The baby murdering nurse

[CEB]

You can’t be bothered to post it because the telegraph have not stated what you claimed they did. You know this, I know this, the person you’ve quoting knows this.

It’s really weird that some people are so averse to being wrong that rather than say “ah I might have misread” (which nobody would hold against him) they instead double down with transparent “I can’t be bothered”

Similar to how Dave Dunsmore did a “game day - must dash” after being pulled up for seeming to say “don’t criticise club owners until you’ve owned a club”

[CEB]

Bloody hell. All the divisive nutjobs are seizing this opportunity.

Jonathan Willoughby will do anything to get a bit of attention. Yesterday he said he’d wanted England to win the World Cup “ever since I was a little girl”, he’s totally hatstand (and a right wing anti immigration racist, though he tends to keep a lid on that nowadays)

[Max B Gold]

Here we go. I'm only surprised it's taken this long.

Another perspective

[Proposition Joe]

Sarkar always seems pretty measured, quick to call out racism even where others might not see it immediately, but rarely loses her mind over it to the detriment of any point she may have. Walks the tightrope pretty well.

[CEB]

Ash Sarkar is right there, but the initial point is just totally useless at this stage

[Max B Gold]

Ash Sarkar is right there, but the initial point is just totally useless at this stage

I blame Dunners for trying to inflame the MB and ruining an already ruined thread.

[spen666]

Someone should tell Keir Starmer to read the telegraph as he wants the law changed!

Need to tell all legal profession to speak to Lenny on the Internet as he knows the position unlike them

I think the Telegraph is what could be considered a cut above The Star.

I think a High Court Judge with over 50 years legal experience and the current and former Justice Secretaries are probably considered in law a cut above an unnamed person who has allegedly written an article in the Telegraph on a date unknow say something you are not prepared to be scrutinised.

The leading lawyer and legal journalist in England believes there is no power to bring someone into a court room by force in his article headlined

https://tinyurl.com/2xn84986

which can be read at
https://tinyurl.com/2xn84986


Joshua Rozenberg provides an insight int owhat the Telegraph said

The Telegraph infers from remarks by a “government source” that she could be forced to attend. ....

Now this is not quite what internet source Lenny claims.

Mr Rozenberg goes onto provide more evidence from the Telgraph

The Telegraph quotes Mr Justice Goss as saying: “The sentencing hearing will take place whether she is present or not. The court has no power to force her to attend. Therefore, there is nothing I can do about it.”

Now the Telegraph, this time is quoting a legal expert who is not inferring anything, but is very definitive about the law.

Of course Mr Goss may be a legal ignoramus compared to Lenny. however, if he is so wrong on a basic point of criminal law like this, then it must raise questions as to whether the convictions of Letsby are safe as Lenny is sure Mr Justice Goss doesn't know the law.

Mr Rozenberg goes on to make further reference to the lack of legal authority to force someone into a court room

Sir Robert Buckland, the former justice secretary, has spoken about the practical difficulties of bringing unwilling defendants into court. The Secret Barrister wrote about this in April. I wrote about it in February. But the government is pressing ahead with legislation.

[spen666]

If Lenny in his fantasy world was right and all the lawyers quoted were wrong, don't you think someone from the Government would have pointed Mr Goss to the relevant power to force Letby to be in court today, given how high profile this case is.

Strangely, even in his sentencing at lunchtime today, Mr Goss was insisting that Lenny is wrong in law and that the court do not have the power to force a defendant into the court room

[Daily Express bot]

If Lenny in his fantasy world was right and all the lawyers quoted were wrong, don't you think someone from the Government would have pointed Mr Goss to the relevant power to force Letby to be in court today, given how high profile this case is.

Strangely, even in his sentencing at lunchtime today, Mr Goss was insisting that Lenny is wrong in law and that the court do not have the power to force a defendant into the court room

Who is Goss?

[CEB]

Not following the case very closely, are you?

[Daily Express bot]

Not following the case very closely, are you?

I find it too depressing and very sad , that in this day and age babies are being murdered by their parents at home and in hospitals often under the nose of the authorities supposedly there to protect them. I remember the Maria Caldwell case years ago ‘Never again’ they said.

[CEB]

Maybe don’t talk about a case you know nothing about, as if you know better than those who are following it?

[StillSpike]

Is refusing to attend court for sentencing a relatively new trend? Sure it's not something that people have suddenly discovered they can do but you never used to hear about it as far as I can recall.

I suspect it's not a new trend at all - I can't think of a reason why convicted criminals should suddenly be more likely to refuse to come to court now than before. What I do think is that, especially in these awful and high profile cases, the "adding insult to injury" aspect of refusing to come is seized upon by the media.

I guess the argument goes that the humiliation of having to stand and listen to the Judge handing down the sentence is almost another part of the punishment - so that defendants NOT showing up are seen as almost getting away without suffering the full effect. With our media and public very eager to see them suffer - witness the expressions on here around hanging etc and of dragging them in using as many guards as needed - then when it's one of these horrific cases it feels so much more sensational. You only have to look at the Labour Party trying to appear even tougher on the Letbys of the world, the Government (through their sources and the Telegraph) implying that they would somehow compel future Letbys to attend (without saying how) to see how much the public have been conditioned to think it's suddenly so prevalent.

When you consider all the appalling things that this woman has done - failing to attend court to hear her sentence is, I would suggest, the very least of them.

[CEB]

It’s also one of those aspects where it’s ambiguous as to whether it’s a good thing or not. It’s almost a catch 22 - the convicts who *want* to be there because they don’t give a f*** can make it worse by smirking/otherwise disrespecting the families.

[Admin]

It's just the government, opposition and mainly right-wing media disgracefully using this trial and lack of attendance as another piece of red-meat to throw at the racists / nutters in the marginal seats.

NB Starmer predictably confirming he'd compel the Letby's of this world to attend sentencing without giving any indication as to how that could be done. More crackdowns and flag shagging.

It might be reported already but perhaps we should leave the effects and emotion of her non-attendance to be expressed by those most affected by her crimes.

[FrankOFile]

Sarkar always seems pretty measured, quick to call out racism even where others might not see it immediately, but rarely loses her mind over it to the detriment of any point she may have. Walks the tightrope pretty well.

She just fell off with this tripe.

[Proposition Joe]

What tripe?

[Stowaway]

It's just the government, opposition and mainly right-wing media disgracefully using this trial and lack of attendance as another piece of red-meat to throw at the racists / nutters in the marginal seats.

NB Starmer predictably confirming he'd compel the Letby's of this world to attend sentencing without giving any indication as to how that could be done. More crackdowns and flag shagging.

It might be reported already but perhaps we should leave the effects and emotion of her non-attendance to be expressed by those most affected by her crimes.

Here’s the ever-reliable Secret Barrister explaining exactly why this isn’t going to happen.

https://thesecretbarrister.com/2023/04/ ... have-done/

[Daily Express bot]

The secret Barrister confirming what I said earlier and Radio 4 Midnight news now repeating what I said about powers already exist to force defendants into courts to hear their sentence, reluctance to enforce due to not wanting focus of sympathy being transferred from victim to convict as they kick , scream and create a serious fracas,

[Orient_Man_And_Boy]

Here we go. I'm only surprised it's taken this long.

Another perspective

Well the first is a racist comment. But of course no action will be taken because it’s against ‘white’ people.
And can you imagine the to-do if the nurse under suspicion had been ‘black’, every newspaper would have instantly labelled it as racial bullying.

The simple truth is that the NHS authorities had no backbone and failed to act.

[Proposition Joe]

Gonna go out on a limb and say that I don't think the NHS would have allowed a BME nurse to murder babies for fear of being called racist.

Also, you appear to have not read a single newspaper in decades if you think they're all woke.

[StillSpike]

Is refusing to attend court for sentencing a relatively new trend? Sure it's not something that people have suddenly discovered they can do but you never used to hear about it as far as I can recall.

I suspect it's not a new trend at all - I can't think of a reason why convicted criminals should suddenly be more likely to refuse to come to court now than before. What I do think is that, especially in these awful and high profile cases, the "adding insult to injury" aspect of refusing to come is seized upon by the media.

I guess the argument goes that the humiliation of having to stand and listen to the Judge handing down the sentence is almost another part of the punishment - so that defendants NOT showing up are seen as almost getting away without suffering the full effect. With our media and public very eager to see them suffer - witness the expressions on here around hanging etc and of dragging them in using as many guards as needed - then when it's one of these horrific cases it feels so much more sensational. You only have to look at the Labour Party trying to appear even tougher on the Letbys of the world, the Government (through their sources and the Telegraph) implying that they would somehow compel future Letbys to attend (without saying how) to see how much the public have been conditioned to think it's suddenly so prevalent.

When you consider all the appalling things that this woman has done - failing to attend court to hear her sentence is, I would suggest, the very least of them.

Well here's a f*cking surprise.

[Dunners]

I still cannot see it ever happening, or being enforced.

[StillSpike]

I still cannot see it ever happening, or being enforced.

That's very cynical of you.

The government has listened to the outrage that their friends in the press stirred up and have acted decisively to address that outrage and to stop these awful people doing that awful thing. Of course it's going to happen - it says it on the BBC.

[Admin]

More red meat which both Rishi and Sir fanny will throw around to lame-brains in the marginals. It's how elections are won these days......

Can't be long before capital punishment gets a serious run out for consideration. Or castration for perverts / doing away with all forms of environmental nonsense like Ulez.

Oh - and of course, it's also time we ditched hooman rights and f*cked off the ECHR bullshit. f*** knows how much lower these pair of fannies will have stooped come late 2024.