so it begins Brexit

[tuffers#1]

The thing that amazes me, is that one of the fundamental reasons Working Class people want Brexit is to curb immigration. Yes it will stop ( in fact already has ) the influx of Central Europeans. But will mean that we will get another influx from elsewhere ( mainly 3rd World Countries ). People just can't get their brains ( if they have any ) around the fact Britain just doesn't have enough native people who are qualified or prepared to fill very many essential jobs.
The irony is, that the Poles,Romanians, Latvians etc are white, dress and look similar to us and come from cultures not too far removed from ours and have shown every sign of embracing our cultures. The people from 3rd World countries will not have that advantage. The Brexiteers need to realise that for the UK to function we need immigrants. I for one greatly appreciated them, when I was in hospital last year. The vast majority were fabulous. Any dodgy moments were caused by Foreign and British people in roughly equal proportions. No race is totally perfect.

Don't forget they didnt want the muslim syrian refugees
here or the turkish muslims joining the EU.

We want the commonwealth countries , those nice types from australia canada & kiwi land, they forgot those muslim countries like Nigeria Kenya pakistan & India were in the commonwealth too.

As Forrest Gump said
"Stupid is as Stupid does ".

We don’t need unskilled labour from anywhere.
Plenty of people over hear on the dole who can do these jobs.
Don’t believe the government figures, there are at least 2million+ unemployed

I thought we were supposed to be taking money back from the EU not telling British companies to set up in the EU so they could do buisness & then pay the tax to EU.coumtries .

Having to employ EU staff as british people will no longer have freedom of movement

[Mikero]

"Yep. Might be an inconvenient truth for you Mikero, but these are your kin."

In that we will vote the same way in a Brexit deal v remain vote yes but for the opposite reasons. They believe the country will be better after the vote, I do not. They do not care about the social damage it will do, I do. Conversely a remain vote would do even more damage. The only way then to make the largest number of people come to terms with what Brexit will do is make them experience it first hand. Of course those responsible will lay the blame out in all directions, nothing will be their fault, you can see this is being done already in all the posts taked from the right wing press that we see here, but I suspect that even this side of the media will turn on them in the end as they hate to be see as backing a losing side.

Mikero

[Rich Tea Wellin]

People have been scared for a century that people are coming over ere, taking our jobs.
It used to be the Jews, then it was the Asians and the blacks, now it’s the Eastern European’s.
Society goes around in circles, just like fashion. Stupidity will never die out.

[Proposition Joe]

Agreed. So apparently the best thing to do is...vote alongside them?

[o-no]

"Yep. Might be an inconvenient truth for you Mikero, but these are your kin."

In that we will vote the same way in a Brexit deal v remain vote yes but for the opposite reasons. They believe the country will be better after the vote, I do not. They do not care about the social damage it will do, I do. Conversely a remain vote would do even more damage. The only way then to make the largest number of people come to terms with what Brexit will do is make them experience it first hand. Of course those responsible will lay the blame out in all directions, nothing will be their fault, you can see this is being done already in all the posts taked from the right wing press that we see here, but I suspect that even this side of the media will turn on them in the end as they hate to be see as backing a losing side.

Mikero

I see where you're coming from, but I don't need to chop my leg off to find out if it's definitely a bad idea or not, when a doctor who knows about these things tells me it is.

It seems as if we've got to the state where the only way some people will believe something is if it impacts them directly in a significant way. I don't think it used to be like this but the constant undermining of experts seems to be part of the political playbook now both here and overseas.

I guess if experts are discredited, then we're all experts and everyone's view is equal no matter how nuts that view is, so it comes down to who shouts loudest rather than who can actually present facts or expert opinion.

I do think that a lot of Brexiteers are angry, not because they are passionate about the need to leave the EU, but because they believe they've been ignored or short-changed in so many decisions made by governments over the years, and the referendum was their chance to stick it to the man. Now there is a danger even that may be taken from them they are determined, no matter what the cost, to "win". But it will be the very definition of a pyrrhic victory.

[greyhound]

I find it horrifying, that ordinary working class people, want to be ruled by extreme right wing types, just to secure Brexit, without , it seems, even considering the ramifications it would bring. This is so similar to the Nazis gaining power in Germany in 1933.
Youll be so sorry one day, if these monsters do really take power

OH I do get your point Marxis Corbyn.

You really are a tw*t, aren't you?

at least I refrain from insulting boarders, I only insult the Medea .

[Real Al]

OH I do get your point Marxis Corbyn.

You really are a tw*t, aren't you?

at least I refrain from insulting boarders, I only insult the Medea .

Well she did kill her children after all.

[greyhound]

I find it horrifying, that ordinary working class people, want to be ruled by extreme right wing types, just to secure Brexit, without , it seems, even considering the ramifications it would bring. This is so similar to the Nazis gaining power in Germany in 1933.
Youll be so sorry one day, if these monsters do really take power

The real question is why do working people back the extreme right.
Probably because the other lot are not listening to them.
Country flooded with cheap labour, illegals being given a taxi service to the beach and then not sent back. When a woman raised her concerns to Gordon Brown in 2010 she was called a bigot. Shows how out of touch they were and still are.And this is from a lifelong Labour voter.

very uplifting and a true in site of what has happened to politics.
best post for age's.

[greyhound]

You really are a tw*t, aren't you?

at least I refrain from insulting boarders, I only insult the Medea .

Well she did kill her children after all.

good spot I and not the E.

[one o in huntingdon]

People have been scared for a century that people are coming over ere, taking our jobs.
It used to be the Jews, then it was the Asians and the blacks, now it’s the Eastern European’s.
Society goes around in circles, just like fashion. Stupidity will never die out.

Very true plus the people who complain don't want to do the alleged taken jobs.
Will those unemployed people who voted leave take up the vacated positions?
I see no value paying benefits if for instance spuds need harvesting for a living wage.
Not proposing exploiting those workers, but its unskilled work suitable for most fit people

[o-no]

I find it horrifying, that ordinary working class people, want to be ruled by extreme right wing types, just to secure Brexit, without , it seems, even considering the ramifications it would bring. This is so similar to the Nazis gaining power in Germany in 1933.
Youll be so sorry one day, if these monsters do really take power

The real question is why do working people back the extreme right.
Probably because the other lot are not listening to them.
Country flooded with cheap labour, illegals being given a taxi service to the beach and then not sent back. When a woman raised her concerns to Gordon Brown in 2010 she was called a bigot. Shows how out of touch they were and still are.And this is from a lifelong Labour voter.

very uplifting and a true in site of what has happened to politics.
best post for age's.

A bigot is a person intolerant towards other's opinions.

Since she was heckling Brown before he spoke to her, I think it's safe to say she was intolerant of his opinions

I'm no Brown fan but at least he had the balls to try and speak with her, Boris had someone hauled out just the other day for heckling him.

[greyhound]

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/a-chocolate-b ... 48631.html

bloody hell this is now more serious than Brixit.
stop interfering with our freddo. this should be taken to the top I love em.

[whittle81]

What nonsense.
There are loads of British people who will do these jobs but not on the terms and conditions on offer.
When you see jobs advertised at £9 an hour for a 12 hour night shift someone must be doing it. These jobs used to be a premium rate 15 years ago because no one would do them otherwise. It’s all down to supply and demand, we don’t need warehouse workers from abroad so that companies can pay peanuts.

Some of the jobs are filled by retired people who have a company pension, or even olders ones who have there state pension as well, as they can afford to work for £9 an hour only.

[Byways1]

The real question is why do working people back the extreme right.
Probably because the other lot are not listening to them.
Country flooded with cheap labour, illegals being given a taxi service to the beach and then not sent back. When a woman raised her concerns to Gordon Brown in 2010 she was called a bigot. Shows how out of touch they were and still are.And this is from a lifelong Labour voter.

very uplifting and a true in site of what has happened to politics.
best post for age's.

A bigot is a person intolerant towards other's opinions.

Since she was heckling Brown before he spoke to her, I think it's safe to say she was intolerant of his opinions

I'm no Brown fan but at least he had the balls to try and speak with her, Boris had someone hauled out just the other day for heckling him.

Hardly what I would call heckling.
Sending unsuitable kids to university so when they leave they can get a job in a warehouse.
Dumming down A levels etc.

[Long slender neck]

People have been scared for a century that people are coming over ere, taking our jobs.
It used to be the Jews, then it was the Asians and the blacks, now it’s the Eastern European’s.
Society goes around in circles, just like fashion. Stupidity will never die out.

Not just jobs.

[2monty22]

I wonder why people are voting for the brexit party o yeah thats it they had enough of the labour remoaners and the tories

[Byways1]

What nonsense.
There are loads of British people who will do these jobs but not on the terms and conditions on offer.
When you see jobs advertised at £9 an hour for a 12 hour night shift someone must be doing it. These jobs used to be a premium rate 15 years ago because no one would do them otherwise. It’s all down to supply and demand, we don’t need warehouse workers from abroad so that companies can pay peanuts.

Some of the jobs are filled by retired people who have a company pension, or even olders ones who have there state pension as well, as they can afford to work for £9 an hour only.

What rubbish.
Have you seen an Amazon warehouse?
Blimey, it’s hard to get a job now if you’re 50.
What pensioner is going to work a 12 hour night shift, and more importantly who would employ them.

[Byways1]

People have been scared for a century that people are coming over ere, taking our jobs.
It used to be the Jews, then it was the Asians and the blacks, now it’s the Eastern European’s.
Society goes around in circles, just like fashion. Stupidity will never die out.

Very true plus the people who complain don't want to do the alleged taken jobs.
Will those unemployed people who voted leave take up the vacated positions?
I see no value paying benefits if for instance spuds need harvesting for a living wage.
Not proposing exploiting those workers, but its unskilled work suitable for most fit people

Yes they will take these jobs if the terms and conditions are acceptable.
The jobs were there long before Blair gave in to uncontrolled immigration.

[Disoriented]

People have been scared for a century that people are coming over ere, taking our jobs.
It used to be the Jews, then it was the Asians and the blacks, now it’s the Eastern European’s.
Society goes around in circles, just like fashion. Stupidity will never die out.

Very true plus the people who complain don't want to do the alleged taken jobs.
Will those unemployed people who voted leave take up the vacated positions?
I see no value paying benefits if for instance spuds need harvesting for a living wage.
Not proposing exploiting those workers, but its unskilled work suitable for most fit people

Yes they will take these jobs if the terms and conditions are acceptable.
The jobs were there long before Blair gave in to uncontrolled immigration.

[Byways1]

Very true plus the people who complain don't want to do the alleged taken jobs.
Will those unemployed people who voted leave take up the vacated positions?
I see no value paying benefits if for instance spuds need harvesting for a living wage.
Not proposing exploiting those workers, but its unskilled work suitable for most fit people

Yes they will take these jobs if the terms and conditions are acceptable.
The jobs were there long before Blair gave in to uncontrolled immigration.

It that your only answer?
Back it up with some evidence.

[o-no]

People have been scared for a century that people are coming over ere, taking our jobs.
It used to be the Jews, then it was the Asians and the blacks, now it’s the Eastern European’s.
Society goes around in circles, just like fashion. Stupidity will never die out.

Very true plus the people who complain don't want to do the alleged taken jobs.
Will those unemployed people who voted leave take up the vacated positions?
I see no value paying benefits if for instance spuds need harvesting for a living wage.
Not proposing exploiting those workers, but its unskilled work suitable for most fit people

Yes they will take these jobs if the terms and conditions are acceptable.
The jobs were there long before Blair gave in to uncontrolled immigration.

You mean the pay really don’t you?

You do get that if farmers start paying what you would like for someone to pick food then the price of food will go right up, and that’s going to hit the poorest people the hardest I guess you’re ok with that.

[Disoriented]

Yes they will take these jobs if the terms and conditions are acceptable.
The jobs were there long before Blair gave in to uncontrolled immigration.

It that your only answer?
Back it up with some evidence.

You want a photo of me laughing?

[Byways1]

Very true plus the people who complain don't want to do the alleged taken jobs.
Will those unemployed people who voted leave take up the vacated positions?
I see no value paying benefits if for instance spuds need harvesting for a living wage.
Not proposing exploiting those workers, but its unskilled work suitable for most fit people

Yes they will take these jobs if the terms and conditions are acceptable.
The jobs were there long before Blair gave in to uncontrolled immigration.

You mean the pay really don’t you?

You do get that if farmers start paying what you would like for someone to pick food then the price of food will go right up, and that’s going to hit the poorest people the hardest I guess you’re ok with that.

Oh the same old story.
We have been hearing this for the last 100 years.
Give the workers more benefits and it will cost more.
As for picking food most of this is now or will soon be automated.

[Byways1]

It that your only answer?
Back it up with some evidence.

You want a photo of me laughing?

No thanks.
You’ve just answered the question by not answering it.

[Real Al]

People have been scared for a century that people are coming over ere, taking our jobs.
It used to be the Jews, then it was the Asians and the blacks, now it’s the Eastern European’s.
Society goes around in circles, just like fashion. Stupidity will never die out.

Very true plus the people who complain don't want to do the alleged taken jobs.
Will those unemployed people who voted leave take up the vacated positions?
I see no value paying benefits if for instance spuds need harvesting for a living wage.
Not proposing exploiting those workers, but its unskilled work suitable for most fit people

Yes they will take these jobs if the terms and conditions are acceptable.
The jobs were there long before Blair gave in to uncontrolled immigration.

Never going to happen. It didn't happen before EU immigration either.

Instead we'll have to go back to an equivalent of the Seasonal Agricultural Workers Scheme (SAWS) we had before. So, we'll have the same number of migrants here, it's just that they are more likely to be from outside the EU, so more prone to exploitation and then staying illegally.