League Two (Is it all that)

[spen666]

League 2 will guarantee more segregation and less chance to mix and socialize with fans of other teams.
League 2 will guarantee more pubs refusing to admit away fans
League 2 will guarantee more heavy handed policing
League 2 will guarantee higher overall admission costs

Well feel free to stay away from games if it isn’t your cup of tea. I’m willing to put up with all those things in return for playing in the English football league again. I’d imagine many, many other O’s fans would agree with me.

To counter your points more specifically:

Couldn’t care less about socialising with the locals. Sure, I’ll be polite and have a chat if they are about but ultimately I’m there to watch the O’s not make new friends.

There is ALWAYS at least one away pub. Plus I’m there for the football not real ales. My local has a fine selection of real and craft ales, I’ll go there when I want to sample them. On football days I’ll settle for any old fizz. And sometimes, shock horror, I don’t even drink on match days!

Heavy handed policing - I’ve been going to football since I was a child. I’ve never personally been on the receiving end of heavy handed policing. But then again, I tend keep my wits about me and stay out of trouble. This really isn’t a concern for most law abiding fans.

Admission prices aren’t that much higher, it’s League Two not the Premiership. Plus, I’m willing to pay a bit more as technically I’m paying for a higher standard of football.

And finally, to counter your point about travel, whilst there are a handful of examples of clubs which aren’t easy to get to, on the whole the point about easier access stands.

If you honestly believe that the points you raised are solid arguments AGAINST wanting promotion then I have to ask how you’ve managed to cope all these years. Orient have been a football league club a LOT longer then they have been non-league so it’s really strange that you have such a negative opinion on the football league.

Not sure what post you are replying to, but I never mentioned real ales, not was there any mention of easier access stands whatever they are


Nor have I sad any of the things I pointed out would out me off going to games. I merely pointed out some of the other factors that come with promotion

Sorry if you have a problem with people looking at the negatives as well as the positives about leave 2 football compared to non League football

[Smendrick Feaselberg]

Being able to name 7 substitutes

[Esteban]

League 2 will guarantee more segregation and less chance to mix and socialize with fans of other teams.
League 2 will guarantee more pubs refusing to admit away fans
League 2 will guarantee more heavy handed policing
League 2 will guarantee higher overall admission costs

Well feel free to stay away from games if it isn’t your cup of tea. I’m willing to put up with all those things in return for playing in the English football league again. I’d imagine many, many other O’s fans would agree with me.

To counter your points more specifically:

Couldn’t care less about socialising with the locals. Sure, I’ll be polite and have a chat if they are about but ultimately I’m there to watch the O’s not make new friends.

There is ALWAYS at least one away pub. Plus I’m there for the football not real ales. My local has a fine selection of real and craft ales, I’ll go there when I want to sample them. On football days I’ll settle for any old fizz. And sometimes, shock horror, I don’t even drink on match days!

Heavy handed policing - I’ve been going to football since I was a child. I’ve never personally been on the receiving end of heavy handed policing. But then again, I tend keep my wits about me and stay out of trouble. This really isn’t a concern for most law abiding fans.

Admission prices aren’t that much higher, it’s League Two not the Premiership. Plus, I’m willing to pay a bit more as technically I’m paying for a higher standard of football.

And finally, to counter your point about travel, whilst there are a handful of examples of clubs which aren’t easy to get to, on the whole the point about easier access stands.

If you honestly believe that the points you raised are solid arguments AGAINST wanting promotion then I have to ask how you’ve managed to cope all these years. Orient have been a football league club a LOT longer then they have been non-league so it’s really strange that you have such a negative opinion on the football league.

Not sure what post you are replying to, but I never mentioned real ales, not was there any mention of easier access stands whatever they are


Nor have I sad any of the things I pointed out would out me off going to games. I merely pointed out some of the other factors that come with promotion

Sorry if you have a problem with people looking at the negatives as well as the positives about leave 2 football compared to non League football

I don’t have a problem with the negatives at all. But my general argument is that the negatives are far outweighed by the positives.

I mentioned real ales because you said about lack of access to pubs on away days. This would be an issue if you’re worried about going to the best pub with good beers to select. My point was that there is always at least one away pub when you can get rubbish beer, so what’s the issue, unless beer selection is a concern of yours on away days.

I think there’s been a misunderstanding about the access point. Somebody on this thread said the League Two has clubs which are easier to get to transport wise. You listed a few examples of clubs which have grounds far away from train stations. My point was that whilst there are a few grounds like this, on the whole, League 2 clubs are easier to get to.

Non-League in general - I understand the appeal, but for me personally I hate it. Have spent my entire life going to football, the two in non-league have been by far the worst.

You are correct, like all things in life there are negatives to League Two, but the negatives of non-League, for me, are far worse.

[Orient_Man_And_Boy]

But will the standard of the referees be any different?

(Oh, and congratulations to Lincoln City)

[stage3]

At lest we will be able to get s f*cking seat.

[StepneyO]

The 1.2 million pounds we get for being in the football league is a start compared to the 80k in national league

Holding onto to our academy is also a decent thing.

[Rich Tea Wellin]

Think everyones forgotten that League Two is pretty much is the same as the NL.

Jeez. Do you go to games. Astonishing comment.

Only about 30 this season but about 40 in league two.

Clubs are slightly better, refs are slightly better, football about the same. Still tin pot teams and awful officials.

Don’t get me wrong. I wanna get there but people have short memories

[CreamofSumYungGai]

It’s massively worse in this division all round.

At first it was bit of a giggle, the quaintness made up for the awfulness of everything. But after experiencing Sutton 2 years on the bounce, I’m done. Let’s get the hell out of this shithole of a league.

[RedDwarf 1881]

Not playing Sutton.

And Bromley.

[Westcliffo]

The football in this league is worse than league 2, if only from the point of view of the cheating. You get time wasting over physical teams in league 2, but only a few. This league it’s most weeks. The level of gamesmanship has been horrible the last two years and I won’t miss it whenever we get out of the league. I always thought before we went down that there wasn’t much difference in the standard of play but there is. Players are not as consistent as league 2 and some clubs find playing much football a chore, preferring to fall over holding their faces, when they lose the ball.

The Sutton fans I spoke to yesterday were nice folk-generally my experience during the last two years of the sides we have played. But their ground is a dump and that pitch plays nothing like grass. Then there is the gamesmanship (not as bad as at our place as it turned out) and terrible refereeing and that’s typical of the National league experience.

We are a league club. No one has the right to be that and we have to earn our return. When we do, I shall value that status all the more. Oh and stick two fingers up to the pillock whose ego brought us here in the first place.

[Bottomley’s Ghost]

I honestly think people have forgotten how much time-wasting went on in the two relegation seasons when teams would turn up at our place and find themselves winning.

On the plus side the officials are a lot better in L2 and having a mix of part-time and full-time teams makes it frustrating because it’s standard if you beat a p-t team and a disaster if you don’t.

[RientO]

League 2 may not be all that, but I am hoping Orient are in League 1 before too long and the only way to get there is via League 2.
IMHO League 1 is the level a club with an average gate of 5,000 plus should be aiming for.

[EastDerehamO]

Four promotion spots available of which three are automatic is the big plus of League Two over the National League.

[y o y o y]

I admit the thread title was an Adrian Durham-esque type question.
It has generated some passionate responses. From my point of view League Two is where I want to be next season.

The low I felt when we were relegated out of the football league and the threat of folding as a club, has to be my worse day as an Orient supporter.
It out ranks failure to win promotion in '74 and the three play-off final defeats at Old Wembley, Cardiff and New Wembley.

Here's to a bright future and Leyton Orient back in the football league

Up the O's

[Leyton Green]

The football in this league is worse than league 2, if only from the point of view of the cheating. You get time wasting over physical teams in league 2, but only a few. This league it’s most weeks. The level of gamesmanship has been horrible the last two years and I won’t miss it whenever we get out of the league. I always thought before we went down that there wasn’t much difference in the standard of play but there is. Players are not as consistent as league 2 and some clubs find playing much football a chore, preferring to fall over holding their faces, when they lose the ball.

The Sutton fans I spoke to yesterday were nice folk-generally my experience during the last two years of the sides we have played. But their ground is a dump and that pitch plays nothing like grass. Then there is the gamesmanship (not as bad as at our place as it turned out) and terrible refereeing and that’s typical of the National league experience.

We are a league club. No one has the right to be that and we have to earn our return. When we do, I shall value that status all the more. Oh and stick two fingers up to the pillock whose ego brought us here in the first place.

[Fatbaz]

League 2 may not be all that, but I am hoping Orient are in League 1 before too long and the only way to get there is via League 2.
IMHO League 1 is the level a club with an average gate of 5,000 plus should be aiming for.

That's how I see it, too.
L2 is an unavoidable stepping-stone to advancement. I think that we'll probably find things pretty tough and I don't envisage roaring through the division like a hurricane. We may be there a while. If we have to endure a couple of seasons of mid-table doldrums, the current excitement that we're enjoying will seem like a distant, joyous memory.

[y o y o y]

League Two is just three steps away. Let's do it.

[RientO]

League 2 may not be all that, but I am hoping Orient are in League 1 before too long and the only way to get there is via League 2.
IMHO League 1 is the level a club with an average gate of 5,000 plus should be aiming for.

That's how I see it, too.
L2 is an unavoidable stepping-stone to advancement. I think that we'll probably find things pretty tough and I don't envisage roaring through the division like a hurricane. We may be there a while. If we have to endure a couple of seasons of mid-table doldrums, the current excitement that we're enjoying will seem like a distant, joyous memory.

I don’t either, but Lincoln are probably a good role model. Get settled in League Two in first season back then get competitive. And they won EFL trophy last season to boot. Not that much bigger in terms of attendance than Orient.

[CreamofSumYungGai]

If we get out of this division, keep hold of Turley, Judd, Marvin, Coulson, Happe, Widdowson, Clay, Jobi, Brophy, JWMD, Koroma and Bonne and recruit sensibly in the summer - no more Gormans and Alabis, please - then we will be competitive immediately.

[y o y o y]

Hooky = Cosyg

[CreamofSumYungGai]

I was hoping to keep my anonymity by liking Clay on this forum.

[y o y o y]

I was hoping to keep my anonymity by liking Clay on this forum.

Heh.

What's not to like about Clay nowadays Cosy ?

[CreamofSumYungGai]

Nothing, so long as his performances continue to mirror his face by being immense.