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[StillSpike]

I'm pretty certain that if it really was an "independent" review, BJ wouldn't smirk every time he referred to it. Neither would any of his henchpeople.

[Dohnut]

I'm pretty certain that if it really was an "independent" review, BJ wouldn't smirk every time he referred to it. Neither would any of his henchpeople.

I suspect and hope the review is thorough and fair. The person doing it has previous for doing just this. And her findings can be and probably will be rigorously tested. As the auditor her findings too are under the microscope.

Without doubt some will be unhappy with the findings, we await who.

[greyhound]

you scratch my back I will scratch yours.

[tuffers#1]

I suspect they will be looking to see if the event was a party or a work event and whether is was reasonable for Boris to believe it was a work event.

And what, if any, Covid rules were broken and by whom.

Reviews like this remove the populist rhetoric and hysteria and look at cold, hard facts.

https://fullfact.org/health/outdoor-par ... -may-2020/

Rules in the workplace

As part of the government’s recovery strategy, it also published new guidelines for employers and staff on how to manage workplaces safely.

As a general principle, it advised employers that “you need to think about the risks [workers] face and do everything reasonably practicable to minimise them, recognising you cannot completely eliminate the risk of COVID-19.”

Assuming that Downing Street staff were considered essential workers who could not do their jobs from home, they were required to keep two metres apart whenever possible.

The workplace guidelines that applied in May 2020 do not say whether social gatherings between colleagues in the workplace were permitted, although they do advise that different teams should usually avoid mixing “as far as possible”.

The guidelines also say that meetings should usually be limited to “only absolutely necessary participants”. It also advised that these should be held outdoors or in well ventilated areas when possible. A separate document also said “workers should try to minimise all meetings and other gatherings in the workplace".

The guidelines said that breaks in common areas should usually be staggered and that any seating in these areas should be reconfigured “to maintain spacing and reduce face-to-face interactions.”

The government’s outdoor guidance on 20 May 2020 also said: “Businesses should also take reasonable steps to avoid people being gathered together.”

I have little doubt the review will examine the rules in detail and publish their findings. The review will consider the rules in their entirety and if see any exemptions can be applied or not. I hope and believe the outcome will be a fair and impartial review, as any audit should be.

What I do know is that snippets, such as you have identified, don’t always tell the full story. Life I rarely that simple.

The outcome could well mean Boris has little option but go. If so it will be as a result of an independent review.

[Mistadobalina]

I'm pretty certain that if it really was an "independent" review, BJ wouldn't smirk every time he referred to it. Neither would any of his henchpeople.

I suspect and hope the review is thorough and fair. The person doing it has previous for doing just this. And her findings can be and probably will be rigorously tested. As the auditor her findings too are under the microscope.

Without doubt some will be unhappy with the findings, we await who.

This isn't a judicial review. The person who defined, signed off on and will judge the terms and eventual findings is the main subject of the investigation. It's a charade created to give Johnson enough wiggle room to say he didn't directly endorse a series of events that either were obviously not in the spirit of the law or broke the rules entirely.

I assumed that no-one was dim enough to buy into this.

[Dunners]

I'm pretty certain that if it really was an "independent" review, BJ wouldn't smirk every time he referred to it. Neither would any of his henchpeople.

I suspect and hope the review is thorough and fair. The person doing it has previous for doing just this. And her findings can be and probably will be rigorously tested. As the auditor her findings too are under the microscope.

Without doubt some will be unhappy with the findings, we await who.

Sue Grey is not independent. Nor is she appointed as an Auditor. She is a civil servant who has been asked to put together a report for the approval of the Prime Minister (or his PPS). Whatever version of the report is eventually shared with the Commons, everyone should keep all of this in mind.

That being said, Sue Grey does appear to have a reputation for acting with integrity.

[BoniO]

Anyone with half a brain knows Boris is in the wrong and lying through his teeth to save his own skin. We'll judge the integrity of the inquiry, and the person leading it, on the outcome of said Inquiry. If he comes out clean, it's a whitewash. It's that simple.

[tuffers#1]

Doh mixing it with the " dark side ".


Owned !

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

I'm pretty certain that if it really was an "independent" review, BJ wouldn't smirk every time he referred to it. Neither would any of his henchpeople.

He should do a wink to the camera. Or maybe those apostrophe things with your fingers.

Properly take the piss out of us.

[Dohnut]

https://fullfact.org/health/outdoor-par ... -may-2020/

Rules in the workplace

As part of the government’s recovery strategy, it also published new guidelines for employers and staff on how to manage workplaces safely.

As a general principle, it advised employers that “you need to think about the risks [workers] face and do everything reasonably practicable to minimise them, recognising you cannot completely eliminate the risk of COVID-19.”

Assuming that Downing Street staff were considered essential workers who could not do their jobs from home, they were required to keep two metres apart whenever possible.

The workplace guidelines that applied in May 2020 do not say whether social gatherings between colleagues in the workplace were permitted, although they do advise that different teams should usually avoid mixing “as far as possible”.

The guidelines also say that meetings should usually be limited to “only absolutely necessary participants”. It also advised that these should be held outdoors or in well ventilated areas when possible. A separate document also said “workers should try to minimise all meetings and other gatherings in the workplace".

The guidelines said that breaks in common areas should usually be staggered and that any seating in these areas should be reconfigured “to maintain spacing and reduce face-to-face interactions.”

The government’s outdoor guidance on 20 May 2020 also said: “Businesses should also take reasonable steps to avoid people being gathered together.”

I have little doubt the review will examine the rules in detail and publish their findings. The review will consider the rules in their entirety and if see any exemptions can be applied or not. I hope and believe the outcome will be a fair and impartial review, as any audit should be.

What I do know is that snippets, such as you have identified, don’t always tell the full story. Life I rarely that simple.

The outcome could well mean Boris has little option but go. If so it will be as a result of an independent review.

Pretty clear many of you have not been to work events of this type. Nor do you need pens and paper to have a business discussion. Max said no booze at working events, I disagreed and Starmer proves that. I’ve “enjoyed” outside working events, with booze in moderation, lots of people, and too be honest lots of good stuff can come out of such informal work events. Sometimes more so than being stuck in a room.

I have no love for Boris and won’t be crying should he go. But the hysteria over this needs to be calmed down. As yet I have yet to see anything that suggests this was not a working event, even outside on a sunny day, even with wine.

What matters is if any Covid rules were broken. We can all accept the event was in poor taste, that is clear. Poor judgement, the issue is did it break any Covid rules, rules when looked at in their entirety, not cherry picking bits.

The review will not be influenced by the media frenzy, Boris being an bumhole, even the stories of others and their family loss. It will look at what happened and compare that to the laws. If laws have been broken, clear evidence will be provided. If that happens the calls for Boris to go will be hard to resist.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Mate, there’s a couple rolling around on the grass in the top right hand corner.

[BoniO]

I actually went back and looked.......

[Mistadobalina]

Mate, there’s a couple rolling around on the grass in the top right hand corner.

You've obviously not risen to the level of business success where invitations to work meetings have BYOB in the header.

Seems like Johnson's tactic, which was always to hang on just long enough for the matter to seem like a partisan thing and for the useful idiots who are naturally on his side to start doing the mental gymnastics to rationalise this behaviour, might work.

[Jack]

Johnson is a dead man walking. I cannot see anyway he can survive. An intriguing part of this, is, will the Tory Party split?

Peter Oborne, a respected journo, believes they will, with Johnsons followers forming their own party . It wouldnt be the first time the conservative Party has split. All interesting stuff

[Thor]

Boris is not going anywhere. He and the people in government have taken the piss out of us all. Some of us saw through it long ago and some of you are just waking up to it. Like spike and hotdog said above, they know its going to be stitch up cos he's relaxed, laughing and couldn't give two flying fucks about it.

I do feel for you all and how you’ve been played and mugged off.

[Dunners]

Boris is not going anywhere. He and the people in government have taken the piss out of us all. Some of us saw through it long ago and some of you are just waking up to it. Like spike and hotdog said above, they know its going to be stitch up cos he's relaxed, laughing and couldn't give two flying fucks about it.

I do feel for you all and how you’ve been played and mugged off.

I agree. People like spike and hotdog, who voted for him, must feel pretty foolish now.

[Long slender neck]

People arent 'waking up' to some covid conspiracy, like you believe and have peddled. Theyve realised Johnson is a cock who thinks hes above the rules and everyone else.

[Dunners]

Anyone on here from Hutton Hall near Brentwood? if so, ever see this Olivia sort?

[tuffers#1]

I have little doubt the review will examine the rules in detail and publish their findings. The review will consider the rules in their entirety and if see any exemptions can be applied or not. I hope and believe the outcome will be a fair and impartial review, as any audit should be.

What I do know is that snippets, such as you have identified, don’t always tell the full story. Life I rarely that simple.

The outcome could well mean Boris has little option but go. If so it will be as a result of an independent review.

Pretty clear many of you have not been to work events of this type. Nor do you need pens and paper to have a business discussion. Max said no booze at working events, I disagreed and Starmer proves that. I’ve “enjoyed” outside working events, with booze in moderation, lots of people, and too be honest lots of good stuff can come out of such informal work events. Sometimes more so than being stuck in a room.

I have no love for Boris and won’t be crying should he go. But the hysteria over this needs to be calmed down. As yet I have yet to see anything that suggests this was not a working event, even outside on a sunny day, even with wine.

What matters is if any Covid rules were broken. We can all accept the event was in poor taste, that is clear. Poor judgement, the issue is did it break any Covid rules, rules when looked at in their entirety, not cherry picking bits.

The review will not be influenced by the media frenzy, Boris being an bumhole, even the stories of others and their family loss. It will look at what happened and compare that to the laws. If laws have been broken, clear evidence will be provided. If that happens the calls for Boris to go will be hard to resist.

you obviously didnt view the picture .the rule is quite clear 2metres in distance apart !!

[tuffers#1]

Boris is not going anywhere. He and the people in government have taken the piss out of us all. Some of us saw through it long ago and some of you are just waking up to it. Like spike and hotdog said above, they know its going to be stitch up cos he's relaxed, laughing and couldn't give two flying fucks about it.

I do feel for you all and how you’ve been played and mugged off.

THORBIN THE CORBYNITE !

[Dunners]

Here's the thing. As bad as this is, I'm not sure it'll be the killer blow that Johnson's enemies think it will. Which is in itself quite telling.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Here's the thing. As bad as this is, I'm not sure it'll be the killer blow that Johnson's enemies think it will. Which is in itself quite telling.

This will have no impact on his supporter base whatsoever.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Anyone on here from Hutton Hall near Brentwood? if so, ever see this Olivia sort?

https://brentwood.moderngov.co.uk/mgUse ... px?UID=211

[greyhound]

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/no-10-officia ... 23680.html

FFS it beggars belief a f...... disgrace.
I will never vote again.nothing but a bunch of ?????

[Rich Tea Wellin]

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/no-10-officia ... 23680.html

FFS it beggars belief a f...... disgrace.
I will never vote again.nothing but a bunch of ?????

Just vote better