Why Labour lost Hartlepool

[The Mindsweep]

This sums it up. Old bloke blames his parents and grandparents for voting Labour, now is grown-up and works things out for himself.

Blames Labour for poor facilities at hospital, no police cells and no police. It's obvious he believes that the local MP is solely responsible for everything.

[Sid Bishop]

Labour lost at Hartlepool because the Conservatives got more votes than they did, simple innit !
I hope that Labour keep the nice, anonymous grey man as their leader for a long, long time yet.
I dont want that Andy Burnham made leader, he might well win !

[Admin]

This sums it up. Old bloke blames his parents and grandparents for voting Labour, now is grown-up and works things out for himself.

Blames Labour for poor facilities at hospital, no police cells and no police. It's obvious he believes that the local MP is solely responsible for everything.

Would’ve been nice if the interviewer had pointed out that he’s just voted for the party whose cuts are behind why most of hartlepools local services have gone.

[EastDerehamO]

Interesting take by Professor John Curtice, reckon he’s not far off the mark as usual ………

Polling guru Sir John Curtice has said Labour’s strategy to “say as little as possible” and “not to talk about Brexit” has meant the party are no longer appealing to voters in their traditional heartlands and not just Vote Leave backers.

Professor Curtice said the party’s landslide Hartlepool by-election loss today was partly down to Leave voters preferring the Conservatives to Labour.

But he pointed out the party’s share of the vote was also down nine points, meaning Labour’s core voters are deserting the party as well.

He added: “It’s the party that likes to think of itself as the party of working class voters. Well actually more working class voters, voted Conservative than Labour in 2019. “Labour either have to work out a strategy for reclaiming the working class despite Brexit, or does it have to accept that actually these days the Labour party is the party of young people, of university graduates, of social liberals, the kind of people who live in London where Labour is probably going to do well. And that’s a big existential question facing the Labour party.”

[jamespevans]

Labour lost at Hartlepool because the Conservatives got more votes than they did, simple innit !
I hope that Labour keep the nice, anonymous grey man as their leader for a long, long time yet.
I dont want that Andy Burnham made leader, he might well win !

Long live corruption and ineptitude

[Currywurst and Chips]

This is almost too perfect

Labour lost because the thick white northerners didn't know what they were voting for. Well done on finding two white guys and saying THEY ARE the reason Labour lost. As if they represent Hartlepool

5 years and you still don't get it but please keep it up.

[Dohnut]

This is almost too perfect

Labour lost because the thick white northerners didn't know what they were voting for. Well done on finding two white guys and saying THEY ARE the reason Labour lost. As if they represent Hartlepool

5 years and you still don't get it but please keep it up.

It’s Labour who sadly don’t get it. Times are changing, Labour needs to change with the times. Labour didn’t lose because of these two guys. The majority was much bigger.

[Millennial Snowflake]

His first point is valid though isn't it?

Many working class voters were brought up by their parents and grandparents to vote Labour because they represented the working classes. But people can think for themselves and thinking you own the vote of certain sections of the population comes to cost you dearly, as Labour have found out

[Ornchurch]

His first point is valid though isn't it?

Many working class voters were brought up by their parents and grandparents to vote Labour because they represented the working classes. But people can think for themselves and thinking you own the vote of certain sections of the population comes to cost you dearly, as Labour have found out

How many of the ‘working class’ can look at some of the Labour Party and think that they can understand and represent them?
Some of them are more loaded than the Tory MPs, send their kids to private schools etc.

[BiggsyMalone]

This is almost too perfect

Labour lost because the thick white northerners didn't know what they were voting for. Well done on finding two white guys and saying THEY ARE the reason Labour lost. As if they represent Hartlepool

5 years and you still don't get it but please keep it up.

It’s Labour who sadly don’t get it. Times are changing, Labour needs to change with the times. Labour didn’t lose because of these two guys. The majority was much bigger.

What about the times do they need to get with?

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

But people can think for themselves

These two clowns clearly can’t.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

His first point is valid though isn't it?

Many working class voters were brought up by their parents and grandparents to vote Labour because they represented the working classes. But people can think for themselves and thinking you own the vote of certain sections of the population comes to cost you dearly, as Labour have found out

How many of the ‘working class’ can look at some of the Labour Party and think that they can understand and represent them?
Some of them are more loaded than the Tory MPs, send their kids to private schools etc.

But when you get someone with ‘working class roots’ in there, the likes of Rayner or Abbott, they’re attacked for being thick or having accents or being class traitors or whatever.

[LittleRon]

This is almost too perfect

Labour lost because the thick white northerners didn't know what they were voting for. Well done on finding two white guys and saying THEY ARE the reason Labour lost. As if they represent Hartlepool

5 years and you still don't get it but please keep it up.

What did Labour do 5 years ago that closed Hartlepools Hospitals & Courts ?

[Currywurst and Chips]

[Harlow]

What was Corbyn going to do. Nationalise the railways, spend a shed load of money, raise corporation tax. Tories have done/are doing this so what have labour to offer that is different. Churchill, a tory, our greatest PM, led the nation in a war started by his own party. Johnson, a PM leading the country against a pandemic, not started by his own party but one for which in 11 years they had not prepared for. Had a contingent supply chain been in place for ventilators etc would we have had lock down and deaths. Fortunately the vaccine drive was a success. Taxation was already increasing pre-covid but the Tories are presented as a low tax party. It is a con and the electorate fall for it due to papers like the Sun.

The Tories also come over as standing up for Britain. Like using the Navy in Jersey in a situation that should never have happened in the first place.

My own tory MP, a remainer who agreed to support Brexit. Principles? They are building a new Harlow hospital. It won't be in the town but who cares, it is a good vote catcher. Boris says cycle. The Tory Essex council built a new road through a cycle track with no provision for pedestrians. My local Essex cc councillors comments, cycle more carefully.

I am not a raving leftie, I have both right and left wing view but without an opposition the tories will p--s on most of us. Why did labour lose, the locals had a few promises made, they don't like immigrants, they like us sending in the Navy

[tuffers#1]

What was Corbyn going to do. Nationalise the railways, spend a shed load of money, raise corporation tax. Tories have done/are doing this so what have labour to offer that is different. Churchill, a tory, our greatest PM, led the nation in a war started by his own party. Johnson, a PM leading the country against a pandemic, not started by his own party but one for which in 11 years they had not prepared for. Had a contingent supply chain been in place for ventilators etc would we have had lock down and deaths. Fortunately the vaccine drive was a success. Taxation was already increasing pre-covid but the Tories are presented as a low tax party. It is a con and the electorate fall for it due to papers like the Sun.

The Tories also come over as standing up for Britain. Like using the Navy in Jersey in a situation that should never have happened in the first place.

My own tory MP, a remainer who agreed to support Brexit. Principles? They are building a new Harlow hospital. It won't be in the town but who cares, it is a good vote catcher. Boris says cycle. The Tory Essex council built a new road through a cycle track with no provision for pedestrians. My local Essex cc councillors comments, cycle more carefully.

I am not a raving leftie, I have both right and left wing view but without an opposition the tories will p--s on most of us. Why did labour lose, the locals had a few promises made, they don't like immigrants, they like us sending in the Navy

You know what happened to Churchills goverment after the war .

Heres hoping Boris follows his Hero by leading the blue flag to a crushing defeat
Against a written off Labour Party

[Dohnut]

What was Corbyn going to do. Nationalise the railways, spend a shed load of money, raise corporation tax. Tories have done/are doing this so what have labour to offer that is different. Churchill, a tory, our greatest PM, led the nation in a war started by his own party. Johnson, a PM leading the country against a pandemic, not started by his own party but one for which in 11 years they had not prepared for. Had a contingent supply chain been in place for ventilators etc would we have had lock down and deaths. Fortunately the vaccine drive was a success. Taxation was already increasing pre-covid but the Tories are presented as a low tax party. It is a con and the electorate fall for it due to papers like the Sun.

The Tories also come over as standing up for Britain. Like using the Navy in Jersey in a situation that should never have happened in the first place.

My own tory MP, a remainer who agreed to support Brexit. Principles? They are building a new Harlow hospital. It won't be in the town but who cares, it is a good vote catcher. Boris says cycle. The Tory Essex council built a new road through a cycle track with no provision for pedestrians. My local Essex cc councillors comments, cycle more carefully.

I am not a raving leftie, I have both right and left wing view but without an opposition the tories will p--s on most of us. Why did labour lose, the locals had a few promises made, they don't like immigrants, they like us sending in the Navy

If you are saying our choice is between a rock and a hard place, I agree. The last few years have delivered a number of really poor options to choose between. Trouble is Labour have been better at choosing the biggest idiots. In that, they have done well. Let’s hope Starmer breaks the trend. Politics is at a real low.

[E10EU]

Trouble is Labour have been better at choosing the biggest idiots. In that, they have done well. Let’s hope Starmer breaks the trend. Politics is at a real low.

Well, today Starmer has shown himself up as a front runner in the idiots' stake.
I really would like to know who is advising him and pulling his strings.

[EastDerehamO]

It’s a good debate.

I was brought up a Labour voter and voted that way from my first eligible election in 1983 onwards, but stopped in 2010 and haven’t (yet) returned. Over a period of some years they took traditional voters for granted and got out of touch with many, me included, and it’s cost them as is especially noticeable in some traditional northern heartlands.

I voted Conservative for the first time ever in 2019, specifically to get Brexit over the line. Far too many Labour MPs did all they could to subvert the democracy of the referendum, and I take a dim view of that for above all I’m a democrat, so there is still a level of mistrust from me. Some MPs got it, Caroline Flint one who springs to mind, yet she too paid the price from the voters who had been lost over a dissatisfaction with both Brexit and Corbyn’s leadership.

I would vote Labour again but not at the moment. Too much politicking, too much banging on about subjects which most ordinary people don’t rate as a priority, too many seem in a bubble and unconnected with traditional voters. They probably need more of the likes of Andy Burnham and Angela Raynor to reconnect, especially in their traditional areas of support.

[Clive Evans]

Most not very well educated people ( quite a proportion ) don't see any difference between the Parties, saying they are all in it for themselves. But they see the Labour Party as being the Party that wants to bring Johnny Foreigner here in large quantities. The EU was a source of this misconception and the fact that most anti-Brexiteers were Labour supporters add grist to their mill

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Totally. Anyone who parrots the ‘They’re all as bad as each other’ line has fallen for a deliberate ploy to discredit all politicians and therefore all Governments (thus helping those calling for less Government intervention and more private enterprise).

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Totally. Anyone who parrots the ‘They’re all as bad as each other’ line has fallen for a deliberate ploy to discredit all politicians and therefore all Governments (thus helping those calling for less Government intervention and more private enterprise).

Same with those who can flip flop between parties. You’ve been suckered if you think a few tweaks to some policies changes anything.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

We want working class MPs, sure, but not that working class.

[BiggsyMalone]

It’s a good debate.

I was brought up a Labour voter and voted that way from my first eligible election in 1983 onwards, but stopped in 2010 and haven’t (yet) returned. Over a period of some years they took traditional voters for granted and got out of touch with many, me included, and it’s cost them as is especially noticeable in some traditional northern heartlands.

I voted Conservative for the first time ever in 2019, specifically to get Brexit over the line. Far too many Labour MPs did all they could to subvert the democracy of the referendum, and I take a dim view of that for above all I’m a democrat, so there is still a level of mistrust from me. Some MPs got it, Caroline Flint one who springs to mind, yet she too paid the price from the voters who had been lost over a dissatisfaction with both Brexit and Corbyn’s leadership.

I would vote Labour again but not at the moment. Too much politicking, too much banging on about subjects which most ordinary people don’t rate as a priority, too many seem in a bubble and unconnected with traditional voters. They probably need more of the likes of Andy Burnham and Angela Raynor to reconnect, especially in their traditional areas of support.

I suppose you were ok with the Tories and the other weird brexit shaggers ‘subverting democracy’ to win the vote in the first place. You strange man.

[Max B Gold]

It’s a good debate.

I was brought up a Labour voter and voted that way from my first eligible election in 1983 onwards, but stopped in 2010 and haven’t (yet) returned. Over a period of some years they took traditional voters for granted and got out of touch with many, me included, and it’s cost them as is especially noticeable in some traditional northern heartlands.

I voted Conservative for the first time ever in 2019, specifically to get Brexit over the line. Far too many Labour MPs did all they could to subvert the democracy of the referendum, and I take a dim view of that for above all I’m a democrat, so there is still a level of mistrust from me. Some MPs got it, Caroline Flint one who springs to mind, yet she too paid the price from the voters who had been lost over a dissatisfaction with both Brexit and Corbyn’s leadership.

I would vote Labour again but not at the moment. Too much politicking, too much banging on about subjects which most ordinary people don’t rate as a priority, too many seem in a bubble and unconnected with traditional voters. They probably need more of the likes of Andy Burnham and Angela Raynor to reconnect, especially in their traditional areas of support.

What do you mean when you say you are a "democrat"?

If they need more like Rayner and Burnham you are asking them to be a bit more socialist. So why vote Tory?