Emigration

[Long slender neck]

Anyone emigrated or planning to?

[Celtient]

As I've mentioned before, I fancy driving a road train into the bush to places like Woolamungabungaroo. Problem is, Oz has lots of creatures that try to kill you and I'm a bit of a wuss in that department. I'll need to do some more homework on it

[Long slender neck]

Heard that Oz is quite an expensive place to live and its on fire half the time. Still, probably a better bet than the UK long term.

[EliotNes]

Nah. Visited too many countries and lived in a couple to see the grass is not always greener on the other side. I'll stick to the sleepy Hamlet of Hornchurch for now. But if we could have some more sunshine, that'd be great.

[Max B Gold]

My daughters out in Oz since October and says it's just like the UK. She's visiting Vietnam and Indonesia at the moment and popped over to NZ for a bit last month. Said NZ was like 1950s UK.

Long term nowhere will be better than anywhere once the climate collapses. An event that will affect the entire planet. You can't escape by becoming a migrant.

[Dunners]

I'm keeping my options open, but it's unlikely. Owning property and living in other countries (especially non-English speaking ones) can be a real headache. Trying to navigate regular day-to-day tasks, like booking GP appointments, paying property taxes, dealing with emergencies all become more of a challenge.

The Covid era also taught us how suddenly the World can change, and the ease of international travel disappear. And most of us will think of emigration in terms of the post-WW2 experience in a world with increasing prosperity, security and cooperation. And that world appears to be over.

We'll leave London at some point, probably within next ten years, but I'm likely to stick to the British Isles.

[BIGRON]

Lived in the East end all my 72 years , too old to change that now , enjoy my visits abroad but even if I won millions on the lottery I'd stay in the area

[OyinbO]

My daughters out in Oz since October and says it's just like the UK. She's visiting Vietnam and Indonesia at the moment and popped over to NZ for a bit last month. Said NZ was like 1950s UK.

I knew you were getting on a bit, but had no idea you had a daughter old enough to remember the 1950s!

[Max B Gold]

My daughters out in Oz since October and says it's just like the UK. She's visiting Vietnam and Indonesia at the moment and popped over to NZ for a bit last month. Said NZ was like 1950s UK.

I knew you were getting on a bit, but had no idea you had a daughter old enough to remember the 1950s!

You forget we live in a village in Scotchlandshire.

[faldO]

My daughters out in Oz since October and says it's just like the UK. She's visiting Vietnam and Indonesia at the moment and popped over to NZ for a bit last month. Said NZ was like 1950s UK.

Long term nowhere will be better than anywhere once the climate collapses.

I hope you've educated her on the points she was unsure of related to the reasons why climate is collapsing.

[Max B Gold]

My daughters out in Oz since October and says it's just like the UK. She's visiting Vietnam and Indonesia at the moment and popped over to NZ for a bit last month. Said NZ was like 1950s UK.

Long term nowhere will be better than anywhere once the climate collapses.

I hope you've educated her on the points she was unsure of related to the reasons why climate is collapsing.

Luckily she is at that awkward age where she is sure about everything. It won't last but she doesn't agree.

[Rich Tea Wellin]

Funnily enough, I don’t like to mention, but I’ve just got home from my first time in oz. It was strange in so much as it was so far away but really didn’t feel like I was abroad in lots of ways. My other half lived there for 5 years and said it’s very different living there - not a lot to do in Perth, too hot to do anything a lot of the time etc… but I enjoyed that every little remote town had lots of coffee shops, art shops, bakery’s. Some of it felt weirdly nostalgic as well..sort of like the U.K. 20 odd years ago.
With a young kid I don’t think I would but it becomes more appealing as this country crumbles.

[Hoover Attack]

My time has passed but would encourage anyone young enough to consider it. Seriously consider it.

[Hoover Attack]

My daughters out in Oz since October and says it's just like the UK. She's visiting Vietnam and Indonesia at the moment and popped over to NZ for a bit last month. Said NZ was like 1950s UK.

Long term nowhere will be better than anywhere once the climate collapses.

I hope you've educated her on the points she was unsure of related to the reasons why climate is collapsing.

Luckily she is at that awkward age where she is sure about everything. It won't last but she doesn't agree.

You have a child the same age as CEB?

[Beradogs]

Funnily enough, I don’t like to mention, but I’ve just got home from my first time in oz. It was strange in so much as it was so far away but really didn’t feel like I was abroad in lots of ways. My other half lived there for 5 years and said it’s very different living there - not a lot to do in Perth, too hot to do anything a lot of the time etc… but I enjoyed that every little remote town had lots of coffee shops, art shops, bakery’s. Some of it felt weirdly nostalgic as well..sort of like the U.K. 20 odd years ago.
With a young kid I don’t think I would but it becomes more appealing as this country crumbles.

You mean it was white?

I live abroad every Saturday at 3pm. Usually Croatia…or Zimbabwe.

[Rich Tea Wellin]

Funnily enough, I don’t like to mention, but I’ve just got home from my first time in oz. It was strange in so much as it was so far away but really didn’t feel like I was abroad in lots of ways. My other half lived there for 5 years and said it’s very different living there - not a lot to do in Perth, too hot to do anything a lot of the time etc… but I enjoyed that every little remote town had lots of coffee shops, art shops, bakery’s. Some of it felt weirdly nostalgic as well..sort of like the U.K. 20 odd years ago.
With a young kid I don’t think I would but it becomes more appealing as this country crumbles.

You mean it was white?

I live abroad every Saturday at 3pm. Usually Croatia…or Zimbabwe.

It was very white. But that’s not what I meant.

[Max B Gold]

Funnily enough, I don’t like to mention, but I’ve just got home from my first time in oz. It was strange in so much as it was so far away but really didn’t feel like I was abroad in lots of ways. My other half lived there for 5 years and said it’s very different living there - not a lot to do in Perth, too hot to do anything a lot of the time etc… but I enjoyed that every little remote town had lots of coffee shops, art shops, bakery’s. Some of it felt weirdly nostalgic as well..sort of like the U.K. 20 odd years ago.
With a young kid I don’t think I would but it becomes more appealing as this country crumbles.

You kept that visit to Oz quiet geezer.

Also, useful to know that Oz is only 20 years behind the UK which is good going considering its antipodean near neighbour, NZ, is still 75 years behind.

[Scuba Diver]

Wouldn't emigrate- seen so many leave and come back I would file under "grass isn't always greener" ...

Considering a relocate from Southend though. Cornwall, Lincs, Suffolk and Norfolk on the radar. My life was chaos due to alcoholism until 7 years ago (I had 10p in 2018 at 48 years old) but I've managed to cobble together enough to throw down £20k on a £70k shared ownership and part buy/part rent 30-70%, with another 40k still behind me. I'm lucky that I have a fully remote contract and been in social housing, so been able to save quite quickly.

Looking for rural.
Suffolk and Norfolk definitely have merit as could keep my season ticket at the O's and be connected to friends in Essex. Lincolnshire (especially North Lincs) is cheap cheap cheap - and some nice villages up there albeit some of the towns not great.
Cornwall is an anomaly - beautiful and unique but a financially poor county overall. My best mate (former boarder Paul May's Mum) lives there but Section 106 abounds - the Council insists on a local connection to buy into shared ownership properties- fair enough of course.
I'm in no rush but it will feel like emigrating to me, having lived 90% of my life along the Thames corridor..
If I went far afield I would miss the O's but would attach myself quickly to a non-league entity with no hope of ever becoming a league club...

[LPE]

A really good question and something that dominates my thoughts and most conversations with the missus.

At times I’d leave in a heartbeat. Tomorrow.
We’ve identified an old fishing town in Portugal which is charming. It’s fully Portuguese (no Red Lion pub or English football shirts around) and we would fully immerse ourselves in the local culture and community. There is also a local fifth tier football team I can go and watch which will tick the live football box.

But I worry I’d lose my identity and miss all the good things about east London if we left. You take so much for granted, and then only miss it when it’s gone away.

However, seeing how the U.K. is falling apart and massive change in London I wonder, as I get older, if I really belong and if there is a place for me anymore. Perhaps it’s just the passing years that make me think that way and that London (unless you’re loaded and can live in a really nice part) is a city for young people.

A difficult choice and one where we might regret it, whether leaving or staying.

[Scuba Diver]

A really good question and something that dominates my thoughts and most conversations with the missus.

At times I’d leave in a heartbeat. Tomorrow.
We’ve identified an old fishing town in Portugal which is charming. It’s fully Portuguese (no Red Lion pub or English football shirts around) and we would fully immerse ourselves in the local culture and community. There is also a local fifth tier football team I can go and watch which will tick the live football box.

But I worry I’d lose my identity and miss all the good things about east London if we left. You take so much for granted, and then only miss it when it’s gone away.

However, seeing how the U.K. is falling apart and massive change in London I wonder, as I get older, if I really belong and if there is a place for me anymore. Perhaps it’s just the passing years that make me think that way and that London (unless you’re loaded and can live in a really nice part) is a city for young people.

A difficult choice and one where we might regret it, whether leaving or staying.

Sounds intriguing and lovely to have the option to consider and perhaps make a reality.

Regards your reservations. When we live in a large urban conurbation we almost forget to recognise the sheer level of convenience and options around anything from transport, shops, leisure etc etc that would be lost in a village.

I looked at somewhere in Suffolk the other week - a village that was between 3 towns but the nearest of them was 11 miles away and it started to dawn on me the reality of that.
There was a cafe (closed on a Saturday morning) and a centre that did “coffee” on a Thursday - between 10:30 and 12 and that was it.

All this stuff has to be taken into account I think..

[LPE]

Very true. The convenience of everything here is fantastic. It would be a huge miss.

I hear you on places not being open / or not early enough in more rural places. I’m an early riser so like my morning coffee early doors. The slower pace of life in non urban areas would take a bit of getting used to.

[Proposition Joe]

If at all possible, please avoid shared ownership.

[Scuba Diver]

If at all possible, please avoid shared ownership.

Thanks PJ.
Heard a few nasty stories I admit.

Not my ideal choice but of course life is governed by money but I would carry out extensive due diligence.

The scenario seems to alter from development to development…

[Scuba Diver]

Very true. The convenience of everything here is fantastic. It would be a huge miss.

I hear you on places not being open / or not early enough in more rural places. I’m an early riser so like my morning coffee early doors. The slower pace of life in non urban areas would take a bit of getting used to.

Dependent on actual location of course but either a car is needed Or there has to be an acceptance you will live much of your life in that village and get things delivered maybe.

A village with 600 people (say) would likely have a nice community spirit and you’d bump into people all the time, But some people Don’t want that - they like the anonymity of being able to go about their business without needing to exchange pleasantries every 50 yards…

Lots of things under the surface to factor in..

[Adz]

I backpacked round Oz almost 20 years ago and never left. I love Sydney, but It is crazy expensive (property), so I think it's out of most people's reach to migrate here now. Adelaide, Brisbane and Melbourne offer similar options at about half the price. Perth is similarly priced, personally I don't think it's as nice as the others though.