Scum Found dead

[Proposition Joe]

I mean, he's got a point.

Assume you mean you'd have defended Savile's right to a trial though, rather than er, actively defending him?

[Long slender neck]

Yes yes, now answer my point about the girl who alleges she was raped. You can't say she's made it all up until she's had her day in court.

[spen666]

I mean, he's got a point.

Assume you mean you'd have defended Savile's right to a trial though, rather than er, actively defending him?

No, I would have happily represented him at a trial if instructed.

It is not a right to a fair trial if the accused can't get representation.

[Fenners131]

So Hitler & Epstein both stand accused ,
Both die before being brought to trial
Yet both are "Innocent till proven guilty ".

Yes yes i know , i dropped to that level
But spanner makes you do such things
M'Lord .

As I said in my other comment, apply Spens “argument” to Saville. Same thing.

Let that sink in, Spen is the kind of bloke who would actively defend Saville.

Chillling.

I would indeed have defended Jimmy Saville if he had faced a trial.

That is my job and I am proud to do it.

Everyone has the right to a fair trial.

If you have the evidence that they are guilty, then why are you so upset at letting them gave a fair trial

The Nazis at Nuremberg were given a fair trial and had counsel representing them.
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights of which Britain was a prime mover recognised the right to a Fair Trial as does the European Convention on Human Rights.

It is one of the cornerstones of a free society

Defending nonces might be a “cornerstone” for you, but most of the general public will disagree with you.


Out of interest, where do you sit at Brisbane Road? Just want to make sure that none of the younger members of my family are anywhere near you. The thought of letting them sit near the kind of creep who would defend somebody who molested them is really making my skin crawl.

[Proposition Joe]

Ah, I know who this is.

[Lucky7]

Esteban Buckingham Fenners go straight to jail don’t pass go

[Proposition Joe]

How many times should someone create dummy email addresses and re-register on a lower league message board just to have a go at the same bloke before they ask themselves if it's healthy behaviour?

[Long slender neck]

Sounds like harassment to me.

[CreamofSumYungGai]

How many times should someone create dummy email addresses and re-register on a lower league message board just to have a go at the same bloke before they ask themselves if it's healthy behaviour?

Hold up - were spen and Esteban the two that were constantly sniping at each other and permabanned?

[Redcard]

Fenners, you are stupid beyond belief. Accused Murderers, rapists, terrorists and yes pedophiles are entitled to legal representation, and to suggest that anyone who is employed to represent them somehow shares their views is ludicrous.
Lawyers for both the prosecution and defense put forward their submissions and a jury decides the outcome.
Innocent until found guilty , the logic being that a jury can decide which of the submissions are more credible.
Perhaps you prefer the tried and tested ducking stool.

[tuffers#1]

So Hitler & Epstein both stand accused ,
Both die before being brought to trial
Yet both are "Innocent till proven guilty ".

Yes yes i know , i dropped to that level
But spanner makes you do such things
M'Lord .

As I said in my other comment, apply Spens “argument” to Saville. Same thing.

Let that sink in, Spen is the kind of bloke who would actively defend Saville.

Chillling.

I would indeed have defended Jimmy Saville if he had faced a trial.

That is my job and I am proud to do it.

Everyone has the right to a fair trial.

If you have the evidence that they are guilty, then why are you so upset at letting them gave a fair trial

The Nazis at Nuremberg were given a fair trial and had counsel representing them.
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights of which Britain was a prime mover recognised the right to a Fair Trial as does the European Convention on Human Rights.

It is one of the cornerstones of a free society

When a piece of Scum like Epstein uses the U.S constitution to get away with
Peadophilia , soliciting minors etc , then make sure you defend him without your SOUL spammy666 seems like the devil really has done a deal for your soul already.

But then most legals are a bit ropey when they can be

" The Miami Herald report prompted Nebraska senator Ben Sasse to prod the Justice Department to investigate the plea deal negotiated by Acosta. The deal, in which Epstein pleaded guilty to two state charges of soliciting prostitution from a minor, granted him and his potential accomplices immunity from federal charges. In February, the DOJ announced its inquiry into “allegations that Department attorneys may have committed professional misconduct in the manner in which the Epstein criminal matter was resolved.” Also in February, a U.S. district judge ruled that because prosecutors did not inform victims of the plea or provide the opportunity to testify about it, the deal violated the Crime Victims’ Rights Act".

https://www.google.com/amp/nymag.com/in ... stein.html

[spen666]

As I said in my other comment, apply Spens “argument” to Saville. Same thing.

Let that sink in, Spen is the kind of bloke who would actively defend Saville.

Chillling.

I would indeed have defended Jimmy Saville if he had faced a trial.

That is my job and I am proud to do it.

Everyone has the right to a fair trial.

If you have the evidence that they are guilty, then why are you so upset at letting them gave a fair trial

The Nazis at Nuremberg were given a fair trial and had counsel representing them.
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights of which Britain was a prime mover recognised the right to a Fair Trial as does the European Convention on Human Rights.

It is one of the cornerstones of a free society

When a piece of Scum like Epstein uses the U.S constitution to get away with
Peadophilia , soliciting minors etc , then make sure you defend him without your SOUL spammy666 seems like the devil really has done a deal for your soul already.

But then most legals are a bit ropey when they can be

" The Miami Herald report prompted Nebraska senator Ben Sasse to prod the Justice Department to investigate the plea deal negotiated by Acosta. The deal, in which Epstein pleaded guilty to two state charges of soliciting prostitution from a minor, granted him and his potential accomplices immunity from federal charges. In February, the DOJ announced its inquiry into “allegations that Department attorneys may have committed professional misconduct in the manner in which the Epstein criminal matter was resolved.” Also in February, a U.S. district judge ruled that because prosecutors did not inform victims of the plea or provide the opportunity to testify about it, the deal violated the Crime Victims’ Rights Act".

https://www.google.com/amp/nymag.com/in ... stein.html

Fortunately we do not have trials in UK or USA based on random quotes from media.

Red card sets the position out very clearly.


It's rather worrying that some people get so wound up and angry by the idea of accused persons having a fair trial.

[point nine one eight]

Defending a convicted nonce? Pretty chilling to think about the kind of people you might be sitting next to at Brisbane Road.

Who is a convicted nonce in this case? No evidence had been presented at the time of his death.

He may or may not have done the acts alleged.

Everyone has a right to a fair trial irrespective of the crime alleged.

I think the time he was convicted of being a nonce back in 2008 qualifies him for the title convicted nonce.

But you carry on defending him, creep.

You’re probably one of those who bemoans that Saville can’t defend himself.

As I said, really chilling to think that I, or members of my family, could be sitting next to the likes of you at Brisbane Road.

Or worse you could be sat next to Disoriented

[CreamofSumYungGai]

I know spen loves facts but he seems to be overlooking the one that this scumbag is a convicted nonce. Strange.

[spen666]

I know spen loves facts but he seems to be overlooking the one that this scumbag is a convicted nonce. Strange.

The fact someone was convicted of an offence a decade ago does not mean they are guilty of the current allegations

[CreamofSumYungGai]

Of course.

But he’s still a convicted nonce. Pretty sure that means it’s ok to call him a ‘monster’, even if it was such a long time ago.

[spen666]

Of course.

But he’s still a convicted nonce. Pretty sure that means it’s ok to call him a ‘monster’, even if it was such a long time ago.

Do you even know what offence he was convicted of?

[CreamofSumYungGai]

What did he agree to let them charge him with in the end? Couple of counts of minor prostitution and trafficking?

[spen666]

What did he agree to let them charge him with in the end? Couple of counts of minor prostitution and trafficking?

If you are calling him all the names then at least you would know what he was convicted of

[CreamofSumYungGai]

It's all on the interweb if you want to research your defence case, spenny.

At least the bits that weren't kept secret under the deal.

[Proposition Joe]

Pled guilty to one charge of soliciting a prostitute and one of procuring a minor for prostitution under a plea deal. Prosecutors had identified over 30 underage girls, some as young as 14, who'd been procured for sex work.

I agree with you on the trial stuff but in terms of claiming he shouldn't be called a bad word, if you want to die on the hill for this one spen, it's an odd one to choose.

[Max B Gold]

Apparently one Prime Minister has a lot to worry about and that Prince Andrew must be sweating like a man in a Swedish sauna.

[CreamofSumYungGai]

If even Donald Trump starts trying to distance himself, you know he's a bad name.

[Max B Gold]

If even Donald Trump starts trying to distance himself, you know he's a bad name.

Didn't they used to be really good mates. It's shameful that he should ditch him in his time of need.

I see he's now grassing up the Clintons via Twitter assisted by the Russian Bots!!

[CreamofSumYungGai]

If even Donald Trump starts trying to distance himself, you know he's a bad name.

Didn't they used to be really good mates. It's shameful that he should ditch him in his time of need.

I see he's now grassing up the Clintons via Twitter assisted by the Russian Bots!!

Just because the pair of them used to have private parties with only themselves and 50 or so young girls does not mean they were ever good mates.