Is R oss the 'Front man?

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Re: Is R oss the 'Front man?

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ComeOnYouOs wrote: Fri Aug 28, 2020 9:58 am Is Ling the team manager? Does the DOF really pick the team, or at least have massive influence on who is picked.
Does Ling decide the formation, & tactics?
I think Ling has far greater shall we say influence, that IMO, he should as Director of Football.
I read/heard, he goes in the dressing room during and before games, and at half time, sometimes, which again IMO isnt correct.
Be interested in other peoples views on this
Is he emu to Ling’s Rod Hull?
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Re: Is R oss the 'Front man?

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ComeOnYouOs wrote: Fri Aug 28, 2020 9:58 am Is Ling the team manager? Does the DOF really pick the team, or at least have massive influence on who is picked.
Does Ling decide the formation, & tactics?
I think Ling has far greater shall we say influence, that IMO, he should as Director of Football.
I read/heard, he goes in the dressing room during and before games, and at half time, sometimes, which again IMO isnt correct.
Be interested in other peoples views on this
Indeed, without doubt, in my view.
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Re: Is R oss the 'Front man?

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Sid Bishop wrote: Fri Aug 28, 2020 2:49 pm
Prestige Worldwide wrote: Fri Aug 28, 2020 2:43 pm Probably because he may never get such an opportunity ever again.
Or perhaps the worry that if he turned the job down, then next time a new manager came in, then he might be able to bring in his choice of number two ?
Professional Football is a stressful form of employment.
Some good posts on this thread.

Personally I do believe that part of our problem has steamed from the fact that Ling has decided that the coaching set up stays in place and only the head coach departs. The theory is fine however, in football you want your own people around you, people you know and trust and also respect. Due to our setup I think a lot of good managers will swerve us as if you are going to be judged then you would surely want to be judged on your own merits and not a cobbled together backroom team you’ve had zero input into.
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Re: Is R oss the 'Front man?

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Thor wrote: Sat Aug 29, 2020 7:17 am
Sid Bishop wrote: Fri Aug 28, 2020 2:49 pm
Prestige Worldwide wrote: Fri Aug 28, 2020 2:43 pm Probably because he may never get such an opportunity ever again.
Or perhaps the worry that if he turned the job down, then next time a new manager came in, then he might be able to bring in his choice of number two ?
Professional Football is a stressful form of employment.
Some good posts on this thread.

Personally I do believe that part of our problem has steamed from the fact that Ling has decided that the coaching set up stays in place and only the head coach departs. The theory is fine however, in football you want your own people around you, people you know and trust and also respect. Due to our setup I think a lot of good managers will swerve us as if you are going to be judged then you would surely want to be judged on your own merits and not a cobbled together backroom team you’ve had zero input into.
Yes I tend to agree with what your thoughts on this matter.
Justin accepted this format but many good managers might accept keeping on some of the backroom staff but would want to bring in some of their own people, including of course their own choice as number two. Uncertain times ( due to the virus ) for the next couple of seasons and many FL clubs may go out of business, so I expect there will many changes in many ways at Leyton Orient within the next few years. I think that Kent Teague comes across as the type of character who will be looking for improvements in the level of performances achieved on the pitch.
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Re: Is R oss the 'Front man?

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Thor wrote: Sat Aug 29, 2020 7:17 am
Sid Bishop wrote: Fri Aug 28, 2020 2:49 pm
Prestige Worldwide wrote: Fri Aug 28, 2020 2:43 pm Probably because he may never get such an opportunity ever again.
Or perhaps the worry that if he turned the job down, then next time a new manager came in, then he might be able to bring in his choice of number two ?
Professional Football is a stressful form of employment.
Some good posts on this thread.

Personally I do believe that part of our problem has steamed from the fact that Ling has decided that the coaching set up stays in place and only the head coach departs. The theory is fine however, in football you want your own people around you, people you know and trust and also respect. Due to our setup I think a lot of good managers will swerve us as if you are going to be judged then you would surely want to be judged on your own merits and not a cobbled together backroom team you’ve had zero input into.
This system of setting up your own coaching set-up and trying to promote from within the club is something that was more common in years gone by. Liverpool were very successful and i think West Ham was another club that had similar ideas. When it works it creates a certain style of play that the club installs and uses throughout from the youth development right through to the first team. To develope a club which is known throughout the country for having it's own football identity can give everyone a great sense of pride and achievement.
The main question is, do we have the director of football in place to lead this project and are the current coaches of sufficent abilities and skills to carry it out?
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Re: Is R oss the 'Front man?

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Looking at how the squad has been pulled together, the lack of tactics, the lack of understanding, the reliance on ageing players to be available and the recruitment (6 strikers for one position, etc..) I would say that it is a combination of both the DoF and the coaches having no real idea , what they want, need, or can actually get. Last week Boss wanted a centre back in no uncertain terms, this week we've got our left back there for a trial period.

For all the positives that have been spoken about consistent squad, unchanged, no need for recruitment,etc.. it just means that next summer, currently we've got about 20 players falling out of contract.

Wouldn't it have been prudent to arrange it so that you'd have roughly half the contracts expiring each season?
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Re: Is R oss the 'Front man?

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Tent Keague wrote: Sat Aug 29, 2020 8:57 am Looking at how the squad has been pulled together, the lack of tactics, the lack of understanding, the reliance on ageing players to be available and the recruitment (6 strikers for one position, etc..) I would say that it is a combination of both the DoF and the coaches having no real idea , what they want, need, or can actually get. Last week Boss wanted a centre back in no uncertain terms, this week we've got our left back there for a trial period.

For all the positives that have been spoken about consistent squad, unchanged, no need for recruitment,etc.. it just means that next summer, currently we've got about 20 players falling out of contract.

Wouldn't it have been prudent to arrange it so that you'd have roughly half the contracts expiring each season?
The contract extensions offered to some players were a mistake and like you say the signing of the wrong type of players for the forward positions is now causing problems. This season because of the problems facing everyone nationwide and the mistakes made in contracts and transfers last year we will probably rely on loanees to see us through. My confidence in the signing of new players is not too great and there is definetly a issue there.
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