hong Kong than China any day of the week.
And what a stupid quip about comedy gold, as if to show how learned (supposedly) you are on the subject. That's comedy of its own...

You do know that the country.that had more human rights abuses up until the late 1980s was the UK
Dont you. Not even Israel , Saudi Arabia or any other freak state had surpassed the UK at that point

Always worried about stats like that and in fact how accurate they really are. I'm not convinced, for example, too many people in China would dare report human rights abuses, those that do "disappear". That we rate so highly may be simply that people can report them without fear of comeback. It could be a stat that just as easily indicates how fair a society we are.

[Beradogs]

China was an interesting country. Toured around. Shanghai was a superb place, but the slums too were a disgrace. Saw a factory where suicide levels were high, people forced to work away from home in difficult conditions. and it was reported openly. The tour guide also boasted at the speed they built their railway and road network, puts us to shame, however also saw some of the workers camps. Stacked porta cabins. Not nice. Was told people were just moved away from their homes if the state needed their land for development. The state rules, end of.

The contrast was amazing. Designer shops with high price goods not far from beggars missing limbs neglected by the state. People in smart clothing in fine eateries, starving elsewhere. Beijing, Not too sure how much I saw through the smog, did see a neglected Olympic area going downhill fast.

Hong Kong was a great place too with high priced shops and cheap markets full of porno. But far less poverty as far as I could see.

Human rights? Hong Kong appeared far more "European" in its outlook. China. The state rules. quite different.

Good interview last night on newsnight last night or 2 about the situation in Honk Kong laying firmly
The blame at Britains door. For continuously inflicting a European belief on native born Hong kongers
( Chinese heritage) the belief China never should be trusted .

Your description of designer shop & beggars reminds me very.much of my last.stroll around Bond street to piccadilly circus cutting in & around the place finally down Regent street
The amount of rough sleepers & beggars was shocking.

Cant say there where any limbless people which is a saving grace i suppose.

Fukk you spew some crap.

[Chief crazy horse]

Seriously , you think China is still a Communist Country ?


FFS that is Comedy Gold.

A 1 Party Nation who are Totalitarian, but understand what new Capitalism is maybe

To quote an article.

" In 2000, just four percent of China'surban population was considered to bemiddle class, rising to over 30 percent in 2018. A study by consulting firm McKinsey & Company projects that 76 percent of China's urban population will enter the middle income bracket
by 2022".

13 Feb 2019


https://www.google.com/search?ei=0X6TXc ... J-pO1Cfwww

Look, I'm not going to get into the whys and wherefores as to what communism is in modern China today. I'm also aware of the amount of millionaires, and your quoting of middle income stats. So what? Their human rights, apart from other things, stinks. Call it what you want, but I'd rather live in Hong Kong than China any day of the week.
And what a stupid quip about comedy gold, as if to show how learned (supposedly) you are on the subject. That's comedy of its own...

You do know that the country.that had more human rights abuses up until the late 1980s was the UK
Dont you. Not even Israel , Saudi Arabia or any other freak state had surpassed the UK at that point

No, I didn't know that. Now you've really got me thinking. It's sounding a great country after all. I wonder what the property market is like in Beijing..

[tuffers#1]

Look, I'm not going to get into the whys and wherefores as to what communism is in modern China today. I'm also aware of the amount of millionaires, and your quoting of middle income stats. So what? Their human rights, apart from other things, stinks. Call it what you want, but I'd rather live in Hong Kong than China any day of the week.
And what a stupid quip about comedy gold, as if to show how learned (supposedly) you are on the subject. That's comedy of its own...

You do know that the country.that had more human rights abuses up until the late 1980s was the UK
Dont you. Not even Israel , Saudi Arabia or any other freak state had surpassed the UK at that point

Always worried about stats like that and in fact how accurate they really are. I'm not convinced, for example, too many people in China would dare report human rights abuses, those that do "disappear". That we rate so highly may be simply that people can report them without fear of comeback. It could be a stat that just as easily indicates how fair a society we are.

When i quote Human Rights Doh , I am going only by those brought by lawyers to countries that have
Broken some UN Human rights act .

The uk was always head of that list , mostly due to Abuses caused in Ireland but in no way
Only because of their.

I will agree that many countries.would not allow Human rights groups to investigate or give access to
Those abused , but that alone would lead to a black mark on UN Human rights statutes.

Trouble is something like Tiananmen square would only be classed as 1 abuse.
Even though thousands may have dissapeared etc.

[Disoriented]

China was an interesting country. Toured around. Shanghai was a superb place, but the slums too were a disgrace. Saw a factory where suicide levels were high, people forced to work away from home in difficult conditions. and it was reported openly. The tour guide also boasted at the speed they built their railway and road network, puts us to shame, however also saw some of the workers camps. Stacked porta cabins. Not nice. Was told people were just moved away from their homes if the state needed their land for development. The state rules, end of.

The contrast was amazing. Designer shops with high price goods not far from beggars missing limbs neglected by the state. People in smart clothing in fine eateries, starving elsewhere. Beijing, Not too sure how much I saw through the smog, did see a neglected Olympic area going downhill fast.

Hong Kong was a great place too with high priced shops and cheap markets full of porno. But far less poverty as far as I could see.

Human rights? Hong Kong appeared far more "European" in its outlook. China. The state rules. quite different.

Good interview last night on newsnight last night or 2 about the situation in Honk Kong laying firmly
The blame at Britains door. For continuously inflicting a European belief on native born Hong kongers
( Chinese heritage) the belief China never should be trusted .

Your description of designer shop & beggars reminds me very.much of my last.stroll around Bond street to piccadilly circus cutting in & around the place finally down Regent street
The amount of rough sleepers & beggars was shocking.

Cant say there where any limbless people which is a saving grace i suppose.

Have travelled the world, often if possible off the tourist trail. The contract between rich and poor can be seen everywhere. Even in my home town tbh. London for sure is no exception.

The world according to Prez Biz - what a truly frightening thought.

[tuffers#1]

China was an interesting country. Toured around. Shanghai was a superb place, but the slums too were a disgrace. Saw a factory where suicide levels were high, people forced to work away from home in difficult conditions. and it was reported openly. The tour guide also boasted at the speed they built their railway and road network, puts us to shame, however also saw some of the workers camps. Stacked porta cabins. Not nice. Was told people were just moved away from their homes if the state needed their land for development. The state rules, end of.

The contrast was amazing. Designer shops with high price goods not far from beggars missing limbs neglected by the state. People in smart clothing in fine eateries, starving elsewhere. Beijing, Not too sure how much I saw through the smog, did see a neglected Olympic area going downhill fast.

Hong Kong was a great place too with high priced shops and cheap markets full of porno. But far less poverty as far as I could see.

Human rights? Hong Kong appeared far more "European" in its outlook. China. The state rules. quite different.

Good interview last night on newsnight last night or 2 about the situation in Honk Kong laying firmly
The blame at Britains door. For continuously inflicting a European belief on native born Hong kongers
( Chinese heritage) the belief China never should be trusted .

Your description of designer shop & beggars reminds me very.much of my last.stroll around Bond street to piccadilly circus cutting in & around the place finally down Regent street
The amount of rough sleepers & beggars was shocking.

Cant say there where any limbless people which is a saving grace i suppose.

Fukk you spew some crap.

What,
repeating what was said in an interview on an award winning news show or
My stroll through Affluent London ?

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

Good interview last night on newsnight last night or 2 about the situation in Honk Kong laying firmly
The blame at Britains door. For continuously inflicting a European belief on native born Hong kongers
( Chinese heritage) the belief China never should be trusted .

Your description of designer shop & beggars reminds me very.much of my last.stroll around Bond street to piccadilly circus cutting in & around the place finally down Regent street
The amount of rough sleepers & beggars was shocking.

Cant say there where any limbless people which is a saving grace i suppose.

Have travelled the world, often if possible off the tourist trail. The contract between rich and poor can be seen everywhere. Even in my home town tbh. London for sure is no exception.

The world according to Prez Biz - what a truly frightening thought.

Not a bed of roses for sure, travel broadens the mind.

[tuffers#1]

Look, I'm not going to get into the whys and wherefores as to what communism is in modern China today. I'm also aware of the amount of millionaires, and your quoting of middle income stats. So what? Their human rights, apart from other things, stinks. Call it what you want, but I'd rather live in Hong Kong than China any day of the week.
And what a stupid quip about comedy gold, as if to show how learned (supposedly) you are on the subject. That's comedy of its own...

You do know that the country.that had more human rights abuses up until the late 1980s was the UK
Dont you. Not even Israel , Saudi Arabia or any other freak state had surpassed the UK at that point

No, I didn't know that. Now you've really got me thinking. It's sounding a great country after all. I wonder what the property market is like in Beijing..

I have a friend who has a house in Ilford
Bit of a computer geek

Ran some security system for amex ,
Left then went to head Hackney Councils
Financial mess after it had been embezeled for so many years.
Got things sorted & after 4 years , buggered off to China to help.run & set up
1 of the Eton type schools over there.

Loves it out there.

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

You do know that the country.that had more human rights abuses up until the late 1980s was the UK
Dont you. Not even Israel , Saudi Arabia or any other freak state had surpassed the UK at that point

Always worried about stats like that and in fact how accurate they really are. I'm not convinced, for example, too many people in China would dare report human rights abuses, those that do "disappear". That we rate so highly may be simply that people can report them without fear of comeback. It could be a stat that just as easily indicates how fair a society we are.

When i quote Human Rights Doh , I am going only by those brought by lawyers to countries that have
Broken some UN Human rights act .

The uk was always head of that list , mostly due to Abuses caused in Ireland but in no way
Only because.of there.

I will agree that many countries.would not allow Human rights groups to investigate or give access to
Those abused , but that alone would lead to a black mark on UN Human rights statutes.

Trouble is something like Tiananmen square would only be classed as 1 abuse.
Even though thousands may have dissapearee etc.

Took the opportunity to raise Tiananmen square with the Chinese tour guide on our coach when we went there. Being the irritating person I am. Seems guides are free to talk about the "truth" now though they admit to it being a communications lock down at the time.

Apparently what all the fuss was about was people, students in particular, protesting against the lack of state control. Yup, the lack of state control I kid you not. They wanted to state to take a firmer grip feeling things were slipping.

[tuffers#1]

I can well believe that Doh.

For those who think China is a Communist Country only

Here are a couple of links just offering a different perspective while admitting
It still holds its core beliefs.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washin ... utType=amp

https://www.futurelearn.com/courses/pol ... teps/30823

Both good reads.


Its still a country that has its problems but what country doesnt.

Any Country that can produce a person as brave as
Wang Weilin ( alledged to be Tank Man )
Knowing full well what was likely going to happen to him is a country to have an interest in.

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

I can well believe that Doh.

For those who think China is a Communist Country only

Here are a couple of links just offering a different perspective while admitting
It still holds its core beliefs.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washin ... utType=amp

https://www.futurelearn.com/courses/pol ... teps/30823

Both good reads.


Its still a country that has its problems but what country doesnt.

Any Country that can produce a person as brave as
Wang Weilin ( alledged to be Tank Man )
Knowing full well what was likely going to happen to him is a country to have an interest in.

Really good reads. Ill read again when I have more time to take it in. Capitalist or Communist. Fine line in China.