Boris - prorogation unlawful

[DonaldRocks]

But well done for betting on the currency so you gain personally from all this chaos.

Beginning to think he is related to Reece Mogg. He is doing the same thing.

[WickfordO]

What a deceitful, dangerous tw@t. Though we knew that already. I feel genuinely ashamed that he is our PM.

Is there anybody who is anywhere near better than BJ in the BSh-ting Tory party. I don't think so. Ever since the witch was in No.10 every Tory that I have come across is so selfish and couldn't give a monkeys about anybody else, so whoever takes over will be just as bad.

[y o y o y]

Cant see him resigning unless forced to. Opposition want him to resign but dont want an election yet. So I guess the current outlook is

extension
election
???????

Execution?

[WickfordO]

Even as a Brexshit voter, cant complain about this. MPs can now get back to thwarting the will of the people.

Which they have been doing ever since the MAJORITY voted to leave the corrupt infested EU.

[DonaldRocks]

I think Boris only got the job as most of the Conservatives are sitting back and thinking, "you got us into this mess now get us out of it". I don't think they believe he can or will deliver and most of them can say we gave you the gig and you failed to deliver.

[WickfordO]

Another Tory bunfight of an leadership election?
Miss another leaving date?
Someone has to ask for an extention?
Government of National Unity?
Referendum mk 2?
General election?

but not necessarily in that order.

Mikero

Think we need to face facts. Brexit is unlikely to happen. Despite Boris still talking about leaving, can’t see it happening. The will of the majority will lose out to the will of the minority because its easy to just continually put barriers in the way.

Time to call a halt to this farce, another referendum or an election is the only way forward. The only winners are the EU who will be invigorated, feeling they can do whatever they want and the Uk will just meekly comply.

"The will of the majority will lose out to the will of the minority"

Isn't that what democracy is all about.

[Thor]

Hopefully a new world of politics will open up after this. We need change and the present parties are not capable of delivering it.

[WickfordO]

Boris is a chancer. Always his style. He takes a position and will do everything he can to get his way. The fact that he was courageously trying to enforce the will of the people and sort out an utter mess don’t make it right. But nobody can doubt where he stands. Whether you agree with his views or not, his views are clear.

Some would say so much better to have a leader who cannot make up his mind, dithers, switches positions, sits on the fence, procrastinates until after an election is better. But I guess doing and saying nothing means you won’t break the law. Something to be said for lacking courage.

Away and bile yer heid. There us nothing courageous about subverting democracy. It's dangerous and you know that so stop writing like a 14 year old troll.

The democracy was trying to implement the outcome of the referendum Max. The way he went about it was plain stupid. I would suggest it’s the remainers who continually subvert democracy.

I would suggest it’s the remainers who continually subvert democracy.

Here Here!

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

But nobody can doubt where he stands. Whether you agree with his views or not, his views are clear.

Are you writing about Boris Johnson? He continually changes his viewpoint depending on the way the political wind blows.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck ... -on-europe

His stance on Brexit has been clear for a long time. This is what we are talking about and that was where he broke the law.

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

Hopefully a new world of politics will open up after this. We need change and the present parties are not capable of delivering it.

Neither of the main parties are fit to govern in my opinion. But I’m not too sure what the answer is. I’ve never been so dissatisfied. Labour are missing a trick by sticking with Corbyn whose own aide is critical. Get someone decent in, fast, but that won’t be allowed. As for the Tories, I struggle to see anyone capable to take over.

What a sodding mess.

[Max B Gold]

Hopefully a new world of politics will open up after this. We need change and the present parties are not capable of delivering it.

Neither of the main parties are fit to govern in my opinion. But I’m not too sure what the answer is. I’ve never been so dissatisfied. Labour are missing a trick by sticking with Corbyn whose own aide is critical. Get someone decent in, fast, but that won’t be allowed. As for the Tories, I struggle to see anyone capable to take over.

What a sodding mess.

You sound a bit down mate. If its a plague on all their houses is where you are at, might I suggest Anarcho-Syndicalism.

[one o in huntingdon]

Arrogant b*stard, just seen him speak on the news, thinks the judges are wrong
No hint of an apology, can he be impeached for this, chuck in giving his tart thousands of pounds too

[LittleMate]

You see max as you know a law was passed, but the pm said he won't ask for an extension, which puts him against parliament. I guess he losses that battle, probably goes to jail, but we leave with no deal?

Cummings appears to be dodgy, and you cant trust people like that.

Is he not compulsed to send his government to Brussels and ask for an extension? If he fails to do that then he might go to jail but more than likely he will be ousted by a government of national unity who will undertake this and a few other tasks before then letting the electorate decide on a new government.

If I agreed to buy a house 3 and a quarter years ago, then I think I should have the right to revisit that decision before signing. With the brexit vote having such a small (but decisive) majority for leave, I think that we should be able to have a second referendum. We all understand the issues much better now. Even if the vote was only between a negotiated and a hard brexit, I feel we need a vote. I can't believe in anyone's lifetime we'd get a majority for a hard brexit.

[Max B Gold]

Arrogant b*stard, just seen him speak on the news, thinks the judges are wrong
No hint of an apology, can he be impeached for this, chuck in giving his tart thousands of pounds too

Lies to Lizzie the Head of State
Subverts parliamentary democracy
Ignores the Rule of Law

Is there anyone else in recent times who had this MO?

[Beradogs]

Yes. But it wouldn’t have taken you 3 years to buy a house. You would already be sitting in it. Having regrets, or not. The reason why it has been so difficult is that Theresa May’s treaty was never brexit. Whatever brexit she bought back labour would not back it. And the majority of parliament don’t want to leave. It’s not difficult. There is a concerted effort through the heart of the establishment backed by the EU to make us vote again. Like every other country that tried to leave. You know it. I know it. As far as Boris Johnson is concerned. I don’t think he wants to leave either. He just took the other side of the trade to further his career. Johnson’s family are liberals and he is a liberal.

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

Hopefully a new world of politics will open up after this. We need change and the present parties are not capable of delivering it.

Neither of the main parties are fit to govern in my opinion. But I’m not too sure what the answer is. I’ve never been so dissatisfied. Labour are missing a trick by sticking with Corbyn whose own aide is critical. Get someone decent in, fast, but that won’t be allowed. As for the Tories, I struggle to see anyone capable to take over.

What a sodding mess.

You sound a bit down mate. If its a plague on all their houses is where you are at, might I suggest Anarcho-Syndicalism.

Max. I was down when Corbyn got elected to lead labour and the thugs took over the party. No longer the party I’ve supported much of my life. Then again the warning signs were there with Ed Milliband.

Had hopes of Cameron but he fecked it up then went off to avoid the resulting mess, same for Gideon.

Since then I’ve grown sick of the whole lot, me, I’d vote for Guy Faulks. He had the right idea after all.

[StillSpike]

Yes. But it wouldn’t have taken you 3 years to buy a house. You would already be sitting in it. Having regrets, or not. The reason why it has been so difficult is that Theresa May’s treaty was never brexit. Whatever brexit she bought back labour would not back it. And the majority of parliament don’t want to leave. It’s not difficult. There is a concerted effort through the heart of the establishment backed by the EU to make us vote again. Like every other country that tried to leave. You know it. I know it. As far as Boris Johnson is concerned. I don’t think he wants to leave either. He just took the other side of the trade to further his career. Johnson’s family are liberals and he is a liberal.

Do you not think that there's a chance that the reason it's been so difficult is that it was never, ever, going to be as simple as the Leave campaign kept telling us it would be (some might say they were lying to us)? Do you maybe think that people might have been less inclined to vote Leave had they know that?

[StillSpike]

Yes. But it wouldn’t have taken you 3 years to buy a house. You would already be sitting in it. Having regrets, or not. The reason why it has been so difficult is that Theresa May’s treaty was never brexit. Whatever brexit she bought back labour would not back it. And the majority of parliament don’t want to leave. It’s not difficult. There is a concerted effort through the heart of the establishment backed by the EU to make us vote again. Like every other country that tried to leave. You know it. I know it. As far as Boris Johnson is concerned. I don’t think he wants to leave either. He just took the other side of the trade to further his career. Johnson’s family are liberals and he is a liberal.

Do you not think that there's a chance that the reason it's been so difficult is that it was never, ever, going to be as simple as the Leave campaign kept telling us it would be (some might say they were lying to us)? Do you maybe think that people might have been less inclined to vote Leave had they know that?

Actually, apologies. This shouldn't be on this thread at all, because this thread is about the Prorogation, and as we all know, the Prorogation was "nothing to do with Brexit" My bad.

[RedDwarf 1881]

What real difference is it going to make . Boris can’t take us out of the EU without a deal by law. No matter what deal Boris gets Parliament will probably turn it down anyway .It’s a Remainer Parliament who simply don’t want to leave. What we need now is a General Election . Bring it on .

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Max. I was down when Corbyn got elected to lead labour and the thugs took over the party. No longer the party I’ve supported much of my life. Then again the warning signs were there with Ed Milliband.

The party you've supported much of your life.

[Max B Gold]

What real difference is it going to make . Boris can’t take us out of the EU without a deal by law. No matter what deal Boris gets Parliament will probably turn it down anyway even if it’s gold plated. It’s a Remainer Parliament who simply don’t want to leave. A General Election is now needed

Boris isn't even trying to get a deal. He's running toward the cliff edge knowing he will be stopped by sensible people. But when they do he will turn round and say "well guys I tried but parliament wouldn't let me"

Only Labour's promise to renegotiate a deal and put it to the people with the option to stay in makes any sense. The will of the people (whatever that MORONIC sound bite means) could then be expressed without the loony right subverting democracy to achieve Brexit

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Only Labour's promise to renegotiate a deal and put it to the people with the option to stay in makes any sense.

I'm sorry, I can't understand that, it's too complicated to grasp.

[Thor]

What real difference is it going to make . Boris can’t take us out of the EU without a deal by law. No matter what deal Boris gets Parliament will probably turn it down anyway .It’s a Remainer Parliament who simply don’t want to leave. What we need now is a General Election . Bring it on .

I think he can, he just doesn't ask for the extension, then we have a bigger constitutional crises that we have now.

I said this 2/3 years old, we are being played.

[tuffers#1]

Boris is a chancer. Always his style. He takes a position and will do everything he can to get his way. The fact that he was courageously trying to enforce the will of the people and sort out an utter mess don’t make it right. But nobody can doubt where he stands. Whether you agree with his views or not, his views are clear.

Some would say so much better to have a leader who cannot make up his mind, dithers, switches positions, sits on the fence, procrastinates until after an election is better. But I guess doing and saying nothing means you won’t break the law. Something to be said for lacking courage.

Away and bile yer heid. There us nothing courageous about subverting democracy. It's dangerous and you know that so stop writing like a 14 year old troll.

The democracy was trying to implement the outcome of the referendum Max. The way he went about it was plain stupid. I would suggest it’s the remainers who continually subvert democracy.

But Doh , most leavers use the " will of the people " statement
Forgetting that a referendum is a vote of opinion by the public &

NOT a BINDING parliamentary statute result .

If remain mps made that point CLEAR , Leavers would be able to see
It was never going to be easy .

[Max B Gold]

Only Labour's promise to renegotiate a deal and put it to the people with the option to stay in makes any sense.

I'm sorry, I can't understand that, it's too complicated to grasp.

It's interesting that you and many others are able to say that about a simple binary choice. In fact some people off of the telly seem to be the least able to grasp it and always talk about complexity. Weird.