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Re: Cup Fever!

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Top of the JES wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 5:13 pm
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 4:23 pm
Top of the JES wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 4:18 pm RW poor substitutions again.
It's more the fact our players are simply not good enough .
We were 2-0 up and he made two changes, changes alter the course of games BW score and get momentum, players were good enough to be two up but RW tinkered.
You can't play the starting XI the entire game especially with our squad that doesn't seem to be able to last the pace. Though I guess it could be argued Pratley could've come on in place of Brown at least you'd get some leadership there.
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King Harold next Orient manager once RW reign comes to an end
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Re: Cup Fever!

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Top of the JES wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 5:13 pm
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 4:23 pm
Top of the JES wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 4:18 pm RW poor substitutions again.
It's more the fact our players are simply not good enough .
We were 2-0 up and he made two changes, changes alter the course of games BW score and get momentum, players were good enough to be two up but RW tinkered.
Fair enough but how many times do we make substitutions that has no impact or like today makes things worse . That's down to having a poor squad of players to choose from .
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Re: Cup Fever!

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Don’t think RW was too happy with the fans at the end.
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This was vital to us. It meant a difference of at least £50000 to us
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Beradogs wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 5:19 pm Don’t think RW was too happy with the fans at the end.
Why would our fans be happy after that dog sh*t performance on top of last weeks debacle .?
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We as fans have the right to be unhappy with that performance and vent our anger and Frustration.
We will all calm down and be happy we are in the hat when The 2nd round draw is made.
Today’s performance and result just confirms what we already knew, we are not good enough to keep our L1 place and will be relegated to L2 next season.
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Re: Cup Fever!

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RedDwarf 1881 wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 5:18 pm
Top of the JES wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 5:13 pm
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 4:23 pm

It's more the fact our players are simply not good enough .
We were 2-0 up and he made two changes, changes alter the course of games BW score and get momentum, players were good enough to be two up but RW tinkered.
Fair enough but how many times do we make substitutions that has no impact or like today makes things worse . That's down to having a poor squad of players to choose from .
Common practice is don’t make subs if you are winning - we were 2-0 up and reasonably comfortable, RW should have left well alone.
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EliotNes wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 5:02 pm In post match interview I wonder if it’ll be mentioned that Stevenage also had to win on penalties to go through as an example of how hard it is to win against lower teams in the FA Cup.
Or maybe Harrogate beating Wrexham
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RedDwarf 1881 wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 5:23 pm
Beradogs wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 5:19 pm Don’t think RW was too happy with the fans at the end.
Why would our fans be happy after that dog sh*t performance on top of last weeks debacle .?
2nd round draw guaranteed £20k on top of the £45 k won for winning on penalties & the possibility of £70k for winning rd 2 .£25k for getting to rd 3 & £115k if we won that plus attendance splits.
So for prize money winning round 1 we've already won more than getting to play Brentford in the Mickey Mouse league Cup.
Win 3rd round we've got 200k to splash in January.
Lose today we get £15k. Exactly what we got for how far we got against Brentford . Be Happy because it's a boost to finances, that could get used for a striker.

Simple Economics, surely being a Trump fan you can understand that
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gshaw wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 5:14 pm
Top of the JES wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 5:13 pm
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 4:23 pm

It's more the fact our players are simply not good enough .
We were 2-0 up and he made two changes, changes alter the course of games BW score and get momentum, players were good enough to be two up but RW tinkered.
You can't play the starting XI the entire game especially with our squad that doesn't seem to be able to last the pace. Though I guess it could be argued Pratley could've come on in place of Brown at least you'd get some leadership there.
Didn’t have to make two double subs he does it all the time and it rarely makes it better.if you are controlling the game or it’s in the balance change it as little as possible. Your character assassination of Brown is relentless.
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Beradogs wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 5:19 pm Don’t think RW was too happy with the fans at the end.
Richie should worry less about us fans and concentrate on getting a tune out of our players.
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Re: Cup Fever!

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Top of the JES wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 5:36 pm
gshaw wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 5:14 pm
Top of the JES wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 5:13 pm

We were 2-0 up and he made two changes, changes alter the course of games BW score and get momentum, players were good enough to be two up but RW tinkered.
You can't play the starting XI the entire game especially with our squad that doesn't seem to be able to last the pace. Though I guess it could be argued Pratley could've come on in place of Brown at least you'd get some leadership there.
Didn’t have to make two double subs he does it all the time and it rarely makes it better.if you are controlling the game or it’s in the balance change it as little as possible. Your character assassination of Brown is relentless.
One of a number of players I personally wouldn't want in a League 1 squad. Nothing about his character, just what's shown on the pitch. Just a utility player to cover a few positions when there's no other options.
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Beradogs wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 5:19 pm Don’t think RW was too happy with the fans at the end.
I think that works both ways at the moment tbh!😆👍
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Top of the JES wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 5:36 pm
gshaw wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 5:14 pm
Top of the JES wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 5:13 pm

We were 2-0 up and he made two changes, changes alter the course of games BW score and get momentum, players were good enough to be two up but RW tinkered.
You can't play the starting XI the entire game especially with our squad that doesn't seem to be able to last the pace. Though I guess it could be argued Pratley could've come on in place of Brown at least you'd get some leadership there.
Didn’t have to make two double subs he does it all the time and it rarely makes it better.if you are controlling the game or it’s in the balance change it as little as possible. Your character assassination of Brown is relentless.
This isn’t 1978, the game isn’t played with 11 players anymore.

We should be able to make 2 changes without it affecting the quality of the line up that drastically.
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Except it did
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Hoover Attack wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 6:55 pm
Top of the JES wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 5:36 pm
gshaw wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 5:14 pm

You can't play the starting XI the entire game especially with our squad that doesn't seem to be able to last the pace. Though I guess it could be argued Pratley could've come on in place of Brown at least you'd get some leadership there.
Didn’t have to make two double subs he does it all the time and it rarely makes it better.if you are controlling the game or it’s in the balance change it as little as possible. Your character assassination of Brown is relentless.
This isn’t 1978, the game isn’t played with 11 players anymore.

We should be able to make 2 changes without it affecting the quality of the line up that drastically.
The players now should be fitter and have more technical ability, they’re also playing on far better pitches, of course they should be able to last a whole game.
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Top of the JES wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 7:08 pm Except it did
Undoubtedly.

But it shouldn’t. Brown and Obeiro was the first change, wasn’t it? I like both, shouldn’t have been an issue, how do you account for both having stinkers?
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cockhat wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 7:09 pm
Hoover Attack wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 6:55 pm
Top of the JES wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 5:36 pm

Didn’t have to make two double subs he does it all the time and it rarely makes it better.if you are controlling the game or it’s in the balance change it as little as possible. Your character assassination of Brown is relentless.
This isn’t 1978, the game isn’t played with 11 players anymore.

We should be able to make 2 changes without it affecting the quality of the line up that drastically.
The players now should be fitter and have more technical ability, they’re also playing on far better pitches, of course they should be able to last a whole game.
😂

The players are fitter than they ever have been. They get through more work than they ever have done. That’s why you need substitutions.
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Hoover Attack wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 4:41 pm Beckles and Galbraith the only ones to earn their money today.
Perkins?
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Hoover Attack wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 7:14 pm
cockhat wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 7:09 pm
Hoover Attack wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 6:55 pm

This isn’t 1978, the game isn’t played with 11 players anymore.

We should be able to make 2 changes without it affecting the quality of the line up that drastically.
The players now should be fitter and have more technical ability, they’re also playing on far better pitches, of course they should be able to last a whole game.
😂

The players are fitter than they ever have been. They get through more work than they ever have done. That’s why you need substitutions.
Absolute rubbish. Have you ever played football?
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Hoover Attack wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 7:13 pm
Top of the JES wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 7:08 pm Except it did
Undoubtedly.

But it shouldn’t. Brown and Obeiro was the first change, wasn’t it? I like both, shouldn’t have been an issue, how do you account for both having stinkers?
Agree but the problems with some of the subs are the knock ons and the players still left out there.

Bringing on Brown pushed out best player to right back, Gailbraith who is wasted there but also isn’t the best defender- a strange move in a game you need to see out.

Couple that with leaving Perkins out there to act as cover for Ethan, someone inexperienced and lacking game time meant that they walked through our right side for their goal.
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Hoover Attack wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 6:55 pm
Top of the JES wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 5:36 pm
gshaw wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 5:14 pm

You can't play the starting XI the entire game especially with our squad that doesn't seem to be able to last the pace. Though I guess it could be argued Pratley could've come on in place of Brown at least you'd get some leadership there.
Didn’t have to make two double subs he does it all the time and it rarely makes it better.if you are controlling the game or it’s in the balance change it as little as possible. Your character assassination of Brown is relentless.
This isn’t 1978, the game isn’t played with 11 players anymore.

We should be able to make 2 changes without it affecting the quality of the line up that drastically.
He knows that, we all know that... he's right to say Wellens is always making too many substitutions. Overuse is a team disruption.
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Oldham at home in the next round . After our narrow squeak today Oldham will fancy their chances
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Story of O wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 5:30 pm
EliotNes wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 5:02 pm In post match interview I wonder if it’ll be mentioned that Stevenage also had to win on penalties to go through as an example of how hard it is to win against lower teams in the FA Cup.
Or maybe Harrogate beating Wrexham
And Tamworth beating Huddersfield
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