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admin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:05 pm Regardless of Scotland’s collapse, VAR is going kill football at this rate.

gshaw wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:07 pm

admin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:05 pm Regardless of Scotland’s collapse, VAR is going kill football at this rate.

What has it done tonight? I really don't like how we've gone from "clear and obvious" that yields quick decisions to nitpicking dubious offsides and fouls that seem subjective at best and downright wrong at worst.

admin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:05 pm Regardless of Scotland’s collapse, VAR is going kill football at this rate.

Real Al wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:04 pm 3 up and heading for the knockout stages... then they did an Orient

gshaw wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:20 pm Oh and don't forget the ludicrous rule about the goalkeeper having one foot on the line. Basically makes every penalty save a re-take from here on.

Amazing how the football authorities manage to get it so wrong, so regularly.

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:56 am

gshaw wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:20 pm Oh and don't forget the ludicrous rule about the goalkeeper having one foot on the line. Basically makes every penalty save a re-take from here on.

Amazing how the football authorities manage to get it so wrong, so regularly.

If this rule is strictly adhered to, I would imagine near to 100% of penalties would have to be retaken again nearly every time the penalty taker fails to score. The VAR judging is not that good anyway, I watched the game on Monday 17th June Nigeria v France where France were given the chance to retake the penalty after the young Nigerian goalkeeper moved off the line as the kick was taken. On both occasions, watching on my frame by frame slow motion, French players stepped into the penalty area fractions of seconds before before the penalty kick was actually taken, but the VAR judges failed to see or ignored that !! So the goalie was penalised for her mistake but NOT the French players who stepped into the penalty area, wonder why the VAR judges failed to pick that up ?

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:56 am

gshaw wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:20 pm Oh and don't forget the ludicrous rule about the goalkeeper having one foot on the line. Basically makes every penalty save a re-take from here on.

Amazing how the football authorities manage to get it so wrong, so regularly.

If this rule is strictly adhered to, I would imagine near to 100% of penalties would have to be retaken again nearly every time the penalty taker fails to score. The VAR judging is not that good anyway, I watched the game on Monday 17th June Nigeria v France where France were given the chance to retake the penalty after the young Nigerian goalkeeper moved off the line as the kick was taken. On both occasions, watching on my frame by frame slow motion, French players stepped into the penalty area fractions of seconds before before the penalty kick was actually taken, but the VAR judges failed to see or ignored that !! So the goalie was penalised for her mistake but NOT the French players who stepped into the penalty area, wonder why the VAR judges failed to pick that up ?

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 1:02 pm VAR was very unkind to Scotland as was the change in the handball rule which is a nonsense.

That said the manager screwed up the tactics in the 1dt 2 games and did not introduce fresh legs soon enough in the last game. There is no excuse for the players v Argentina. Shocking.

The Manager (whatever her name is) AHT!! Big Eck IN.

Also, cannot wait to get right behind England's next opponents and cheer them all the way to victory by PUMPING.

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 1:26 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 1:02 pm VAR was very unkind to Scotland as was the change in the handball rule which is a nonsense.

That said the manager screwed up the tactics in the 1dt 2 games and did not introduce fresh legs soon enough in the last game. There is no excuse for the players v Argentina. Shocking.

The Manager (whatever her name is) AHT!! Big Eck IN.

Also, cannot wait to get right behind England's next opponents and cheer them all the way to victory by PUMPING.

Scotland have been SO unlucky in this tournament, but did not help themselves last night. I do not think Shelley Kerr is up to much when it comes to football tactics and game management.
The penalty awarded against Scotland in the England match was a shocking decision, I wished at the time that the English penalty taker had deliberately missed it !! I like any team I support to win fair and square, not like that !
Perhaps with VAR in use, out and out deliberate handball to be given as penalty kick. Non deliberate handball as in Scotlands case against England, indirect free kick to be taken from the edge of the box in line where the incident happened.
Perhaps goalkeeper to be allowed up to a foot off the line when the penalty is taken would make more sense.
Lastly, what a player Erin Cuthbert is, really gutsy and what a fighter, never gives up, so quick and skillful. Erin is a World class forward in ladies football in my opinion !!

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:04 pm

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 1:26 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 1:02 pm VAR was very unkind to Scotland as was the change in the handball rule which is a nonsense.

That said the manager screwed up the tactics in the 1dt 2 games and did not introduce fresh legs soon enough in the last game. There is no excuse for the players v Argentina. Shocking.

The Manager (whatever her name is) AHT!! Big Eck IN.

Also, cannot wait to get right behind England's next opponents and cheer them all the way to victory by PUMPING.

Scotland have been SO unlucky in this tournament, but did not help themselves last night. I do not think Shelley Kerr is up to much when it comes to football tactics and game management.
The penalty awarded against Scotland in the England match was a shocking decision, I wished at the time that the English penalty taker had deliberately missed it !! I like any team I support to win fair and square, not like that !
Perhaps with VAR in use, out and out deliberate handball to be given as penalty kick. Non deliberate handball as in Scotlands case against England, indirect free kick to be taken from the edge of the box in line where the incident happened.
Perhaps goalkeeper to be allowed up to a foot off the line when the penalty is taken would make more sense.
Lastly, what a player Erin Cuthbert is, really gutsy and what a fighter, never gives up, so quick and skillful. Erin is a World class forward in ladies football in my opinion !!

For me Erin is the Dougie Arnott of wimmins football. Cracking player. Shame she plays for Chelsea.

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:34 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:04 pm

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 1:26 pm

Scotland have been SO unlucky in this tournament, but did not help themselves last night. I do not think Shelley Kerr is up to much when it comes to football tactics and game management.
The penalty awarded against Scotland in the England match was a shocking decision, I wished at the time that the English penalty taker had deliberately missed it !! I like any team I support to win fair and square, not like that !
Perhaps with VAR in use, out and out deliberate handball to be given as penalty kick. Non deliberate handball as in Scotlands case against England, indirect free kick to be taken from the edge of the box in line where the incident happened.
Perhaps goalkeeper to be allowed up to a foot off the line when the penalty is taken would make more sense.
Lastly, what a player Erin Cuthbert is, really gutsy and what a fighter, never gives up, so quick and skillful. Erin is a World class forward in ladies football in my opinion !!

For me Erin is the Dougie Arnott of wimmins football. Cracking player. Shame she plays for Chelsea.

Question, wonder why this foul is called a ''HANDBALL'' offence rather than it was in this case, an ''ARMBALL'' ?

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:04 pm

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 1:26 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 1:02 pm VAR was very unkind to Scotland as was the change in the handball rule which is a nonsense.

That said the manager screwed up the tactics in the 1dt 2 games and did not introduce fresh legs soon enough in the last game. There is no excuse for the players v Argentina. Shocking.

The Manager (whatever her name is) AHT!! Big Eck IN.

Also, cannot wait to get right behind England's next opponents and cheer them all the way to victory by PUMPING.

Scotland have been SO unlucky in this tournament, but did not help themselves last night. I do not think Shelley Kerr is up to much when it comes to football tactics and game management.
The penalty awarded against Scotland in the England match was a shocking decision, I wished at the time that the English penalty taker had deliberately missed it !! I like any team I support to win fair and square, not like that !
Perhaps with VAR in use, out and out deliberate handball to be given as penalty kick. Non deliberate handball as in Scotlands case against England, indirect free kick to be taken from the edge of the box in line where the incident happened.
Perhaps goalkeeper to be allowed up to a foot off the line when the penalty is taken would make more sense.
Lastly, what a player Erin Cuthbert is, really gutsy and what a fighter, never gives up, so quick and skillful. Erin is a World class forward in ladies football in my opinion !!

For me Erin is the Dougie Arnott of wimmins football. Cracking player. Shame she plays for Chelsea.

Adz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:28 pm Eventually var will replace lino's and 4th officials. The AI tech will improve to the extent that all offside decisions are instantly relayed to the ref. Ultimately the ref will just be there to communicate decisions to players, rather than make decisions themselves.