The Club

[Long slender neck]

Any of the naysayers got the bottle to go on a podcast and argue their point of view?

[OyinbO]

Any of the naysayers got the bottle to go on a podcast and argue their point of view?

Now there's a good idea.

[Smendrick Feaselberg]

Any of the naysayers got the bottle to go on a podcast and argue their point of view?

ComeOnYouOs said a fair while back that he wanted to be on when Danny Macklin was a guest to raise his concerns about how he is doing his job. It's a shame it hasn't happened because that would be a great show with an alternative view given for once.

[Rich Tea Wellin]

I slagged them off on national DAB radio for a few weeks so i have the right to do it on here

[Rich Tea Wellin]

Now im not allowed on anything

[OyinbO]

SAY IT TO THEIR FACE

[Long slender neck]

Probably right, the stooge podders would never allow it

[AckneyAwks]

I remember when George Petchey was manager and in those days you used to write in either congratulating or complaining about things. My complaint was about team selection, style of play and transfers. I was invited by George to come to his office and have a chat, boy was i nervous. I was only young but i remember leaving that meeting being well taught in the managers decisions, a little intimidated and actually agreeing with and learning on the things involved in running a football team.
Actually George Petchey is one of my all time favourite Orient managers and after giving us some fantastic football and just missing out on promotion to the 1st division (Premier now days) i think we went through a phase of some negative football for various reasons.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Any of the naysayers got the bottle to go on a podcast and argue their point of view?

[EH16]

Mostly agree with this. Given the recent history of our own club and the absolute shambles at various other clubs I am broadly content that our club is in the hands of owners who, as far as I can tell, genuinely care about the club and what it means to people. Of course, there will be differences of opinion but, at least, we all want the same thing - for Orient to be as succesful as they can be.

I do think, also, that some people just cant see how money has radically altered football over the last 20 years or so and don't, therefore, have realistic expectations. Without different owners and a massive injection of funding I see no prospect of Orient being able to compete long term even at Championship level. This is NOTHING to do with a LACK OF AMBITION. It's cold hard economics.

What have our owners got to do with us fans criticising players when they play badly?

They're two entirely unrelated matters. Stop being so dense.

The point was the over the top criticism of players, owners, DOF, etc. Of course, that's related.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

No it's not. The owners aren't getting criticised.

Certain players and certain management/coaching staff are.

People are conflating two separate matters.

[EH16]

Lots of stuff here defending the owners. Great. I don't think they've come in for any serious flak at any point since they arrived, and why would they?

But some of the stuff here makes me feel very sad - I know the Beelzebub era was traumatic, but has it really crushed so many of our aspirations that being mid-table in the bottom division now satisfies us? Go back 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 years and the fans of that time would have thought it was a really poor show (yes, they did back in 2000 when it actually happened).

Yes, I know context is important - we nearly lost the club, our first trophy winning manager in 49 years promptly carked it - but it feels like everything that JE brought to the club is slowly being lost by the inadequacy of our response to replacing him. And you'll have to forgive me for feeling incredibly frustrated by that, as we keep fumbling opportunities for progression.

I don't think this is a negative outlook. Au contraire, innit.

It's not the past ownership that's 'crushed' aspiration. It's the seismic change in football finances that's make the more realisitc among us grasp how difficult progression beyond League 1 now is. As I said that's not 'aspirations being crushed' it's a recognition of economic reality.

[EH16]

No it's not. The owners aren't getting criticised.

Certain players and certain management/coaching staff are.

People are conflating two separate matters.

Nope.

[OyinbO]

Lots of stuff here defending the owners. Great. I don't think they've come in for any serious flak at any point since they arrived, and why would they?

But some of the stuff here makes me feel very sad - I know the Beelzebub era was traumatic, but has it really crushed so many of our aspirations that being mid-table in the bottom division now satisfies us? Go back 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 years and the fans of that time would have thought it was a really poor show (yes, they did back in 2000 when it actually happened).

Yes, I know context is important - we nearly lost the club, our first trophy winning manager in 49 years promptly carked it - but it feels like everything that JE brought to the club is slowly being lost by the inadequacy of our response to replacing him. And you'll have to forgive me for feeling incredibly frustrated by that, as we keep fumbling opportunities for progression.

I don't think this is a negative outlook. Au contraire, innit.

It's not the past ownership that's 'crushed' aspiration. It's the seismic change in football finances that's make the more realisitc among us grasp how difficult progression beyond League 1 now is. As I said that's not 'aspirations being crushed' it's a recognition of economic reality.

Let's try and progress out of League 2 first. That's a recognition of footballing reality - and an entirely reasonable aspiration, seismic change or no.

[BiggsyMalone]

Lots of stuff here defending the owners. Great. I don't think they've come in for any serious flak at any point since they arrived, and why would they?

But some of the stuff here makes me feel very sad - I know the Beelzebub era was traumatic, but has it really crushed so many of our aspirations that being mid-table in the bottom division now satisfies us? Go back 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 years and the fans of that time would have thought it was a really poor show (yes, they did back in 2000 when it actually happened).

Yes, I know context is important - we nearly lost the club, our first trophy winning manager in 49 years promptly carked it - but it feels like everything that JE brought to the club is slowly being lost by the inadequacy of our response to replacing him. And you'll have to forgive me for feeling incredibly frustrated by that, as we keep fumbling opportunities for progression.

I don't think this is a negative outlook. Au contraire, innit.

Fair points. From my point of view the issues are more the lack of constructive criticism from certain boarders with them lashing out because they hold grudges against certain players/staff. They also are intent on microanalysing everything with the objective of placing blame. For example, on Saturday someone posted that we'd lose because Ling is starting. How is that in any way constructive? Or when someone said Ling was 100% to blame for Happe's own goal, which was just an insanely bizarre comment that did nothing but highlight that person's bias. Others just take any opportunity to have digs, which again are not constructive at all.

This obviously doesn't apply to all boarders (some of whom are very good at constructive criticism), but the above seem to be the loudest and most persistent.

You’re confusing grudges with thinking a player is terrible and shouldn’t be anywhere near the squad

[gshaw]

Some people have short memories, without the current owners who funded the promotion from the National League we would probably still be there.

Some have short memories if they don't remember what absolute joyless crap NL was. Club can never let itself slip back to that poo poo ever again.

Not demanding immediate promotion to L1, that can build with gradual progression but being anywhere near a relegation battle is unacceptable and should that happen this season then the club and the playing side management will be rightly questioned.

Don't think anyone would disagree with how well it's being ran off the pitch, the streaming side of things particularly is really visionary stuff for a club at this level. Danny Macklin and his team deserve massive kudos for that.

Happy clappies / optimists do get on my nerves as no-one will be surprised to hear. Being a cheerleader blind to any form of deficiencies just isn't realistic. When the club does well give them praise, when they do poorly be it on pitch or otherwise then they should be willing and able to accept criticism in order to improve.

To be fair to T&T they say as much regularly at Q&A sessions and welcome feedback, which is a sensible, pragmatic way to approach things and why they've been able to bring stability and overall success thus far.

[Walthamsto]

When away fans sing, “Your support is f*cking sh*t”, they are right for far too many of our “fans”.

[Ralphs Coate]

Whinging Pommies,It is in the DNA so you will always have lots of moaning no matter what is happening to,with and at the club.
Q.How do you know when a British Airways plane has landed at Brisbane Airport. A. You can still hear the Whining half an hour after the engines have been turned off.

[Smendrick Feaselberg]

Lots of stuff here defending the owners. Great. I don't think they've come in for any serious flak at any point since they arrived, and why would they?

But some of the stuff here makes me feel very sad - I know the Beelzebub era was traumatic, but has it really crushed so many of our aspirations that being mid-table in the bottom division now satisfies us? Go back 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 years and the fans of that time would have thought it was a really poor show (yes, they did back in 2000 when it actually happened).

Yes, I know context is important - we nearly lost the club, our first trophy winning manager in 49 years promptly carked it - but it feels like everything that JE brought to the club is slowly being lost by the inadequacy of our response to replacing him. And you'll have to forgive me for feeling incredibly frustrated by that, as we keep fumbling opportunities for progression.

I don't think this is a negative outlook. Au contraire, innit.

Fair points. From my point of view the issues are more the lack of constructive criticism from certain boarders with them lashing out because they hold grudges against certain players/staff. They also are intent on microanalysing everything with the objective of placing blame. For example, on Saturday someone posted that we'd lose because Ling is starting. How is that in any way constructive? Or when someone said Ling was 100% to blame for Happe's own goal, which was just an insanely bizarre comment that did nothing but highlight that person's bias. Others just take any opportunity to have digs, which again are not constructive at all.

This obviously doesn't apply to all boarders (some of whom are very good at constructive criticism), but the above seem to be the loudest and most persistent.

You’re confusing grudges with thinking a player is terrible and shouldn’t be anywhere near the squad

No, I'm not confusing grudges with that. There are both those that think a player is terrible and shouldn't be in the side but who can at least bring some balance at the appropriate times and those who hold grudges against certain players and staff and won't budge from that.