“Highlights” v Arsenal youth team

[Adz]

The first is the problem when you expect a lower league keeper to be able to play from the back like a top flight keeper. The second was not his fault, he was in a position to allow Currie to play it back to him, Currie made a complete mess of it leaving him stranded.

Don't, understand this. Unless the goalkeeping coach is Darren Anderton it's totally on Howes that the position he took up was an overlap on the right wing.

See above

[Hoover Attack]

More than 1 person can muck up.

Currie got caught out, obviously. But Howlers positioning is absolutely criminal at this level. What the f*** was he still doing all the way over on the right?

Watch it again, he isn't positioned way over on the right, he is right of centre on the D. It's a standard position for a keeper to take to allow the defender to play the ball back to him so it isn't directly at goal, but across it in case the pass is overhit.

Sorry mate, you’re wrong.

[Hoover Attack]

Howlers hadn’t moved after taking the free kick, that’s all there is to it. He’d switched off.

[Adz]

Howlers hadn’t moved after taking the free kick, that’s all there is to it. He’d switched off.

Fair enough if you were at the game, but you can't tell that from the highlights.

[CEB2ElectricBoogaloo]

The angle of his run in the second suggests that he has completely switched off and either dawdled back or lost his sense of position completely and belatedly realised that he’s on the right side. After taking that kick, if he was playing high up the pitch as a starting position he should have moved a couple of yards left by the time of the break, and if his position was a bit more conservative (say five-ten yards outside penalty area) he had plenty of time to get himself there.
There’s no way a keeper finds himself sprinting into position from where he is, if he’s paying attention.

Wouldn’t blame a keeper for getting caught out by a sixty yarder if his positioning outside the box is deliberate for how the team sets up, but this isn’t that

[Long slender neck]

No evidence he was on the right. Its Currie's f*** up.

[Hoover Attack]

No evidence he was on the right. Its Currie's f*** up.

Other than the footage of him sprinting across at full pelt from the right to the left, you're completely right.

Currie was clearly robbed, no one is denying that. But Howlers should have been somewhere in the vicinity of his goal in this situation rather than having a chat with our subs warming up on the touchline.

[Hoover Attack]

Howlers has form for this switching off - I remember the last game of last season, routine back pass to him nearly went in because he just wasn't paying attention to the game, it was only the Orient fans behind him screaming that woke him up.

[Long slender neck]

No evidence he was on the right. Its Currie's f*** up.

Other than the footage of him sprinting across at full pelt from the right to the left, you're completely right.

Currie was clearly robbed, no one is denying that. But Howlers should have been somewhere in the vicinity of his goal in this situation rather than having a chat with our subs warming up on the touchline.

He's running back towards goal, understandably.

[The Reverend]

The angle of his run in the second suggests that he has completely switched off and either dawdled back or lost his sense of position completely and belatedly realised that he’s on the right side. After taking that kick, if he was playing high up the pitch as a starting position he should have moved a couple of yards left by the time of the break, and if his position was a bit more conservative (say five-ten yards outside penalty area) he had plenty of time to get himself there.
There’s no way a keeper finds himself sprinting into position from where he is, if he’s paying attention.

Wouldn’t blame a keeper for getting caught out by a sixty yarder if his positioning outside the box is deliberate for how the team sets up, but this isn’t that

Blimey… you actually know what you’re talking about when it comes to football. You should engage in the football threads more often!

[Sid Bishop]

The angle of his run in the second suggests that he has completely switched off and either dawdled back or lost his sense of position completely and belatedly realised that he’s on the right side. After taking that kick, if he was playing high up the pitch as a starting position he should have moved a couple of yards left by the time of the break, and if his position was a bit more conservative (say five-ten yards outside penalty area) he had plenty of time to get himself there.
There’s no way a keeper finds himself sprinting into position from where he is, if he’s paying attention.

Wouldn’t blame a keeper for getting caught out by a sixty yarder if his positioning outside the box is deliberate for how the team sets up, but this isn’t that

Blimey… you actually know what you’re talking about when it comes to football. You should engage in the football threads more often!

Yes I was also surprised at his very detailed comment on what the keeper got wrong in the second goal conceded. When interviewed about this game Richie thought that team played very well and absolved Howes of all blame for the two goals conceded. Well we all see things differently don't we !

[Proposition Joe]

Not that surprising that CEB knows his stuff on this subject as he's just been signed up as Sutton United Women's new keeper.

[Hoover Attack]

No evidence he was on the right. Its Currie's f*** up.

Other than the footage of him sprinting across at full pelt from the right to the left, you're completely right.

Currie was clearly robbed, no one is denying that. But Howlers should have been somewhere in the vicinity of his goal in this situation rather than having a chat with our subs warming up on the touchline.

He's running back towards goal, understandably.

He’s running across the f*cking pitch.

You really shouldn’t do football chat. Stick to asking the difficult questions on the hot topics of the day.

[Long slender neck]

He's running at a slight angle, to try and close down the man with the ball/get in a better position I suspect.

[Proposition Joe]

Close down the man with the ball? Eh?

[Hoover Attack]

Caca back to his wummery best

[CEB2ElectricBoogaloo]

Used a Google map view of the pitch to make sure the distances are right, but I think the placement is more or less accurate, and shows Howes’ position at the time he kicks the ball, and when he re-enters the frame.
It’s worse than I thought, because at the speed he’s running when he comes back in, he must have drifted further right than Dunners and then frantically tries to get back.
If it was a view of a park game, I’d assume that after kicking, the keeper either wandered right to get a great view of the attack on the opposite flank, or that he sort of jogged backwards without checking his position, then panicked.

What he definitely didn’t do is anything sensible

[Hoover Attack]

Fair play, the whip he gets on that ball.

[Hoover Attack]

he must have drifted further right than Dunners

[Hoover Attack]

Maybe all the people on the pitch got in his way or something?

[CEB2ElectricBoogaloo]

Fair play, the whip he gets on that ball.

I’m more depicting height than curve there, to be fair

[Long slender neck]

Close down the man with the ball? Eh?

Close the angle? He's trying to get across as the man with the ball is heading that way. Whatever. What else could he have done?

Its all irrelevant anyway, I doubt he'll ever play again.

[The Reverend]

Used a Google map view of the pitch to make sure the distances are right, but I think the placement is more or less accurate, and shows Howes’ position at the time he kicks the ball, and when he re-enters the frame.
It’s worse than I thought, because at the speed he’s running when he comes back in, he must have drifted further right than Dunners and then frantically tries to get back.
If it was a view of a park game, I’d assume that after kicking, the keeper either wandered right to get a great view of the attack on the opposite flank, or that he sort of jogged backwards without checking his position, then panicked.

What he definitely didn’t do is anything sensible

Of all the things I didn’t think would ever happen on this board: CEB using forensic tactical analysis to confirm that Howlers is indeed utter cack, and thus proving a point I’ve been making for about a year now, really is up there.

Fantastic stuff.

[CEB2ElectricBoogaloo]

Goalkeeping is the one bit of football I’m pretty good at. And since I’m too fat and old to jump any more, I’ve had to get a bit better at reading the game.
I probably wouldn’t get anywhere near any shot ever taken at me by a pro, but I would 100% not get caught out of position like that

[Long slender neck]

Used a Google map view of the pitch to make sure the distances are right, but I think the placement is more or less accurate, and shows Howes’ position at the time he kicks the ball, and when he re-enters the frame.
It’s worse than I thought, because at the speed he’s running when he comes back in, he must have drifted further right than Dunners and then frantically tries to get back.
If it was a view of a park game, I’d assume that after kicking, the keeper either wandered right to get a great view of the attack on the opposite flank, or that he sort of jogged backwards without checking his position, then panicked.

What he definitely didn’t do is anything sensible

Howes is more central than you have illustrated