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Dohnut wrote: Fri Mar 14, 2025 2:02 pm And despite the NHS performance being poor it has gotten worse under Labour. Tories to be blamed for past problems but not the worsening situation.
https://www.bma.org.uk/advice-and-suppo ... a-analysis

Waiting lists had pretty much risen month on month since *checks graph* 2010/2011, trebling from 2.5 million to 7.5 million.

They've now started to fall, month on month, for the first time in 15 years, from around *checks graph* August 2024.

Wonder if anything happened around those dates?
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Hoover Attack wrote: Fri Mar 14, 2025 2:15 pm
Dohnut wrote: Fri Mar 14, 2025 2:02 pm And despite the NHS performance being poor it has gotten worse under Labour. Tories to be blamed for past problems but not the worsening situation.
https://www.bma.org.uk/advice-and-suppo ... a-analysis

Waiting lists had pretty much risen month on month since *checks graph* 2010/2011, trebling from 2.5 million to 7.5 million.

They've now started to fall, month on month, for the first time in 15 years, from around *checks graph* August 2024.

Wonder if anything happened around those dates?
Farcking 'ell. Have you been appointed as the new Roger O Thornhill of this board, or something? Anytime anyone criticises Labour, it's like you're activated to leap to the defence.
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Have you ever seen me and beardy in the same room, eh?

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Hoover Attack wrote: Fri Mar 14, 2025 2:15 pm
Dohnut wrote: Fri Mar 14, 2025 2:02 pm And despite the NHS performance being poor it has gotten worse under Labour. Tories to be blamed for past problems but not the worsening situation.
https://www.bma.org.uk/advice-and-suppo ... a-analysis

Waiting lists had pretty much risen month on month since *checks graph* 2010/2011, trebling from 2.5 million to 7.5 million.

They've now started to fall, month on month, for the first time in 15 years, from around *checks graph* August 2024.

Wonder if anything happened around those dates?
Doctors going back helps.

January 25 figures
73.4% urgently referred for suspected cancer met within 28 days, down from 78.1%
6.25 million waiting for operations up from 6.24 million
Beds blocked by people well enough to leave but don’t up from 13,450 to 13,740.
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NHS reforms, benefits reforms. Needed and something the Tories should have done but didn’t have the balls, though lots of other crap going on. Nah, they didn’t have the balls. For once looking forward to Reeves statement. Labour. Eyes right. They know it makes sense.
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Benefit reforms dont look right to me. I thought it was obvious that with the increase in claimants they just needed to raise the bar for who can claim, but they seem to have made a mess of it and will be punishing pretty much everyone instead.
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The benefits cuts are just turbo charged austerity and to pay for arms to Ukraine. They are immoral.

They only want our kids and money for war.
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I've been looking at these welfare cuts and honestly , I can't tell the difference between the Tories and the Labour Party . They are both the same except Starmer is a more convincing lier than Boris . Two cheeks of the same arse .
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Dohnut wrote: Fri Mar 14, 2025 10:24 pm
Hoover Attack wrote: Fri Mar 14, 2025 2:15 pm
Dohnut wrote: Fri Mar 14, 2025 2:02 pm And despite the NHS performance being poor it has gotten worse under Labour. Tories to be blamed for past problems but not the worsening situation.
https://www.bma.org.uk/advice-and-suppo ... a-analysis

Waiting lists had pretty much risen month on month since *checks graph* 2010/2011, trebling from 2.5 million to 7.5 million.

They've now started to fall, month on month, for the first time in 15 years, from around *checks graph* August 2024.

Wonder if anything happened around those dates?
Doctors going back helps.

January 25 figures

Beds blocked by people well enough to leave but don’t up from 13,450 to 13,740.
'Doctors going back' from where?

Also, mad framing of the bed blockers being people that just "don't leave", like they're doing it out of choice.
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Proposition Joe wrote: Thu Mar 20, 2025 7:09 am
Dohnut wrote: Fri Mar 14, 2025 10:24 pm
Hoover Attack wrote: Fri Mar 14, 2025 2:15 pm

https://www.bma.org.uk/advice-and-suppo ... a-analysis

Waiting lists had pretty much risen month on month since *checks graph* 2010/2011, trebling from 2.5 million to 7.5 million.

They've now started to fall, month on month, for the first time in 15 years, from around *checks graph* August 2024.

Wonder if anything happened around those dates?
Doctors going back helps.

January 25 figures

Beds blocked by people well enough to leave but don’t up from 13,450 to 13,740.
'Doctors going back' from where?

Also, mad framing of the bed blockers being people that just "don't leave", like they're doing it out of choice.
People needing operations or checks for cancer are not a choice either. But they are measures to how well the NHS is operating.
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Long slender neck wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 3:53 pm Benefit reforms dont look right to me. I thought it was obvious that with the increase in claimants they just needed to raise the bar for who can claim, but they seem to have made a mess of it and will be punishing pretty much everyone instead.
Have to agree. Whilst I believe reform is needed to make sure those with a genuine need are well supported whilst ensuring benefits can never be a lifestyle choice, I’m not convinced these, as I understand them, are a solution at all. Shambles.
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Max B Gold wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 4:01 pm The benefits cuts are just turbo charged austerity and to pay for arms to Ukraine. They are immoral.

They only want our kids and money for war.
Austerity is alive and well right now. People, young to old, are getting a kicking one way or another and it will get worse. Makes a whole new meaning to “four more years”
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Dohnut wrote: Thu Mar 20, 2025 10:10 pm
Proposition Joe wrote: Thu Mar 20, 2025 7:09 am
Dohnut wrote: Fri Mar 14, 2025 10:24 pm

Doctors going back helps.

January 25 figures

Beds blocked by people well enough to leave but don’t up from 13,450 to 13,740.
'Doctors going back' from where?

Also, mad framing of the bed blockers being people that just "don't leave", like they're doing it out of choice.
People needing operations or checks for cancer are not a choice either. But they are measures to how well the NHS is operating.
That reply makes no sense.

And where are the doctors "going back" from?
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Proposition Joe wrote: Thu Mar 20, 2025 11:01 pm
Dohnut wrote: Thu Mar 20, 2025 10:10 pm
Proposition Joe wrote: Thu Mar 20, 2025 7:09 am

'Doctors going back' from where?

Also, mad framing of the bed blockers being people that just "don't leave", like they're doing it out of choice.
People needing operations or checks for cancer are not a choice either. But they are measures to how well the NHS is operating.
That reply makes no sense.

And where are the doctors "going back" from?
Back in time to promote preventative medicine and avoid future demands on the newly privatised NHS.
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RedDwarf 1881 wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 10:58 pm I've been looking at these welfare cuts and honestly , I can't tell the difference between the Tories and the Labour Party . They are both the same except Starmer is a more convincing lier than Boris . Two cheeks of the same arse .
Don't be Stupid.
Boris & Co fraudulently stole £21 billion from the country during covid.
Sunak did a deal with his wife & dad's company for a Billion & a half .

The Tories are not the f*cking same as Labour
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Dohnut wrote: Thu Mar 20, 2025 10:16 pm
Long slender neck wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 3:53 pm Benefit reforms dont look right to me. I thought it was obvious that with the increase in claimants they just needed to raise the bar for who can claim, but they seem to have made a mess of it and will be punishing pretty much everyone instead.
Have to agree. Whilst I believe reform is needed to make sure those with a genuine need are well supported whilst ensuring benefits can never be a lifestyle choice, I’m not convinced these, as I understand them, are a solution at all. Shambles.
That paragraph is the only shambles.
Meaningless Drivel.
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I see someone's been attending their "be fluent in working class" language lessons.

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Just watched a Garys Economics video and he says Labour will fail because although they're being 'sensible' with the economy they aren't tackling inequality and are making the same mistakes the democrats did. Unless they can halt the slide in living standards they'll lose the next election.
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You’re aware that there’s growing evidence that Gary is a bullshitting grifter?

Not that he’s not right here, but I mean that’s hardly sticking the neck out, is it?
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CEB2ElectricBoogaloo wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 5:04 pm You’re aware that there’s growing evidence that Gary is a bullshitting grifter?

Not that he’s not right here, but I mean that’s hardly sticking the neck out, is it?
Can you point me to the growing evidence please
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CEB2ElectricBoogaloo wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 5:04 pm You’re aware that there’s growing evidence that Gary is a bullshitting grifter?

Not that he’s not right here, but I mean that’s hardly sticking the neck out, is it?
I didnt know that, hadnt really seen any of his stuff before. Youtube says he has 1m subscribers so must be raking it in.
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The Mindsweep wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 5:13 pm
CEB2ElectricBoogaloo wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 5:04 pm You’re aware that there’s growing evidence that Gary is a bullshitting grifter?

Not that he’s not right here, but I mean that’s hardly sticking the neck out, is it?
Can you point me to the growing evidence please
https://www.ft.com/content/7e8b47b3-793 ... d75d057fff
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Currywurst and Chips wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 6:08 pm
The Mindsweep wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 5:13 pm
CEB2ElectricBoogaloo wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 5:04 pm You’re aware that there’s growing evidence that Gary is a bullshitting grifter?

Not that he’s not right here, but I mean that’s hardly sticking the neck out, is it?
Can you point me to the growing evidence please
https://www.ft.com/content/7e8b47b3-793 ... d75d057fff
Trader who claimed to be the most profitable trader in the world was actually only extremely profitable.

Many such cases.
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GibbO wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 6:25 pm
Currywurst and Chips wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 6:08 pm
The Mindsweep wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 5:13 pm

Can you point me to the growing evidence please
https://www.ft.com/content/7e8b47b3-793 ... d75d057fff
Trader who claimed to be the most profitable trader in the world was actually only extremely profitable.

Many such cases.
Really? I thought it was generally populated by reserved humble folk who don’t think the sun shines out of their arse?
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Long slender neck wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 4:44 pm Just watched a Garys Economics video and he says Labour will fail because although they're being 'sensible' with the economy they aren't tackling inequality and are making the same mistakes the democrats did. Unless they can halt the slide in living standards they'll lose the next election.
Did he do that thing where he takes 20 minutes to sum up a point that could be made in under 5?
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