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Yorkshire racism report ruled Azeem Rafiq being called 'P**i' was 'banter'. The panel said it "was not reasonable for Azeem to have been offended"

This is quite a read.

www.espncricinfo.com/story/yorkshire-ra ... er-1286449

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Seems as though Rafiq used racist language himself

Seems like a toxic culture at Yorkshrie CCC

While the investigating team (the lawyers who were charged with gathering evidence for the report) found such comments to be "capable of creating an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating or offensive environment…" and accepted Rafiq's "evidence that he was offended, degraded or humiliated and that this amounted to harassment under the Equality Act and the Club's Equal Opportunities policy", the panel (who were charged with making conclusions and recommendations and which included a non-executive member of the Yorkshire board) disagreed.

Their conclusions state "The Panel does not accept that Azeem was offended by [the other player's] comments, either at the time they were made or subsequently."

They go on to say that, in the context of "banter between friends" Rafiq might be "expected to take such comments in the spirit in which they were intended (i.e. good natured banter between friends)… [so] it was not reasonable for Azeem to have been offended by [the other player] directing equally offensive or derogatory comments back at him in the same spirit of friendly banter."

Indeed, the panel accuses Rafiq of using "offensive, racially derogatory comments" when referring to a player of Zimbabwean heritage as "Zimbo from Zimbabwe". The panel viewed this as "a racist, derogatory term" and recommends that, were Rafiq still a Yorkshire player, he should face disciplinary action for using it.

Righto. Happy to be corrected but wasn't aware that Zimbo was a racist term.

If you can't see the racism I suggest you check your white privilege

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Tue Nov 02, 2021 1:08 pm If you can't see the racism I suggest you check your white privilege

I didn't say I couldn't see it. I just wasn't aware that "Zimbo" was a racist term.

What are you getting from this, pammy?

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Tue Nov 02, 2021 1:14 pm What are you getting from this, pammy?

Who knows.

Well if an African POC raises concerns about being referred to as a slang word that reduces them to nothing but their nationality I think it should be called out appropriately

We wouldn't tolerate it if was a South Easian Asian for example in the case of Rafiq (although unfortunately Yorkshire CCC seem to have)

It's funny, but I've thought about this a lot in the past. Without really knowing why, p--i does somehow resonate as being a bit derogatory. And yet we don't bat an eyelid if we say: an 'Aussi, an Argi, or a Afghani?

Admin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 02, 2021 1:11 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Tue Nov 02, 2021 1:08 pm If you can't see the racism I suggest you check your white privilege

I didn't say I couldn't see it. I just wasn't aware that "Zimbo" was a racist term.

I had never even heard of it before, would've gone straight over my head

Engli & Yorki have got very Snowflaki all of a sudden

Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Tue Nov 02, 2021 1:47 pm It's funny, but I've thought about this a lot in the past. Without really knowing why, p--i does somehow resonate as being a bit derogatory. And yet we don't bat an eyelid if we say: an 'Aussi, an Argi, or a Afghani?

It’s all about context. In Australia the word “paki” is used fairly freely without offence, because over there it’s never been used as an insult, unlike here in the UK where it’s obviously a derogatory term.

Yes, but the question is, why, and how?

Guess cause of racist stuff like this when south Asian people started moving to the UK?



Cricket is probably the worst run major sport in the UK and has a particular weakness on race. The number of non-white kids coming through the county system is so small when you compare it to other sports.

Stowaway wrote: ↑Tue Nov 02, 2021 2:08 pm

Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Tue Nov 02, 2021 1:47 pm It's funny, but I've thought about this a lot in the past. Without really knowing why, p--i does somehow resonate as being a bit derogatory. And yet we don't bat an eyelid if we say: an 'Aussi, an Argi, or a Afghani?

It’s all about context. In Australia the word “paki” is used fairly freely without offence, because over there it’s never been used as an insult, unlike here in the UK where it’s obviously a derogatory term.

In Australia, the word ‘paki’ is used freely because they’re about 50 years behind us.

Actually, I was also thinking that...

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Tue Nov 02, 2021 2:40 pm

Stowaway wrote: ↑Tue Nov 02, 2021 2:08 pm

Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Tue Nov 02, 2021 1:47 pm It's funny, but I've thought about this a lot in the past. Without really knowing why, p--i does somehow resonate as being a bit derogatory. And yet we don't bat an eyelid if we say: an 'Aussi, an Argi, or a Afghani?

It’s all about context. In Australia the word “paki” is used fairly freely without offence, because over there it’s never been used as an insult, unlike here in the UK where it’s obviously a derogatory term.

In Australia, the word ‘paki’ is used freely because they’re about 50 years behind us.

Well yes, that also, but it seems the Pakistani community out there (albeit quite a small one in comparison to the UK’s) doesn’t seem to take offence, at least in NSW where I last was. It did make me cringe tho

This needs to go in Woke Watch surely.

Yorkshire CCC being literally the only organisation in the world to consider Zimbo to be racist

Real Al wrote: ↑Tue Nov 02, 2021 3:52 pm This needs to go in Woke Watch surely.

Yorkshire CCC being literally the only organisation in the world to consider Zimbo to be racist

Yet at the same time being of the mind that ‘paki’ and corner shop jokes are simply banter...

If he is from pakistan is it at least not accurate?
Offensive yes but accurate too.

Stowaway wrote: ↑Tue Nov 02, 2021 2:08 pm

Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Tue Nov 02, 2021 1:47 pm It's funny, but I've thought about this a lot in the past. Without really knowing why, p--i does somehow resonate as being a bit derogatory. And yet we don't bat an eyelid if we say: an 'Aussi, an Argi, or a Afghani?

It’s all about context. In Australia the word “paki” is used fairly freely without offence, because over there it’s never been used as an insult, unlike here in the UK where it’s obviously a derogatory term.

It is also how australian slang works too.
Barbie, Footie, Coldie, Dunny, Mozzie, Rellie and so on.

One of those words that everyone will use amongst friends or on whats app but best left there.

KVN wrote: ↑Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:24 pm

Stowaway wrote: ↑Tue Nov 02, 2021 2:08 pm

Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Tue Nov 02, 2021 1:47 pm It's funny, but I've thought about this a lot in the past. Without really knowing why, p--i does somehow resonate as being a bit derogatory. And yet we don't bat an eyelid if we say: an 'Aussi, an Argi, or a Afghani?

It’s all about context. In Australia the word “paki” is used fairly freely without offence, because over there it’s never been used as an insult, unlike here in the UK where it’s obviously a derogatory term.

It is also how australian slang works too.
Barbie, Footie, Coldie, Dunny, Mozzie, Rellie and so on.

You forgot Pakistani ?