Russia / Ukraine Watch

[Max Fowler]

This has the potential to trigger article 4, not 5, of NATO. If all is confirmed, this likely to see significant increase in arms supplies to Ukraine. We're not going to war yet.

Looks like it wasn't the Russians after all.

You would say that wouldn't you? Who told you that? Russia Today? Corbyn?

[Max B Gold]

This has the potential to trigger article 4, not 5, of NATO. If all is confirmed, this likely to see significant increase in arms supplies to Ukraine. We're not going to war yet.

Looks like it wasn't the Russians after all.

You would say that wouldn't you? Who told you that? Russia Today? Corbyn?

Sleepy Joe let the cat out of the bag.

[Max B Gold]

This has the potential to trigger article 4, not 5, of NATO. If all is confirmed, this likely to see significant increase in arms supplies to Ukraine. We're not going to war yet.

Looks like it wasn't the Russians after all.

Has that been confirmed?

I've read that it may have been a Ukrainian air defence missile that was launched to intercept the incoming Russian rockets. Hopefully it will cool some of the heads calling for escalation. However, Ukraine would be launching air defence missiles if they were not under attack by Russia in the first place.

Doesn't need confirming. Sleepy Joe has given the game away already.

Ukrainia is only able to launch air defence missiles because they got them as an early Xmas present from the warmongers at NATO.

Anyway it's time for peace talks which is what was being discussed between US and Russia in Ankara the other day.

[tuffers#1]

Looks like it wasn't the Russians after all.

You would say that wouldn't you? Who told you that? Russia Today? Corbyn?

Sleepy Joe let the cat out of the bag.

Ludivine Dedonder has tweeted that ukranian defence missile & Rusky attack missile landed in Poland .
War Criminal Putin wants peace talks to save his life .

[tuffers#1]

[Max B Gold]

This morning the British ambassadors in Kiev and Moscow handed the Ukrainia and Russian governments a final note stating that unless we heard from them by 11 o'clock that they were prepared at once to withdraw their missile debris from Poland, a state of war would exist between us. I have to tell you now that no such undertaking has been received, and that consequently this country is at war with Ukrainia and Russia.

[tuffers#1]

This morning the British ambassadors in KIev and Moscow handed the Ukrainia and Russian governments a final note stating that unless we heard from them by 11 o'clock that they were prepared at once to withdraw their missile debris from Poland, a state of war would exist between us. I have to tell you now that no such undertaking has been received, and that consequently this country is at war with Ukrainia and Russia.

[tuffers#1]

It seems Russia is destroying its own shopping malls
now as well as Ukraines .

[tuffers#1]

Happy new year from Russia
Love the guy in the Burgundy Jackett

[RedDwarf 1881]

My workmate showed me some footage this evening on his phone taken in Ukraine . Somebody he knew sent it to him . Trust me it was grotesque .I had to look away .

[Dunners]

Plenty of that kind of content available if you know where to look. The casualty rate on both sides is going to be horrific.

[VeganO]

Looks like it wasn't the Russians after all.

Has that been confirmed?

I've read that it may have been a Ukrainian air defence missile that was launched to intercept the incoming Russian rockets. Hopefully it will cool some of the heads calling for escalation. However, Ukraine would be launching air defence missiles if they were not under attack by Russia in the first place.

Doesn't need confirming. Sleepy Joe has given the game away already.

Ukrainia is only able to launch air defence missiles because they got them as an early Xmas present from the warmongers at NATO.

Anyway it's time for peace talks which is what was being discussed between US and Russia in Ankara the other day.

If NATO are warmongers then how would we describe Russia which has invaded a sovereign state because it wants more territory? Russia is also deliberately targeting & killing civilians which is of course a war crime.
No Government or organisation is perfect but the Russian regime is evil & dangerous.

[Max B Gold]

Has that been confirmed?

I've read that it may have been a Ukrainian air defence missile that was launched to intercept the incoming Russian rockets. Hopefully it will cool some of the heads calling for escalation. However, Ukraine would be launching air defence missiles if they were not under attack by Russia in the first place.

Doesn't need confirming. Sleepy Joe has given the game away already.

Ukrainia is only able to launch air defence missiles because they got them as an early Xmas present from the warmongers at NATO.

Anyway it's time for peace talks which is what was being discussed between US and Russia in Ankara the other day.

If NATO are warmongers then how would we describe Russia which has invaded a sovereign state because it wants more territory? Russia is also deliberately targeting & killing civilians which is of course a war crime.
No Government or organisation is perfect but the Russian regime is evil & dangerous.

Easily. Both NATO and Russia are warmongers. This isn't difficult you know.

[RedDwarf 1881]

Has that been confirmed?

I've read that it may have been a Ukrainian air defence missile that was launched to intercept the incoming Russian rockets. Hopefully it will cool some of the heads calling for escalation. However, Ukraine would be launching air defence missiles if they were not under attack by Russia in the first place.

Doesn't need confirming. Sleepy Joe has given the game away already.

Ukrainia is only able to launch air defence missiles because they got them as an early Xmas present from the warmongers at NATO.

Anyway it's time for peace talks which is what was being discussed between US and Russia in Ankara the other day.

If NATO are warmongers then how would we describe Russia which has invaded a sovereign state because it wants more territory? Russia is also deliberately targeting & killing civilians which is of course a war crime.
No Government or organisation is perfect but the Russian regime is evil & dangerous.

The trouble is the whole Russian hierarchy has gone rogue , not just Putin .

[VeganO]

Doesn't need confirming. Sleepy Joe has given the game away already.

Ukrainia is only able to launch air defence missiles because they got them as an early Xmas present from the warmongers at NATO.

Anyway it's time for peace talks which is what was being discussed between US and Russia in Ankara the other day.

If NATO are warmongers then how would we describe Russia which has invaded a sovereign state because it wants more territory? Russia is also deliberately targeting & killing civilians which is of course a war crime.
No Government or organisation is perfect but the Russian regime is evil & dangerous.

Easily. Both NATO and Russia are warmongers. This isn't difficult you know.

You are way off with this conflict which you will recall started when Russia invaded a sovereign state under the ludicrous pretext of denazification of Ukraine. So should we have just ignored it letting Russia overrun the whole of Ukraine & not helped the latter in any way?

[ComeOnYouOs]

I believe Ukraine can't win this war, and if it goes on and on, Russia will win.
By supplying Ukraine with money and weapons, the West, is prolonging this war, which means more deaths.
It suits USA to have a weakened Russia, hence their interest in prolonging this war.
A neutral country(if there is one), must broker peace talks.
Once again, the UN has proved useless.
The death and suffering is truly terrible, and this war must end

[Max B Gold]

No. That's not what I'm saying. Ukrainia should be supported in resisting the special operation. Russia are the aggressors but NATO have a history of it too.

[Max B Gold]

An interesting article:

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/r ... -paved-how

[Long slender neck]

I believe Ukraine can't win this war, and if it goes on and on, Russia will win.
By supplying Ukraine with money and weapons, the West, is prolonging this war, which means more deaths.
It suits USA to have a weakened Russia, hence their interest in prolonging this war.
A neutral country(if there is one), must broker peace talks.
Once again, the UN has proved useless.
The death and suffering is truly terrible, and this war must end

The war ends with Putin dying and the Russian people taking control of their country to live in a civilised democracy.

[Adz]

An interesting article:

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/r ... -paved-how

What a load of apologist crap. Sovereign states have every right to join nato without the fear of reprisal. Russia weaponised and funded Ukrainian regions to civil war, and when this failed went to war themselves.

[Adz]

I believe Ukraine can't win this war, and if it goes on and on, Russia will win.
By supplying Ukraine with money and weapons, the West, is prolonging this war, which means more deaths.
It suits USA to have a weakened Russia, hence their interest in prolonging this war.
A neutral country(if there is one), must broker peace talks.
Once again, the UN has proved useless.
The death and suffering is truly terrible, and this war must end

The war ends with Putin dying and the Russian people taking control of their country to live in a civilised democracy.

The death of putin will not create a democracy. There is a long line of megalomaniacs waiting to take over

[Mistadobalina]

An interesting article:

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/r ... -paved-how

It's the collection of russian apologist talking points and shilling that have been shared for the last year by the weird fringe left. Nothing new or interesting in it at all.

[Max B Gold]

An interesting article:

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/r ... -paved-how

It's the collection of russian apologist talking points and shilling that have been shared for the last year by the weird fringe left. Nothing new or interesting in it at all.

Perhaps but it does add some much needed context.

Are you able to highlight for us the bits that are incorrect/false or misleading?

PS. Name calling only confuses and isn't actually in any way an argument or a refutation of the points you think it is. Only debate clarifies.

[Dunners]

I believe Ukraine can't win this war, and if it goes on and on, Russia will win.
By supplying Ukraine with money and weapons, the West, is prolonging this war, which means more deaths.
It suits USA to have a weakened Russia, hence their interest in prolonging this war.
A neutral country(if there is one), must broker peace talks.
Once again, the UN has proved useless.
The death and suffering is truly terrible, and this war must end

The war ends with Putin dying and the Russian people taking control of their country to live in a civilised democracy.

Unlikely, unfortunately. Putin may fall if Russia is defeated and pushed back to the February 2021 boundaries, definitely if back to the 2014 boundaries. But he'll be replaced with someone else from the same cabal. It will be interesting to see how some of the other ex-soviet states in central Asia react to such a scenario, however.

It's likely that we're going to see a further huge invasion of poorly trained and equipped Russian (and possibly Belarussian) troops. The age old Russian tactic of sheer numbers being a quality of its own. They're going to meet Ukrainian forces that will be much fewer in number, but be more motivated and with better equipment.

It's going to be an absolute bloodbath, but f*ck knows how this is going to end. If I had to guess, I'd go with an outcome equivalent to Europe having a Korea or Libya on its doorstep.

[Max Fowler]

An interesting article:

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/r ... -paved-how

It's the collection of russian apologist talking points and shilling that have been shared for the last year by the weird fringe left. Nothing new or interesting in it at all.

Perhaps but it does add some much needed context.

Are you able to highlight for us the bits that are incorrect/false or misleading?

PS. Name calling only confuses and isn't actually in any way an argument or a refutation of the points you think it is. Only debate clarifies.

Be fair - being called 'weird fringe left' by centrists is more polite than being called 'loony left' by the righties.