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[Ronnie Hotdogs]

The players will know, of course.

When the highlights are up, watch both goals back and just focus on Ling and his movement in both.

[gshaw]

Don't know what happened to Ling after his first season with is where came in and steadied the defence after JE moved Caprice on. Seemed to lose form & confidence in the promotion season, which resulted in Turley coming in halfway through and nailing that spot with his extra physicality and pace.

With Marsh coming in last season as a CM but ending up taking the RB slot Ling must know there's pressure on his place. Thomas could be this season's version but it doesn't seem to be spurring Ling onto better performances, tactics perhaps not helping him either.

In both of those goals as others noted rather than closing the ball he tucks into a no man's land where he's not preventing the cross nor marking anyone in the box, it's very strange to watch. The nearest midfield player is too far away to stop the cross then as long as delivery is half decent it ends with a goal.

[Beradogs]

Someone touched on this before. Is he being told to do it by the coaches. Perhaps someone else is supposed to cover the cross. It happens every week. He ends up in the middle of nowhere just kind of standing there. The first goal is horrible though because if he isn’t supposed to go and cut the cross out his first instinct has to be to go back to the near post and make sure he is in front of any onrushing players. The fact there player was ahead of him to tap it in (or ling tapped in) is unforgivable.

[Fisch]

I've watched Ling and Thomas play (via stream of course) at RB, both played a long way in from the touch-line. Opposing left winger types have enjoyed huge space and time in which to set up attacks to get goals against us.
I've watched Ogie and Brophy play at LB, both played as wide as they needed to - mostly right out there on the touch line.

This has nothing to do with how good or bad these players are, the team are setting up to play like this. I have no idea why, I'm just a fan. I hope RE etc can make it work. In the meantime, they are destroying the confidence of everyone on our right side.

[Dohnut]

“No mans land Ling” is a Great description. Personally I didn’t think he was that good When he replaced Caprice. It was more that with so many not rating Caprice some saw it a relief to get a change, any change. Personally Ling was nowhere as good as Caprice, who was lambasted for not getting back quick enough. Ironic. Ling don’t get anywhere Quick enough.

I don’t know if Ling is good or bad. He just doesn’t get involved. He is certainly avoided by other players, The Jobi moment a case in point yesterday. But is so obvious. We always look to build from the left. Brophy is always involved, Ling just plods around. And look at our goal celebrations, Ling looks like a spare part, even when he scored.

There is something wrong going on. Ling admitting he spoke to dad regarding Fletcher isn’t going to help.

What I would love to see is Ling getting stuck in, getting involved, having a go. If he makes mistakes so be it, who don’t in L2. But sometimes I just want to say, for goodness sake get stuck in. There may be a decent player in there somewhere. We do get the odd very rare glimpse of that.

Which is why I prefer Juddy. Class he ain’t, hothead he is, but a tryer he most certainly is.

[Beradogs]

Correct dohnut. Lings touch is actually half decent. Passing is ok. His positional sense is woeful. As Milano said, if that is coming from Ross then someone needs to tell him it ain’t working.

[Sid Bishop]

“No mans land Ling” is a Great description. Personally I didn’t think he was that good When he replaced Caprice. It was more that with so many not rating Caprice some saw it a relief to get a change, any change. Personally Ling was nowhere as good as Caprice, who was lambasted for not getting back quick enough. Ironic. Ling don’t get anywhere Quick enough.

I don’t know if Ling is good or bad. He just doesn’t get involved. He is certainly avoided by other players, The Jobi moment a case in point yesterday. But is so obvious. We always look to build from the left. Brophy is always involved, Ling just plods around. And look at our goal celebrations, Ling looks like a spare part, even when he scored.

There is something wrong going on. Ling admitting he spoke to dad regarding Fletcher isn’t going to help.

What I would love to see is Ling getting stuck in, getting involved, having a go. If he makes mistakes so be it, who don’t in L2. But sometimes I just want to say, for goodness sake get stuck in. There may be a decent player in there somewhere. We do get the odd very rare glimpse of that.

Which is why I prefer Juddy. Class he ain’t, hothead he is, but a tryer he most certainly is.

Agree ''Which is why I prefer Juddy. Class he ain’t, hothead he is, but a tryer he most certainly is''
With Judd, well does not seem like it is going to happen though does it, something not right about the way he has just slipped off the radar this season ?

[Beradogs]

Saying that. As I said above. The first goal is truly horrible. For a left back not to try and cut the cross out (Perhaps an instruction from Ross then fine) but also not to be in front of players coming in to score is unacceptable on a Sunday morning. Ling is a pro.

[Sid Bishop]

Saying that. As I said above. The first goal is truly horrible. For a left back not to try and cut the cross out (Perhaps an instruction from Boss then fine) but also not to be in front of players coming in to score is unacceptable on a Sunday morning. Ling is a pro.

Think you made a ''Typo'' there e.g ''For a left back not to try and cut the cross out '' The cross you speak of came from their left winger and Ling is the right back, not left back !
Anyway, for their first goal, quite unbelievable the amount of time and space given to their left winger with no attempt to mark the guy at all, very poor defensive play from the Os. Second goal also little to no marking up, the defense for both goals was in a complete and utter mess, especially on our right hand side

[redintheface]

Wasn’t Danny Senda brought in with a specific mandate to tighten things up defensively?

[BiggsyMalone]

Nigel says he reads all the public comments - I assume that includes this board

Ling - an England C international that Lofc paid money for - no one can be as poor as nearly all the posts have stated- if they can achieve England's C status - we are only one level above that

I have to assume that Ling is currently not playing to his true ability

I don't now why

Buying him was a foolish thing to do irrespective of his ability or potential - I said it at the time as a post on here.

Ling senior and others made it very clear Ling senior was not being part of the management on that transfer. - but was only a technicality or an academic statement of fact to massage any thought of conflict of interest - not the focus of the real issue looming - it has made a simple player weekly selection more complex for all- and caused fans to be resentful and that resent is not fair to the ling the player or even even the father.

Then it was emphatically stated that they do not talk about football in their house ( but they did on fletcher in Lings senior own admission).

However, it has and will create an enormous amount of actual or perceived unfairness to both son and father and fuel the negativity to both - he could be the best right back in the country but still because of lings senior behaviour( QA / fletcher / boss promotion as three examples) as us the fans see it ( or most of us have )-

it would be the best for all to find the player another club quickly

It would also relieve Ling senior from the critics

Ling has always played like this. This isn’t him playing under his ability. Funny you say Ling wasn’t part of him coming to the club when he openly admitted talking to him about the move when he was still at Dagenham

[Sid Bishop]

Wasn’t Danny Senda brought in with a specific mandate to tighten things up defensively?

If so, wonder if Danny Senda has any sway as to who are the best players to play in the various defensive positions, starting with the right back position ?

[Tent Keague]

Don't know what happened to Ling after his first season with is where came in and steadied the defence after JE moved Caprice on.

Ling is a good player in a 442. In a defensive role. As you say he steadied the defence and we were champions.

What happened was that JE saw we were conceding far too many goals moved Caprice on (who is a good player in an attacking full back role, ironically one we now need) and picked Ling to play in a defensive 4 that did nothing other than defend. It's quite simple.

Slade done it with Omozusi, Baudry, Clarke and Cuthbert. You 4 are my back 4 and you do nothing other than defend. A simple clear message.

What we've got, and not just with Ling Jnr, is a lot of players that can play in 'multiple' roles. It's causing confusion and pretty much a case of square pegs and round holes.

Widdowson as a centre back. No.
Brophy as a full back. No.
Dayton as a central midfielder. No.
JMD as a winger. No.
Wilkinson as a wide right. No.
Angol on the left. No.
Sotiriou out wide. No.
Ling as an attacking full back. No.

All good players but need to play in their correct position.

[BiggsyMalone]

Don't know what happened to Ling after his first season with is where came in and steadied the defence after JE moved Caprice on.

Ling is a good player in a 442. In a defensive role. As you say he steadied the defence and we were champions.

What happened was that JE saw we were conceding far too many goals moved Caprice on (who is a good player in an attacking full back role, ironically one we now need) and picked Ling to play in a defensive 4 that did nothing other than defend. It's quite simple.

Slade done it with Omozusi, Baudry, Clarke and Cuthbert. You 4 are my back 4 and you do nothing other than defend. A simple clear message.

What we've got, and not just with Ling Jnr, is a lot of players that can play in 'multiple' roles. It's causing confusion and pretty much a case of square pegs and round holes.

Widdowson as a centre back. No.
Brophy as a full back. No.
Dayton as a central midfielder. No.
JMD as a winger. No.
Wilkinson as a wide right. No.
Angol on the left. No.
Sotiriou out wide. No.
Ling as an attacking full back. No.

All good players but need to play in their correct position.

No he isn’t.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Don't know what happened to Ling after his first season with is where came in and steadied the defence after JE moved Caprice on.

Ling is a good player in a 442. In a defensive role. As you say he steadied the defence and we were champions.

What happened was that JE saw we were conceding far too many goals moved Caprice on (who is a good player in an attacking full back role, ironically one we now need) and picked Ling to play in a defensive 4 that did nothing other than defend. It's quite simple.

Slade done it with Omozusi, Baudry, Clarke and Cuthbert. You 4 are my back 4 and you do nothing other than defend. A simple clear message.

What we've got, and not just with Ling Jnr, is a lot of players that can play in 'multiple' roles. It's causing confusion and pretty much a case of square pegs and round holes.

Widdowson as a centre back. No.
Brophy as a full back. No.
Dayton as a central midfielder. No.
JMD as a winger. No.
Wilkinson as a wide right. No.
Angol on the left. No.
Sotiriou out wide. No.
Ling as an attacking full back. No.

All good players but need to play in their correct position.

No he isn’t.

This.

He’s not being asked to get on. If he could just do the defensive stuff, I’d be more than happy with that.

He’s playing at a level beyond his ability, that’s all there is to it.

[moonwalk19]

There is a point to mentioning Ling because opposing managers have sussed him out many times now as a weak link. The same as Brophy playing as a wing back. We could become very predictable in our style of play.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Why would we pay money

Exactly.

[Dohnut]

Why would we pay money for a English C international and then not get the most from him

I reckon to get a cap in English C is a real achievement because I believe there are many players in the semi pro game that are actually more technical than lower league players and only play it part time because they have a traditional employment career too that they want to keep

The guy they got rid off to accomodate him is playing a division higher and he was from a non league team I think ( Woking ?)

Purches was slagged off here about backing off he ended up playing higher and is a Bournemouth coach to the first team

Going back decades we had Regis who was fantastic - he came from Hayes
We had Devonshire who was fantastic - he same from southhall
There was a great forward are who started at Enfield that went for over 100k and scored for years - furlong
That just three quickly as examples
Then look at all the players Peterborough have got from non league and sold for vast profits
I am sure I remember correctly

Did he win an England C cap or just get called up to trains with the squad?

[George M]

The one thing a full back should do beyond everything else is to stop crosses.Ling doesn’t seem to think that that is important.
He is a good player. By that I mean he can control a ball , he can head a ball , he can kick a ball. But I don’t think he understands instructions or has any understanding of the game. I just don’t think that he is intelligent enough.Like many footballers, I doubt he would have a job if he wasn’t in the game.
Play him as much as you like but that part of his character will never change. He is not good enough for league two.

[Disoriented]

Nigel says he reads all the public comments - I assume that includes this board

Ling - an England C international that Lofc paid money for - no one can be as poor as nearly all the posts have stated- if they can achieve England's C status - we are only one level above that

I have to assume that Ling is currently not playing to his true ability

I don't now why

Buying him was a foolish thing to do irrespective of his ability or potential - I said it at the time as a post on here.

Ling senior and others made it very clear Ling senior was not being part of the management on that transfer. - but was only a technicality or an academic statement of fact to massage any thought of conflict of interest - not the focus of the real issue looming - it has made a simple player weekly selection more complex for all- and caused fans to be resentful and that resent is not fair to the ling the player or even even the father.

Then it was emphatically stated that they do not talk about football in their house ( but they did on fletcher in Lings senior own admission).

However, it has and will create an enormous amount of actual or perceived unfairness to both son and father and fuel the negativity to both - he could be the best right back in the country but still because of lings senior behaviour( QA / fletcher / boss promotion as three examples) as us the fans see it ( or most of us have )-

it would be the best for all to find the player another club quickly

It would also relieve Ling senior from the critics

Ling has always played like this. This isn’t him playing under his ability. Funny you say Ling wasn’t part of him coming to the club when he openly admitted talking to him about the move when he was still at Dagenham

Is the above post actually correct - we paid money for Sam Ling?

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

And we recently tied him up to a new and improved extended contract to protect our investment.

[gshaw]

Nigel says he reads all the public comments - I assume that includes this board

Ling - an England C international that Lofc paid money for - no one can be as poor as nearly all the posts have stated- if they can achieve England's C status - we are only one level above that

I have to assume that Ling is currently not playing to his true ability

I don't now why

Buying him was a foolish thing to do irrespective of his ability or potential - I said it at the time as a post on here.

Ling senior and others made it very clear Ling senior was not being part of the management on that transfer. - but was only a technicality or an academic statement of fact to massage any thought of conflict of interest - not the focus of the real issue looming - it has made a simple player weekly selection more complex for all- and caused fans to be resentful and that resent is not fair to the ling the player or even even the father.

Then it was emphatically stated that they do not talk about football in their house ( but they did on fletcher in Lings senior own admission).

However, it has and will create an enormous amount of actual or perceived unfairness to both son and father and fuel the negativity to both - he could be the best right back in the country but still because of lings senior behaviour( QA / fletcher / boss promotion as three examples) as us the fans see it ( or most of us have )-

it would be the best for all to find the player another club quickly

It would also relieve Ling senior from the critics

Ling has always played like this. This isn’t him playing under his ability. Funny you say Ling wasn’t part of him coming to the club when he openly admitted talking to him about the move when he was still at Dagenham

Is the above post actually correct - we paid money for Sam Ling?

Yup I remember £5k being rumoured at the time as Dagenham were skint and offloading players for peanuts

[Sid Bishop]

The one thing a full back should do beyond everything else is to stop crosses.Ling doesn’t seem to think that that is important.
He is a good player. By that I mean he can control a ball , he can head a ball , he can kick a ball. But I don’t think he understands instructions or has any understanding of the game. I just don’t think that he is intelligent enough.Like many footballers, I doubt he would have a job if he wasn’t in the game.
Play him as much as you like but that part of his character will never change. He is not good enough for league two.

@George
That is basic defensive stuff and we cannot even seem to grasp the basics of defending the goal, especially when we have a right back who gives the winger he is supposed to mark,so much space and time to put crosses into the box thus creating goal scoring chances for his own forward players ( note the first goal we conceded) All this in spite of a coaching bench full of people who have lots of coaching badges between them ! I am sure that when I watched Os play at home to Dagenham in one of the cups a few seasons ago, Sam Ling played quite well for the Daggers in a normal type of fullback role. His game and confidence have really gone backwards since he re-joined Leyton Orient.

[Dohnut]

The one thing a full back should do beyond everything else is to stop crosses.Ling doesn’t seem to think that that is important.
He is a good player. By that I mean he can control a ball , he can head a ball , he can kick a ball. But I don’t think he understands instructions or has any understanding of the game. I just don’t think that he is intelligent enough.Like many footballers, I doubt he would have a job if he wasn’t in the game.
Play him as much as you like but that part of his character will never change. He is not good enough for league two.

@George
That is basic defensive stuff and we cannot even seem to grasp the basics of defending the goal, especially when we have a right back who gives the winger he is supposed to mark,so much space and time to put crosses into the box thus creating goal scoring chances for his own forward players ( note the first goal we conceded) All this in spite of a coaching bench full of people who have lots of coaching badges between them ! I am sure that when I watched Os play at home to Dagenham in one of the cups a few seasons ago, Sam Ling played quite well for the Daggers in a normal type of fullback role. His game and confidence have really gone backwards since he re-joined Leyton Orient.

He plays like someone totally lacking in confidence. I still feel there is a decent player in there somewhere. Every now and then he does something really good. One pass at Salford was genuinely good for example.

But something somewhere ain’t right and he plays like someone who lacks passion for the club. Shame.

There must be people at the club who can Help him. Jobi for example. Why I was surprised that Jobi In one move completely ignored Ling, when in a good position, and chose to do it all himself. Coincidence? Maybe. But Ling looks like a spare part. You know, those games you play as a kid when there’s always someone no much good. Makes up the numbers but gets overlooked by the better players.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

You know, those games you play as a kid when there’s always someone no much good. Makes up the numbers but gets overlooked by the better players.

Does it still hurt?