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ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 10:43 pm it's time the owners told us fans, who was really responsible for bringing in the crap players in January.
No bullshit, the truth.

We know it was Ling who brought Coleman here because he said in his interview, just before Jackett was sacked.
He said he had been following Coleman for two years, and finally was able to get him.

That was way before Jacket came here, so it was definitely Ling.
We need to know about the rest, because the whole episode was a disaster.

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 10:43 pm it's time the owners told us fans, who was really responsible for bringing in the crap players in January.
No bullshit, the truth.

We know it was Ling who brought Coleman here because he said in his interview, just before Jackett was sacked.
He said he had been following Coleman for two years, and finally was able to get him.

That was way before Jacket came here, so it was definitely Ling.
We need to know about the rest, because the whole episode was a disaster.

Jman wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 10:49 pm But how do you know Jackett didn’t rubber stamp the Coleman signing? I can’t imagine if Jackett had insisted we didn’t sign the kid, we still would have ploughed ahead

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 10:43 pm it's time the owners told us fans, who was really responsible for bringing in the crap players in January.
No bullshit, the truth.

We know it was Ling who brought Coleman here because he said in his interview, just before Jackett was sacked.
He said he had been following Coleman for two years, and finally was able to get him.

That was way before Jacket came here, so it was definitely Ling.
We need to know about the rest, because the whole episode was a disaster.

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 10:43 pm it's time the owners told us fans, who was really responsible for bringing in the crap players in January.
No bullshit, the truth.

We know it was Ling who brought Coleman here because he said in his interview, just before Jackett was sacked.
He said he had been following Coleman for two years, and finally was able to get him.

That was way before Jacket came here, so it was definitely Ling.
We need to know about the rest, because the whole episode was a disaster.

Stan1972 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 11:17 pm Let’s just hope a condition in Richie Wellen’s contract stated, he has full control of transfers of who comes in/out.
He will have a mass clear out, half this squad will go.
Hopefully he will start with showing the current transfer committee the door!

Stan1972 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 11:17 pm Let’s just hope a condition in Richie Wellen’s contract stated, he has full control of transfers of who comes in/out.
He will have a mass clear out, half this squad will go.
Hopefully he will start with showing the current transfer committee the door!

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 1:52 am

Stan1972 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 11:17 pm Let’s just hope a condition in Richie Wellen’s contract stated, he has full control of transfers of who comes in/out.
He will have a mass clear out, half this squad will go.
Hopefully he will start with showing the current transfer committee the door!

If the transfer committee still insists on being involved with player recruitment next season after our poor January business then we deserve another season of failure

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 11:22 pm

Stan1972 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 11:17 pm Let’s just hope a condition in Richie Wellen’s contract stated, he has full control of transfers of who comes in/out.
He will have a mass clear out, half this squad will go.
Hopefully he will start with showing the current transfer committee the door!

Unless he has a A TOP 2 BUDGET ,
He wont succeed .

Frogger wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 11:11 pm Why did Ling wait 2 years to bring Coleman in? What did Ling see for 2 years that no one else could?

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 11:19 pm

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 10:43 pm it's time the owners told us fans, who was really responsible for bringing in the crap players in January.
No bullshit, the truth.

We know it was Ling who brought Coleman here because he said in his interview, just before Jackett was sacked.
He said he had been following Coleman for two years, and finally was able to get him.

That was way before Jacket came here, so it was definitely Ling.
We need to know about the rest, because the whole episode was a disaster.

Again falling into the TRAP !
Top 8 budget is doomed to FAILURE ,
A TOP 2 BUDGET guarentees SUCCESS !

gshaw wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 10:47 pm That post on the other board showed the initial targets for midfield but the club (DoF) failed to recruit any of them and we ended up with one from Ling's original spreadsheet, which many hoped had been shredded after the appointment of KJ.

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 7:50 am

gshaw wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 10:47 pm That post on the other board showed the initial targets for midfield but the club (DoF) failed to recruit any of them and we ended up with one from Ling's original spreadsheet, which many hoped had been shredded after the appointment of KJ.

Considering how much money we wasted during January we would have been better off actually signing at least two of Kenny's first choices . Instead the club went for quantity over quality .

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 7:42 am We will go round in circles with this. The club, just before sacking KJ, rallied around to basically put out the message that ‘the manager decides what players come in’ so KJ is squarely to blame, right?

Well, apart from the fact that we know that Coleman was on Lings radar when KJ was at Portsmouth, the alleged list of signings on the other board tbat KJ wanted and we failed to sign, and the fact that, in a bizarre move, as soon as the Jan signings were put in the team, the manager, who allegedly picked them, moaned constantly about how they didn’t have enough experience for league two.

So something doesn’t add up.

I think what’s pretty clear is that either the process is so convoluted that the owners, Ling, nor the manager actually knows who was responsible, or that the wording on how they work has been manipulated to suit Ling (and to a degree, the owners, when they fail).

Saying that, after hearing bits about Kenny, he doesn’t exactly sound like he was of sound judgement in his time here, and either he did have a level of say (even if that was, take this player or nothing), or he didn’t have the bollocks to stand up for himself and the team and say no to the sh*t he was given.

Regardless, what matters is we don’t continue to make the same mistakes. The new ceo, with fresh eyes, should be all over this already. Refine the process, what went wrong, who does Richie want to work going forward, etc… my only issue is that Nigel and Martin have been so insistent on the success of the process, I think they are a bit blinded by it. Challenge culture and all that, Nigel, let’s start putting that into practice and let’s really challenge what we know and what we think we know so Richie gets the best chance of success.

Gary the Plumber wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 9:14 am

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 7:42 am We will go round in circles with this. The club, just before sacking KJ, rallied around to basically put out the message that ‘the manager decides what players come in’ so KJ is squarely to blame, right?

Well, apart from the fact that we know that Coleman was on Lings radar when KJ was at Portsmouth, the alleged list of signings on the other board tbat KJ wanted and we failed to sign, and the fact that, in a bizarre move, as soon as the Jan signings were put in the team, the manager, who allegedly picked them, moaned constantly about how they didn’t have enough experience for league two.

So something doesn’t add up.

I think what’s pretty clear is that either the process is so convoluted that the owners, Ling, nor the manager actually knows who was responsible, or that the wording on how they work has been manipulated to suit Ling (and to a degree, the owners, when they fail).

Saying that, after hearing bits about Kenny, he doesn’t exactly sound like he was of sound judgement in his time here, and either he did have a level of say (even if that was, take this player or nothing), or he didn’t have the bollocks to stand up for himself and the team and say no to the sh*t he was given.

Regardless, what matters is we don’t continue to make the same mistakes. The new ceo, with fresh eyes, should be all over this already. Refine the process, what went wrong, who does Richie want to work going forward, etc… my only issue is that Nigel and Martin have been so insistent on the success of the process, I think they are a bit blinded by it. Challenge culture and all that, Nigel, let’s start putting that into practice and let’s really challenge what we know and what we think we know so Richie gets the best chance of success.

Yep, all of this.

The fact Wellens has come in as Head Coach rather than Manager, as KJ was, kind of worries me that he won't be given full control and it'll still be The Committee ie Ling making calls on what players we bring in.