A daughter of a friend of mine is an alcoholic ( recovering but relapsing ) , she has three children under nine by different fathers , and she receives £2000 a month and has done for at least the last five years. Her parents could afford to keep her and have bought her a house. It’s one example of what we are spending and on whom. It may be that they are targeting groups such as this. I can’t make sense of what they propose to target but , in the grand scheme of things , I doubt it will save much
So you don't know what benefits she actually receives, for what reasons, or the family's exact personal or financial situation. Safe to file this under "I don't actually have any evidence".
You really are a cretin. I have known the family for 30 years. I have known the daughter since she was born. The father talks to me about it and I do know all of the elements you claim I don’t. Troll someone else and bore off
Go on then, specify precisely which benefits she's receiving since you have all the facts at your fingertips.
Also, 'being asked to back up what you're saying' isn't being trolled. HTH.
She receives £2000 a month does she? That’s great that is. I’m assuming she lives in a house with a fully paid up mortgage and gets all £2000 for herself right?
CEB2ElectricBoogaloo wrote: ↑Thu Mar 27, 2025 9:45 am
She receives £2000 a month does she? That’s great that is. I’m assuming she lives in a house with a fully paid up mortgage and gets all £2000 for herself right?
You perhaps need to reread my post where I explained that her parents bought her a house. Another cretinous response
So you don't know what benefits she actually receives, for what reasons, or the family's exact personal or financial situation. Safe to file this under "I don't actually have any evidence".
You really are a cretin. I have known the family for 30 years. I have known the daughter since she was born. The father talks to me about it and I do know all of the elements you claim I don’t. Troll someone else and bore off
Go on then, specify precisely which benefits she's receiving since you have all the facts at your fingertips.
Also, 'being asked to back up what you're saying' isn't being trolled. HTH.
You wrongly assumed I didn’t know anything about the family or the circumstances .
At no point did I say what particular benefits make up the £2000 per month , neither did I claim to know.
Again , bore off
Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Thu Mar 27, 2025 9:43 am
Genuinely interested in the "without having a negative impact on services" caveat to that question. I would bet a hefty amount that those same people would also decry the current state of those same services.
It’s a split between those who think the cuts won’t effect the service and those who do but still there’s room to cut anyway
Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Thu Mar 27, 2025 9:43 am
Genuinely interested in the "without having a negative impact on services" caveat to that question. I would bet a hefty amount that those same people would also decry the current state of those same services.
It’s a split between those who think the cuts won’t effect the service and those who do but still there’s room to cut anyway
You really are a cretin. I have known the family for 30 years. I have known the daughter since she was born. The father talks to me about it and I do know all of the elements you claim I don’t. Troll someone else and bore off
Go on then, specify precisely which benefits she's receiving since you have all the facts at your fingertips.
Also, 'being asked to back up what you're saying' isn't being trolled. HTH.
You wrongly assumed I didn’t know anything about the family or the circumstances .
At no point did I say what particular benefits make up the £2000 per month , neither did I claim to know.
Again , bore off
So you don't have all the facts then. That's cool, thanks for clarifying. You should have just admitted that in the first place!
Go on then, specify precisely which benefits she's receiving since you have all the facts at your fingertips.
Also, 'being asked to back up what you're saying' isn't being trolled. HTH.
You wrongly assumed I didn’t know anything about the family or the circumstances .
At no point did I say what particular benefits make up the £2000 per month , neither did I claim to know.
Again , bore off
So you don't have all the facts then. That's cool, thanks for clarifying. You should have just admitted that in the first place!
You are the reason the benefits system needs reform.
So the 3 kids should be punished and punished hard for having a mother with alcohol addiction problems and different fathers to each other? That'll help.
You wrongly assumed I didn’t know anything about the family or the circumstances .
At no point did I say what particular benefits make up the £2000 per month , neither did I claim to know.
Again , bore off
So you don't have all the facts then. That's cool, thanks for clarifying. You should have just admitted that in the first place!
You are the reason the benefits system needs reform.
The benefits system needs reform because people challenge the desire to base policies on anecdotal evidence and hearsay? I'm not sure I understand your rationale.
Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Thu Mar 27, 2025 9:43 am
Genuinely interested in the "without having a negative impact on services" caveat to that question. I would bet a hefty amount that those same people would also decry the current state of those same services.
It’s a split between those who think the cuts won’t effect the service and those who do but still there’s room to cut anyway
But you agree it needs a shake up ?
Shake the top end first then we can worry about going after the handful of people swinging the lead/abusing the system.
The one time I er, forgot, to declare some income while I *might* have been in receipt of JSA, they pinged me straight away and I ended up having to pay it back. There's plenty of mechanisms already in place to weedle out fraud. And even if there wasn't, 1000s and 1000s of people would have to be on the take to make up even a tiny percentage of what we lose to Amazon et al's tax avoidance. It's so simple, and yet...
Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Thu Mar 27, 2025 10:09 am
The one time I er, forgot, to declare some income while I *might* have been in receipt of JSA, they pinged me straight away and I ended up having to pay it back. There's plenty of mechanisms already in place to weedle out fraud. And even if there wasn't, 1000s and 1000s of people would have to be on the take to make up even a tiny percentage of what we lose to Amazon et al's tax avoidance. It's so simple, and yet...
Do some laws or something. I'll leave that up to Reeves, I'm sure she'll strive to come up with the answer since the only reason she went into politics was to help out disadvantaged kids.
Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Mar 27, 2025 9:58 am
So the 3 kids should be punished and punished hard for having a mother with alcohol addiction problems and different fathers to each other? That'll help.
I didn’t say that either. Of course not. I was asked to give my example of where some benefits are going. It’s a huge problem and one we can’t afford. Therefore it needs meaningful reform
Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Thu Mar 27, 2025 10:18 am
Do some laws or something. I'll leave that up to Reeves, I'm sure she'll strive to come up with the answer since the only reason she went into politics was to help out disadvantaged kids.
Shame, expected at least the effort of a Guardian comment piece or a Tax Justice link from 6 years ago
Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Thu Mar 27, 2025 10:18 am
Do some laws or something. I'll leave that up to Reeves, I'm sure she'll strive to come up with the answer since the only reason she went into politics was to help out disadvantaged kids.
Shame, expected at least the effort of a Guardian comment piece or a Tax Justice link from 6 years ago
Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Mar 27, 2025 9:58 am
So the 3 kids should be punished and punished hard for having a mother with alcohol addiction problems and different fathers to each other? That'll help.
I didn’t say that either. Of course not. I was asked to give my example of where some benefits are going. It’s a huge problem and one we can’t afford. Therefore it needs meaningful reform
But that's what will happen if you slash this woman's income. Sounds as if their lives are already traumatic enough without pushing them into poverty as well.
We can afford it. There is enough wealth around to ensure no one is in poverty.
1: her parents are wealthy enough to buy her a house outright
2: despite this wealthy background, she has been diagnosed with alcohol addiction and her wealthy parents, unable to provide a support network instead reveal this to neighbours
3: that this daughter of wealthy parents bucks every trend by having children relatively early in life, without having the financial or relationship security most people would put in place
4: discloses to her parents exactly how much she gets in benefits each month, even though her parents disapprove of her claiming benefits, so there would be no motivation to make such a disclosure
It’s *almost* as if George M is talking utter, utter poo poo
