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Posted: **Tue Mar 15, 2022 12:37 pm**

I've always kept an eye out for Everton's results as I've a few mates who support the Toffees and I've always wanted them to do well. That changed when they appointed Lampard. I can't stand the bloke. He's already seeking to distance himself from responsibility for their results. I think they're going down. Hopefully they'll take Lampards managerial career with them.

Posted: **Tue Mar 15, 2022 1:40 pm**

He has been lucky to get all these jobs. Massively overspent on loan fees & transfers at Derby. Chelski even dumped him

Posted: **Tue Mar 15, 2022 1:42 pm**

He jumped into the Chelsea role too quickly with barely an experience and with the high expectations there, he was doomed to failure. I doubt he’ll last the season at Everton and then what other big club will appoint him?

He’s better off going back to the championship, or league one, or even becoming an assistant at a big club for 5 years to learn his trade

Posted: **Tue Mar 15, 2022 1:48 pm**

Can’t quite decide on Lampard. With the stuff he gets embroiled in he’s normally basically right, but there’s just something annoying about him. And that also describes me, so of I think he’s a c***, that also makes me one.

Posted: **Tue Mar 15, 2022 1:57 pm**

He should have dropped in to league 1 or 2
For a season .

Posted: **Tue Mar 15, 2022 2:00 pm**

Everton have been mismanaged for a few years now, and the owners think Lampard will suddenly make them a good team. Pep wouldn't be able to do that with the dead wood he has, so it's not fair to judge Lampard imo.
Having said that, he hasn't done much as a manager up to now, and was surprised Everton thought he was the man for the job.
A spell in the Championship would do that club well, but with games in hand on their rivals, I think they'll just survive

Posted: **Tue Mar 15, 2022 2:04 pm**

Steven Gerard did not have much managerial experience before he was parachuted into the Rangers job. That said, Lampard does not endear himself. I do'nt know why. Is it because he can appear smug??

Posted: **Tue Mar 15, 2022 2:29 pm**

Don't think he did too bad at Derby.

Posted: **Tue Mar 15, 2022 2:29 pm**

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 1:57 pm He should have dropped in to league 1 or 2
For a season .

And how many managers go from L1 or L2 to manage at Premiership level?

Premiership clubs , and certainly top ones, do not want managers with experience from the lower leagues

Posted: **Tue Mar 15, 2022 2:39 pm**

Lampard is instantly dislikeable, much like his old teammate John Terry. It would be highly amusing if he and Everton were relegated.

Posted: **Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:29 pm**

spen666 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 2:29 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 1:57 pm He should have dropped in to league 1 or 2
For a season .

And how many managers go from L1 or L2 to manage at Premiership level?

Premiership clubs , and certainly top ones, do not want managers with experience from the lower leagues

Brian Clough did
Plenty of others as well
Cheers for playing

Posted: **Tue Mar 15, 2022 4:44 pm**

WickfordO wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 2:29 pm Don't think he did too bad at Derby.

He didn't - but he got a bit lucky with a loanee from Chelski called Mount.

Posted: **Tue Mar 15, 2022 6:19 pm**

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:29 pm
spen666 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 2:29 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 1:57 pm He should have dropped in to league 1 or 2
For a season .

And how many managers go from L1 or L2 to manage at Premiership level?

Premiership clubs , and certainly top ones, do not want managers with experience from the lower leagues
Brian Clough did
Plenty of others as well
Cheers for playing

So you can name 1

A man who last managed in bottom 2 divisions 48 years ago

Rather proves my statement is accurate as Forest were neither a Premiershipclub ( or old 1st div club) when they appointed Clough, let alone a top club.

It was due to Clough Forest got to top division

Posted: **Tue Mar 15, 2022 6:42 pm**

spen666 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 2:29 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 1:57 pm He should have dropped in to league 1 or 2
For a season .

And how many managers go from L1 or L2 to manage at Premiership level?

Premiership clubs , and certainly top ones, do not want managers with experience from the lower leagues

Out of the British mangers (and there's not many) howe, Smith and moyes, with Hodgson and potter cutting their teeth at small foreign clubs.

Posted: **Wed Mar 16, 2022 5:30 am**

spen666 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 6:19 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:29 pm
spen666 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 2:29 pm

And how many managers go from L1 or L2 to manage at Premiership level?

Premiership clubs , and certainly top ones, do not want managers with experience from the lower leagues
Brian Clough did
Plenty of others as well
Cheers for playing

So you can name 1

A man who last managed in bottom 2 divisions 48 years ago

Rather proves my statement is accurate as Forest were neither a Premiershipclub ( or old 1st div club) when they appointed Clough, let alone a top club.

It was due to Clough Forest got to top division

Howard Wilkinson
last man to win the English division 1 title

Harry Rrdnapp
Chris Wilder
Graham Taylor
Holloway
As adz says
Smith
Howe
Hodgson ( Bristol City 82 )

So just 1 you say eh ?

Come on Spin
I just named 1 of the Best Ever
Who started at Hartlepools
Experience is gained lower down

You will get your revenge one day Spun
But today is not the day .

Posted: **Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:30 am**

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 5:30 am
spen666 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 6:19 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:29 pm

Brian Clough did
Plenty of others as well
Cheers for playing

So you can name 1

A man who last managed in bottom 2 divisions 48 years ago

Rather proves my statement is accurate as Forest were neither a Premiershipclub ( or old 1st div club) when they appointed Clough, let alone a top club.

It was due to Clough Forest got to top division
Howard Wilkinson
last man to win the English division 1 title

Harry Rrdnapp
Chris Wilder

Wilder Was never appointed as a manager by a Premier League Club. He led a club into Premier League - which is different

Graham Taylor
Holloway

Holloway Was never appointed as a manager by a Premier League Club. He led a club into Premier League - which is different

As adz says
Smith
Howe
Hodgson ( Bristol City 82 )

So just 1 you say eh ?

Come on Spin
I just named 1 of the Best Ever
Who started at Hartlepools

Was never appointed as a manager by a Premier League Club. He led a club into Premier League - which is different

Experience is gained lower down

You will get your revenge one day Spun
But today is not the day .

Quoting manager s from before most Orient fans were born is desperation

The fact is most top premiership clubs will not look at managers from lower leagues

Guardiola didn't join Man City from Forest Green
Klopp didn't go to Liverpool from Swindon
Arteta didn't go to Arsenal from Crawley
Conte didn't get experience at Walsall
Tucel didn't join Chelsea based on his record at Harrogate

Etc Etc

Posted: **Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:42 am**

spen666 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:30 am
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 5:30 am
spen666 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 6:19 pm
So you can name 1

A man who last managed in bottom 2 divisions 48 years ago

Rather proves my statement is accurate as Forest were neither a Premiershipclub ( or old 1st div club) when they appointed Clough, let alone a top club.

It was due to Clough Forest got to top division
Howard Wilkinson
last man to win the English division 1 title

Harry Rrdnapp
Chris Wilder
Wilder Was never appointed as a manager by a Premier League Club. He led a club into Premier League - which is different
Graham Taylor
Holloway
Holloway Was never appointed as a manager by a Premier League Club. He led a club into Premier League - which is different
As adz says
Smith
Howe
Hodgson ( Bristol City 82 )

So just 1 you say eh ?

Come on Spin
I just named 1 of the Best Ever
Who started at Hartlepools
Was never appointed as a manager by a Premier League Club. He led a club into Premier League - which is different
Experience is gained lower down

You will get your revenge one day Spun
But today is not the day .

Quoting manager s from before most Orient fans were born is desperation

The fact is most top premiership clubs will not look at managers from lower leagues

Guardiola didn't join Man City from Forest Green
Klopp didn't go to Liverpool from Swindon
Arteta didn't go to Arsenal from Crawley
Conte didn't get experience at Walsall
Tucel didn't join Chelsea based on his record at Harrogate

Etc Etc

Your protestations are irrelevant to my original point
Which was simply to state Lampard should have learnt his trade in League 1 or 2 .

Everything else just seems to be you looking for an argument , which you seem to be losing as all these people started there management careers in
The lowest 2 leagues & then managed in the top flight .

Span accept your defeat like a Man
Or carry on like an uneducated 4 year old
The choice is yours !

Posted: **Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:02 am**

spen666 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:30 am
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 5:30 am
spen666 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 6:19 pm
So you can name 1

A man who last managed in bottom 2 divisions 48 years ago

Rather proves my statement is accurate as Forest were neither a Premiershipclub ( or old 1st div club) when they appointed Clough, let alone a top club.

It was due to Clough Forest got to top division
Howard Wilkinson
last man to win the English division 1 title

Harry Rrdnapp
Chris Wilder
Wilder Was never appointed as a manager by a Premier League Club. He led a club into Premier League - which is different
Graham Taylor
Holloway
Holloway Was never appointed as a manager by a Premier League Club. He led a club into Premier League - which is different
As adz says
Smith
Howe
Hodgson ( Bristol City 82 )

So just 1 you say eh ?

Come on Spin
I just named 1 of the Best Ever
Who started at Hartlepools
Was never appointed as a manager by a Premier League Club. He led a club into Premier League - which is different
Experience is gained lower down

You will get your revenge one day Spun
But today is not the day .

Quoting manager s from before most Orient fans were born is desperation

The fact is most top premiership clubs will not look at managers from lower leagues

Guardiola didn't join Man City from Forest Green
Klopp didn't go to Liverpool from Swindon
Arteta didn't go to Arsenal from Crawley
Conte didn't get experience at Walsall
Tucel didn't join Chelsea based on his record at Harrogate

Etc Etc

Alan Pardew is a recent example.
- Was manager of West Ham and Charlton in the Prem
- Went to Southampton in L1
- Was with Palace/Newcastle/WBA in the Prem.

Posted: **Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:27 am**

MassiveForehead wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:02 am ...

Alan Pardew is a recent example.
- Was manager of West Ham and Charlton in the Prem
- Went to Southampton in L1
- Was with Palace/Newcastle/WBA in the Prem.

A good example, but even then it was 12 years ago he left Southampton and only got the Newcastle job because he owed the FCB so much in gambling debts he had to pay it off

Even with the best will in the world, Newcastle, Palace or West Brom at the times he was appointed could not be described at top Premiership clubs

Posted: **Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:29 am**

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:42 am ...

Your protestations are irrelevant to my original point
Which was simply to state Lampard should have learnt his trade in League 1 or 2 .

Everything else just seems to be you looking for an argument , which you seem to be losing as all these people started there management careers in
The lowest 2 leagues & then managed in the top flight .

Span accept your defeat like a Man
Or carry on like an uneducated 4 year old
The choice is yours !

Tuffers, without adopting your approach of personal insults, the facts demonstrate that top Premiership clubs do not appoint managers who gain their experience in the lower reaches of the football league.

If Lampard wants to manage at the top, then going to a L1 or L2 club will harm not hinder his chances of such an appointment

Posted: **Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:45 am**

spen666 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:29 am
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:42 am ...

Your protestations are irrelevant to my original point
Which was simply to state Lampard should have learnt his trade in League 1 or 2 .

Everything else just seems to be you looking for an argument , which you seem to be losing as all these people started there management careers in
The lowest 2 leagues & then managed in the top flight .

Span accept your defeat like a Man
Or carry on like an uneducated 4 year old
The choice is yours !

Tuffers, without adopting your approach of personal insults, the facts demonstrate that top Premiership clubs do not appoint managers who gain their experience in the lower reaches of the football league.

If Lampard wants to manage at the top, then going to a L1 or L2 club will harm not hinder his chances of such an appointment

all the facts demostrate is that managers who win in the top flight are foreign .

Posted: **Wed Mar 16, 2022 5:11 pm**

spen666 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:27 am
MassiveForehead wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:02 am ...

Alan Pardew is a recent example.
- Was manager of West Ham and Charlton in the Prem
- Went to Southampton in L1
- Was with Palace/Newcastle/WBA in the Prem.

A good example, but even then it was 12 years ago he left Southampton and only got the Newcastle job because he owed the FCB so much in gambling debts he had to pay it off

Even with the best will in the world, Newcastle, Palace or West Brom at the times he was appointed could not be described at top Premiership clubs

I'd agree they wouldn't be considered top clubs. He did get Newcastle to 5th and Palace to a cup final, but I think it's very difficult for anyone who's been British in the last 20 years to have got to a regular top 6 position in the league. Brendan Rodgers and David Moyes are the only ones who have done so more recently than Pardiola.

Posted: **Wed Mar 16, 2022 5:13 pm**

MassiveForehead wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 5:11 pm
spen666 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:27 am
MassiveForehead wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:02 am ...

Alan Pardew is a recent example.
- Was manager of West Ham and Charlton in the Prem
- Went to Southampton in L1
- Was with Palace/Newcastle/WBA in the Prem.

A good example, but even then it was 12 years ago he left Southampton and only got the Newcastle job because he owed the FCB so much in gambling debts he had to pay it off

Even with the best will in the world, Newcastle, Palace or West Brom at the times he was appointed could not be described at top Premiership clubs
I'd agree they wouldn't be considered top clubs. He did get Newcastle to 5th and Palace to a cup final, but I think it's very difficult for anyone who's been British in the last 20 years to have got to a regular top 6 position in the league. Brendan Rodgers and David Moyes are the only ones who have done so more recently than Pardiola.

and the great Tim Sherwood of course with a 6th place

Posted: **Wed Mar 16, 2022 8:06 pm**

spen666 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:29 am
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:42 am ...

Your protestations are irrelevant to my original point
Which was simply to state Lampard should have learnt his trade in League 1 or 2 .

Everything else just seems to be you looking for an argument , which you seem to be losing as all these people started there management careers in
The lowest 2 leagues & then managed in the top flight .

Span accept your defeat like a Man
Or carry on like an uneducated 4 year old
The choice is yours !

Tuffers, without adopting your approach of personal insults, the facts demonstrate that top Premiership clubs do not appoint managers who gain their experience in the lower reaches of the football league.

If Lampard wants to manage at the top, then going to a L1 or L2 club will harm not hinder his chances of such an appointment

The facts demonstrate top clubs do not appoint English managers, maybe they should all just give up trying.

Posted: **Fri Mar 18, 2022 12:01 pm**

That last gasp winner v the Saudi-doped Geordies might have saved him from the chop. For a bit.

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