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Donuts

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 1:31 pm
by ManchesterO
I can't help thinking that when Nigel was head honcho at Dunkin Donuts etc., he must have tracked all the numbers in the business - sales and profit per branch, margin, staff turnover the lot - because that's how you make money out of fast food. So I thought I'd look at the numbers since he bought Orient.

As of today, we are at 203 league games and 285 points, so 1.4 points a game. That is very ordinary - about mid table. But for a season and a half we had Justin in charge and we all know that he transformed the team AND got the best out of two forwards who were much too good for the Conference. JE averaged 1.83 points a game.

So without JE - that is solely with the benefit of the excellent players and outstanding managers that our DoF has recruited - Orient have played 133 games for 157 points, which is 1.18 points a game. That - across the equivalent of three seasons - is absolute pants (I believe I'm not allowed to say anything stronger on this board?). If we get nothing out of Bristol Rovers and Carlisle it will be back to Solihull Moors again and that wonderful, amazing season three years ago will all have been for nothing.

So come on Nigel, I don't care if they are all your mates and very hardworking etc - it's time to change the process because whatever DoF and his crew have been doing all this time - IT IS NOT WORKING!

Re: Donuts

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 1:38 pm
by StillSpike
Does your analysis take any account of the relative strength of the opposition faced by the managers being compared?

"AND got the best out of two forwards who were much too good for the Conference"

Re: Donuts

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 1:39 pm
by StillSpike
NB - certainly not defending the process - or even having a DoF at this level.

Re: Donuts

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 1:47 pm
by Max B Gold
ManchesterO wrote: Mon Feb 21, 2022 1:31 pm I can't help thinking that when Nigel was head honcho at Dunkin Donuts etc., he must have tracked all the numbers in the business - sales and profit per branch, margin, staff turnover the lot - because that's how you make money out of fast food. So I thought I'd look at the numbers since he bought Orient.

As of today, we are at 203 league games and 285 points, so 1.4 points a game. That is very ordinary - about mid table. But for a season and a half we had Justin in charge and we all know that he transformed the team AND got the best out of two forwards who were much too good for the Conference. JE averaged 1.83 points a game.

So without JE - that is solely with the benefit of the excellent players and outstanding managers that our DoF has recruited - Orient have played 133 games for 157 points, which is 1.18 points a game. That - across the equivalent of three seasons - is absolute pants (I believe I'm not allowed to say anything stronger on this board?). If we get nothing out of Bristol Rovers and Carlisle it will be back to Solihull Moors again and that wonderful, amazing season three years ago will all have been for nothing.

So come on Nigel, I don't care if they are all your mates and very hardworking etc - it's time to change the process because whatever DoF and his crew have been doing all this time - IT IS NOT WORKING!
Is there a spreadsheet we can look at?

Re: Donuts

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 1:48 pm
by Chief crazy horse
ManchesterO wrote: Mon Feb 21, 2022 1:31 pm I can't help thinking that when Nigel was head honcho at Dunkin Donuts etc., he must have tracked all the numbers in the business - sales and profit per branch, margin, staff turnover the lot - because that's how you make money out of fast food. So I thought I'd look at the numbers since he bought Orient.

As of today, we are at 203 league games and 285 points, so 1.4 points a game. That is very ordinary - about mid table. But for a season and a half we had Justin in charge and we all know that he transformed the team AND got the best out of two forwards who were much too good for the Conference. JE averaged 1.83 points a game.

So without JE - that is solely with the benefit of the excellent players and outstanding managers that our DoF has recruited - Orient have played 133 games for 157 points, which is 1.18 points a game. That - across the equivalent of three seasons - is absolute pants (I believe I'm not allowed to say anything stronger on this board?). If we get nothing out of Bristol Rovers and Carlisle it will be back to Solihull Moors again and that wonderful, amazing season three years ago will all have been for nothing.

So come on Nigel, I don't care if they are all your mates and very hardworking etc - it's time to change the process because whatever DoF and his crew have been doing all this time - IT IS NOT WORKING!
Agree. But the last paragraph is the most telling .... Got to change!!

Re: Donuts

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 1:58 pm
by Long slender neck
Listen to the Ling interview and tell me how this is his fault.

Re: Donuts

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 1:59 pm
by Rich Tea Wellin
What’s Chomsky think about it all?

Re: Donuts

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 2:00 pm
by Rich Tea Wellin
Also Solihull might get promoted so not entirely correct

Re: Donuts

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 2:12 pm
by Long slender neck
Also bit of a leap to say we'll get relegated if we dont get anything from two games.

Re: Donuts

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 2:20 pm
by Chief crazy horse
True, but I think you get the gist.

Re: Donuts

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 2:21 pm
by tuffers#1
ManchesterO wrote: Mon Feb 21, 2022 1:31 pm I can't help thinking that when Nigel was head honcho at Dunkin Donuts etc., he must have tracked all the numbers in the business - sales and profit per branch, margin, staff turnover the lot - because that's how you make money out of fast food. So I thought I'd look at the numbers since he bought Orient.

As of today, we are at 203 league games and 285 points, so 1.4 points a game. That is very ordinary - about mid table. But for a season and a half we had Justin in charge and we all know that he transformed the team AND got the best out of two forwards who were much too good for the Conference. JE averaged 1.83 points a game.

So without JE - that is solely with the benefit of the excellent players and outstanding managers that our DoF has recruited - Orient have played 133 games for 157 points, which is 1.18 points a game. That - across the equivalent of three seasons - is absolute pants (I believe I'm not allowed to say anything stronger on this board?). If we get nothing out of Bristol Rovers and Carlisle it will be back to Solihull Moors again and that wonderful, amazing season three years ago will all have been for nothing.

So come on Nigel, I don't care if they are all your mates and very hardworking etc - it's time to change the process because whatever DoF and his crew have been doing all this time - IT IS NOT WORKING!
Yet another HATE filled post against Martin Ling
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Re: Donuts

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 2:33 pm
by spen666
A great bit of analysis

lets take out anything positive and then claim the remainder is proof things are not positive

Lets even ignore the fact we are blaming someone for things that are not their responsibility

Re: Donuts

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 8:58 pm
by Smendrick Feaselberg
spen666 wrote: Mon Feb 21, 2022 2:33 pm A great bit of analysis

lets take out anything positive and then claim the remainder is proof things are not positive

Lets even ignore the fact we are blaming someone for things that are not their responsibility
We averaged marginally less than a point per game in the first 22 games after relegation to the NL and immediately before Edinburgh came in. Davis was the worst of the lot by that metric yet, like Jackett, had the proven manager label attached that some of our fans obsess about.

Re: Donuts

Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2022 10:41 am
by Give it to Jabo
Who’d run a football club??

Re: Donuts

Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2022 10:44 am
by StillSpike
Thread was mistake.

Re: Donuts

Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2022 9:37 pm
by Smendrick Feaselberg
You donut know what you're doing.