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[BiggsyMalone]

Where are you pulling £40m for 1,500 from?
They can rebuild that stand and add at least 3,000 seats. Move the family stand and make that end safe standing, that will add even more capacity

Devlin said it directly, I remember £20-30 million to add 1000 more seats as the reason why it's financially unviable

You can't do much with the North and South due to the flats behind the stands, another thing of Hearn's doing

That’s a bit different to £40m for 1,500.

I do agree with the thought of not wanting to spend that money on something the club doesn’t actually own though

[Leyton53]

If a new ground is built it’s not going to be built in isolation. It’s extremely likely that it will be part of a residential/leisure/commercial build. It will be one, which allows further revenue coming into the club,
Our current ground is too small without doubt, if we were to be promoted to the Championship. The loss revenue in numerous games this season(even if it’s only away fans) not being accommodated is sizeable.
Going to need a major construction/housing company along with Waltham Forest Council involvement, however there are sites within the borough where this could happen.
It will be interesting to hear the proposals of the bones iwners/investors.

[Bandy Legs]

Where are you pulling £40m for 1,500 from?
They can rebuild that stand and add at least 3,000 seats. Move the family stand and make that end safe standing, that will add even more capacity

Devlin said it directly, I remember £20-30 million to add 1000 more seats as the reason why it's financially unviable

You can't do much with the North and South due to the flats behind the stands, another thing of Hearn's doing

That’s a bit different to £40m for 1,500.

I do agree with the thought of not wanting to spend that money on something the club doesn’t actually own though

It's not really though is it.
£20-30 million for 1000 seats is hugely wasteful.
An extra £10 mill' for 500 more seats is still wasted money.
As for your safe standing adds loads more is just piffle & how much extra wasted money to move the North Stand & where exactly?

[Bandy Legs]

If a new ground is built it’s not going to be built in isolation. It’s extremely likely that it will be part of a residential/leisure/commercial build. It will be one, which allows further revenue coming into the club,
Our current ground is too small without doubt, if we were to be promoted to the Championship. The loss revenue in numerous games this season(even if it’s only away fans) not being accommodated is sizeable.
Going to need a major construction/housing company along with Waltham Forest Council involvement, however there are sites within the borough where this could happen.
It will be interesting to hear the proposals of the bones iwners/investors.

Very interesting, can't wait to see how it unfolds

[BiggsyMalone]

Devlin said it directly, I remember £20-30 million to add 1000 more seats as the reason why it's financially unviable

You can't do much with the North and South due to the flats behind the stands, another thing of Hearn's doing

That’s a bit different to £40m for 1,500.

I do agree with the thought of not wanting to spend that money on something the club doesn’t actually own though

It's not really though is it.
£20-30 million for 1000 seats is hugely wasteful.
An extra £10 mill' for 500 more seats is still wasted money.
As for your safe standing adds loads more is just piffle & how much extra wasted money to move the North Stand & where exactly?

Did you read my whole post before you replied?

It isn’t going to be £20/30m for 1,000 seats. Its redeveloping the whole stand and converting another area into safe standing. I didn’t say it will add “loads more”, I said “even more”. Safe standing can add more capacity to an area if done correctly and space allows. It isn’t ideal but it is an option. If you want to be in league one, £90m in debt with an average crowd of 6,000 when people lose interest, so be it.

Do yourself a favour and learn to read before you start replying nonsense, you’re not smart enough for it.

[RedDwarf 1881]

That’s a bit different to £40m for 1,500.

I do agree with the thought of not wanting to spend that money on something the club doesn’t actually own though

It's not really though is it.
£20-30 million for 1000 seats is hugely wasteful.
An extra £10 mill' for 500 more seats is still wasted money.
As for your safe standing adds loads more is just piffle & how much extra wasted money to move the North Stand & where exactly?

Did you read my whole post before you replied?

It isn’t going to be £20/30m for 1,000 seats. Its redeveloping the whole stand and converting another area into safe standing. I didn’t say it will add “loads more”, I said “even more”. Safe standing can add more capacity to an area if done correctly and space allows. It isn’t ideal but it is an option. If you want to be in league one, £90m in debt with an average crowd of 6,000 when people lose interest, so be it.

Do yourself a favour and learn to read before you start replying nonsense, you’re not smart enough for it.

It's still a waste of money . Personally I would rather that money went towards a new ground .

[BiggsyMalone]

If a new ground is built it’s not going to be built in isolation. It’s extremely likely that it will be part of a residential/leisure/commercial build. It will be one, which allows further revenue coming into the club,
Our current ground is too small without doubt, if we were to be promoted to the Championship. The loss revenue in numerous games this season(even if it’s only away fans) not being accommodated is sizeable.
Going to need a major construction/housing company along with Waltham Forest Council involvement, however there are sites within the borough where this could happen.
It will be interesting to hear the proposals of the bones iwners/investors.

Heavily relies on other parties who have no money. WFC aren’t going to back it financially and it would require TFL to get on board and back it too.

What areas in the borough have enough space to build a football stadium, thousands of new homes and infrastructure that won’t cripple the area on match days?

[Bandy Legs]

It's not really though is it.
£20-30 million for 1000 seats is hugely wasteful.
An extra £10 mill' for 500 more seats is still wasted money.
As for your safe standing adds loads more is just piffle & how much extra wasted money to move the North Stand & where exactly?

Did you read my whole post before you replied?

It isn’t going to be £20/30m for 1,000 seats. Its redeveloping the whole stand and converting another area into safe standing. I didn’t say it will add “loads more”, I said “even more”. Safe standing can add more capacity to an area if done correctly and space allows. It isn’t ideal but it is an option. If you want to be in league one, £90m in debt with an average crowd of 6,000 when people lose interest, so be it.

Do yourself a favour and learn to read before you start replying nonsense, you’re not smart enough for it.

It's still a waste of money . Personally I would rather that money went towards a new ground .

Yup

[Bandy Legs]

If a new ground is built it’s not going to be built in isolation. It’s extremely likely that it will be part of a residential/leisure/commercial build. It will be one, which allows further revenue coming into the club,
Our current ground is too small without doubt, if we were to be promoted to the Championship. The loss revenue in numerous games this season(even if it’s only away fans) not being accommodated is sizeable.
Going to need a major construction/housing company along with Waltham Forest Council involvement, however there are sites within the borough where this could happen.
It will be interesting to hear the proposals of the bones iwners/investors.

Heavily relies on other parties who have no money. WFC aren’t going to back it financially and it would require TFL to get on board and back it too.

What areas in the borough have enough space to build a football stadium, thousands of new homes and infrastructure that won’t cripple the area on match days?

Nope, I didn't really bother reading it as it's already been publicly stated by the hierarchy of the club, redevelopment is a waste of Money & New Investment needed to come in to help build a new stadium.

Who has mentioned thousands of new homes?
Why would TFL have to back anything, they are nothing to do with Leyton Orient.
Talk about throw obstacles in the way when those obstacles don't exist.

[cockhat]

If a new ground is built it’s not going to be built in isolation. It’s extremely likely that it will be part of a residential/leisure/commercial build. It will be one, which allows further revenue coming into the club,
Our current ground is too small without doubt, if we were to be promoted to the Championship. The loss revenue in numerous games this season(even if it’s only away fans) not being accommodated is sizeable.
Going to need a major construction/housing company along with Waltham Forest Council involvement, however there are sites within the borough where this could happen.
It will be interesting to hear the proposals of the bones iwners/investors.

Residential, major house builders really?
You are having a laugh! It’s about a new stadium - not Barrett’s or wimpy housing estate.

[Crisby]

Thanks chaps,
Much as I love Brissie and the memories it holds for me I can see we need to move.
Shame, as I was born in Clapton and dad used to go to Millfields dog racing track to watch the O's.
But....points taken.... and hopefully a few more this season. Up the O's

[Cheshunto]

All this talk of needing a bigger ground but when did we last have a crowd of over 9,000 ??
If we do move to a 17k capacity stadium then our sales and marketing team really need to work to increase our fan base or are we relying on allowing more away fans in ??

[Orientnil]

Pity Bazza's flats have sealed off Coronation Gardens... or would that land have been sacrosanct anyway?

[Chief crazy horse]

All this talk of needing a bigger ground but when did we last have a crowd of over 9,000 ??
If we do move to a 17k capacity stadium then our sales and marketing team really need to work to increase our fan base or are we relying on allowing more away fans in ??

Let's just keep treading water then, and any ambition we might have of increasing our fan base should be firmly kicked into touch..

[PKM]

I think with the right stadium in terms of design, location etc combined with the progressive attitude shown by Nigel/bod then we would be an attractive proposition, I think we could build towards averaging 13k-15k in a reasonable time frame.
Add in all the commercial benefits a new ground could give us .
Just hope it’s a decent location.

[LittleMate]

The reason for a new, bigger, stadium is all about potential. Thats what the investors buy into, because if we stay as we are we are not really investable. We are just a play thing to throw £3m a year away on.

Importantly there are sustainability rules coming in either next season or the season after that links expenditure to ground income - which effectively means constraints on smaller grounds in todays market. Kent said that on that basis we rank as a league two side and that the Os clearly do not see themselves in that domain. So a bigger ground it has to be given the economics of developing the current ground. To do that we need to scale up the size of the investor - and we seem to have done that with the ongoing process.

[Story of O]

If we do ever reach the Championship then away supporters could easily take us past 10000

[Top of the JES]

My first visit to Bolton yesterday and was very impressed with the stadium. It’s actually situated outside Bolton with good infrastructure for road and rail. a scaled down version of that would be superb and for me staying in Waltham Forest is preferred but not the be all and end all.

[Cheshunto]

All this talk of needing a bigger ground but when did we last have a crowd of over 9,000 ??
If we do move to a 17k capacity stadium then our sales and marketing team really need to work to increase our fan base or are we relying on allowing more away fans in ??

Let's just keep treading water then, and any ambition we might have of increasing our fan base should be firmly kicked into touch..

I’d be more inclined to agree if we had regular ‘sell outs’, but even for Man City it was less than 9k
It’s a real shame that we’re ‘boxed in ‘ by the flats

[Story of O]

If we had a bigger stadium, it would have sold out for City

[Hoover Attack]

My first visit to Bolton yesterday and was very impressed with the stadium. It’s actually situated outside Bolton with good infrastructure for road and rail. a scaled down version of that would be superb and for me staying in Waltham Forest is preferred but not the be all and end all.

They were premier league when it was opened.

[PKM]

All this talk of needing a bigger ground but when did we last have a crowd of over 9,000 ??
If we do move to a 17k capacity stadium then our sales and marketing team really need to work to increase our fan base or are we relying on allowing more away fans in ??

Let's just keep treading water then, and any ambition we might have of increasing our fan base should be firmly kicked into touch..

I’d be more inclined to agree if we had regular ‘sell outs’, but even for Man City it was less than 9k
It’s a real shame that we’re ‘boxed in ‘ by the flats

Re Man City, that was as sold out as you’re ever going to get. We lost some capacity due to the cameras. We could easily have filled way more than 9k, but we’re hitting the capacity ceiling all the time.

[Mistadobalina]

We can probably expect a bump in attendances because we'd raise the season ticket cap, it'd be easier for people to buy tickets where they want in groups, more flexibility to offer deals, larger away fan section, less people being put off by how dated our facilities are, and general buzz that comes with a new stadium.

All that said, an extra 1.5k to 2k for our average gate adds on what, an extra £1m a season in income? So a new ground will never pay for itself even in the long term, meaning we'd need a very sizeable bit of subsidy, even if we're making additional income from other sources and no longer having to pay rent.

[Cheshunto]

Let's just keep treading water then, and any ambition we might have of increasing our fan base should be firmly kicked into touch..

I’d be more inclined to agree if we had regular ‘sell outs’, but even for Man City it was less than 9k
It’s a real shame that we’re ‘boxed in ‘ by the flats

Re Man City, that was as sold out as you’re ever going to get. We lost some capacity due to the cameras. We could easily have filled way more than 9k, but we’re hitting the capacity ceiling all the time.

Yep, I agree, but what about all the Tuesday night games where the actual bums on seats ( not Devlins figures) is probably nearer 4,500 - 5,000.
Football in General is also making it easier for fans to watch from their armchairs with ‘wall to wall’ televised Football.
I think Saturday games will generally be well attended, as they are now while we’re doing well.
My concern is if we’re playing Burton on a Freezing Tuesday night in January and the game is on Sky…………

[Top of the JES]

My first visit to Bolton yesterday and was very impressed with the stadium. It’s actually situated outside Bolton with good infrastructure for road and rail. a scaled down version of that would be superb and for me staying in Waltham Forest is preferred but not the be all and end all.

They were premier league when it was opened.

Yeah I know that but the design is brilliant but too big for us if we had a 16 to 18000 seater version it would be perfect. (But probably too expensive)