Independent Leyton Orient Forum

Do you think we should continue to have match streaming for fans who live to far a distance to attend games at the stadium every fortnight.

I have a 90 mile round trip to watch the O’s and I know people who travel a lot further. I still don’t think we are out of the woods with Covid so I think streaming is going to continue next season at least in its current format where fans can either attend or stream but it’s a poor substitute for going to games IMHO.

As for the future I think clubs have seen the potential and it maybe there will be streaming season tickets available for our distant O’s fans. And possibly an away games season ticket on general sales

Needs to be carefully thought out.

i absolutely do. I think overall it would increase our income because the amount of people who would usually come to a home game but would stop if there is a stream, would be minimal. It opens our games up to the world.

I guess the downside would maybe be reduced away attendances at BR because if every club was offering it, we likely see more people watching from home rather than spending £100s on travel.

Definitely, would be an excellent source of income for the club for any fans that live a good distance away or unable to attend for any other reason.

If its financially beneficial to the club then of course. If its not then can it and put all resources into improving the team's performance.

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 8:31 am i absolutely do. I think overall it would increase our income because the amount of people who would usually come to a home game but would stop if there is a stream, would be minimal. It opens our games up to the world.

I guess the downside would maybe be reduced away attendances at BR because if every club was offering it, we likely see more people watching from home rather than spending £100s on travel.

I don’t think it will affect attendances much. If people wanted to just watch games from home there are already a multitude on Sky, BT, Amazon etc. I would go to Orient ahead of watching a stream. And away fans go for a variety of reasons and generally are the more dedicated fan who attend regardless.

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 8:31 am i absolutely do. I think overall it would increase our income because the amount of people who would usually come to a home game but would stop if there is a stream, would be minimal. It opens our games up to the world.

I guess the downside would maybe be reduced away attendances at BR because if every club was offering it, we likely see more people watching from home rather than spending £100s on travel.

The away regulars will go regardless. We all know/have been the sort. The day out is part of the whole experience.

I’d hope the streaming option would continue. For people such as me 100 miles from the ground, and a big time hit in attending (not to mention cost of fuel & day out) the club get more of my money via streaming than they do over the course of a normal season.

I’ve streamed every EFL game so far, I’d normally visit Brisbane Road perhaps 5-6 times a season pre pandemic, and would still visit at a similar level for the atmosphere/ social side, as I invariably go with or meet another mate there, it’s a day out, pre match stroll, burger and a couple of pubs, I’d still want to do that.

If there was a wider EFL concern re crowds diminishing too much with streaming, the technology is there to encourage it the right way. We’re signed up with our clubs with home postcodes, so an easy automatic distance check, the further one lives from the ground the more streaming allowed maybe. In my case they have my record of tickets bought pre pandemic and streaming since, they can see the advantages, time for football to embrace more streaming options post pandemic.

The way some of you lot are going on, anyone would think you'd enjoyed this season

There’s been a few times where I’ve been hungover on a Saturday and f*cked the game off. Getting to watch the game at home would make that decision a lot easier.

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 8:31 am i absolutely do. I think overall it would increase our income because the amount of people who would usually come to a home game but would stop if there is a stream, would be minimal. It opens our games up to the world.

I guess the downside would maybe be reduced away attendances at BR because if every club was offering it, we likely see more people watching from home rather than spending £100s on travel.

Home team currently get the income from the first 500 streams bought by the away side.

moonwalk 19 said:- "Do you think we should continue to have match streaming for fans who live to far a distance to attend games at the stadium every fortnight."
It is not just a matter of distance. All the medication I am on, makes it a nightmare to be out and about. On a bad day I need to pee every 30 mins or so & speedo. Especially when cold. As for sitting 90 minutes in a freezing stadium it is a no no. Come April, May and September it ain't too bad. But having to put up with sideways passing in the comfort of your armchair is pretty bad too; as I discovered I was paying £10 for a 90 minutes plus snooze. Please please, next season continue with the streaming, but let's be a bit more adventurous.

As long as price matches ticket prices at ground.

moonwalk19 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 7:52 am Do you think we should continue to have match streaming for fans who live to far a distance to attend games at the stadium every fortnight.

That's a no brainer . Of course we should .

Stamford O wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 11:08 am As long as price matches ticket prices at ground.

That’s unlikely. Paying £20 plus for a stream would make it very expensive and very few sales will happen at that price level. I would say that lowering the price to £5 would mean more impulse buys with the attitude, it’s only a fiver. Given the choice of £20 to attend of £5 to stream, I would attend. In fact I would attend even if the stream was free.

OyinbO wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 9:29 am The way some of you lot are going on, anyone would think you'd enjoyed this season

Bits of it have been good. Maybe too few good bits, but not a total disaster like the second half of 2016/17.

A lot of clubs are going to be in a dreadful financial position because of the pandemic so I think the continuation of streaming must happen. I live a long way from E10 so the clubs had more money out of me this season than it would do otherwise. I don't really want to get on a train to London until Covid is beaten. I've people that I love and care about whose interests and wellbeing come first. It wouldn't surprise me if the utter jokers who run the Football League put the kybosh on it though. Perish the thought that their own members could actually maximise their revenue.
From the O's point of view we have a very geographically spread out fanbase and streaming would allow the club to generate revenue from far flung fans. I doubt if it would affect matchday attendances too much.

The question is will the EFL allow it as i don’t think it is our decision to make.

Now that I am in my seventies I am more reluctant to sit in the stand on a freezing cold winters evening that I was when I was younger. I have really enjoyed watching some many games this season on the stream.

It would be great if the EFL and club allowed it to continue.

Absolutely, if it's not available I won't renew. What with the vivid restrictions and anti-car policies coming in all around London attending the ground is going to be more of a chore than anything, I'm personally happy to stream at home for the most part.

It's all about whether the EFL have the common sense and vision to realise that clubs won't lose out from streaming. Those who desperately want to get back to the ground will do so but those who can't / won't travel are the ones that are revenue gain from streaming. It's really a no-brainer, so of course the EFL idiots still likely do the opposite and ban it.

JimbO wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 9:36 am

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 8:31 am i absolutely do. I think overall it would increase our income because the amount of people who would usually come to a home game but would stop if there is a stream, would be minimal. It opens our games up to the world.

I guess the downside would maybe be reduced away attendances at BR because if every club was offering it, we likely see more people watching from home rather than spending £100s on travel.

Home team currently get the income from the first 500 streams bought by the away side.

Macklin said at the shareholders thing that because we aren't on the EFL platform we basically get every penny...which seems wrong but maybe he means of people who go through our site.

EastDerehamO wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 9:12 am If there was a wider EFL concern re crowds diminishing too much with streaming, the technology is there to encourage it the right way. We’re signed up with our clubs with home postcodes, so an easy automatic distance check, the further one lives from the ground the more streaming allowed maybe. In my case they have my record of tickets bought pre pandemic and streaming since, they can see the advantages, time for football to embrace more streaming options post pandemic.

Exactly. And Ronnie Hotdogs could still watch every game legally from his cottage in the French countryside.

RientO wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 8:43 am

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 8:31 am i absolutely do. I think overall it would increase our income because the amount of people who would usually come to a home game but would stop if there is a stream, would be minimal. It opens our games up to the world.

I guess the downside would maybe be reduced away attendances at BR because if every club was offering it, we likely see more people watching from home rather than spending £100s on travel.

I don’t think it will affect attendances much. If people wanted to just watch games from home there are already a multitude on Sky, BT, Amazon etc. I would go to Orient ahead of watching a stream. And away fans go for a variety of reasons and generally are the more dedicated fan who attend regardless.

No Orient games on BT or Sky

It should continue.

I have no idea of the costs of doing it. Presumably games are recorded as a matter of course these days so there shouldn't be too much extra cost in streaming. I would certainly watch away games that are not close enough to go to, also watching a match at home rather than at a freezing cold stadium has its attractions .

gshaw wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 4:31 pm Absolutely, if it's not available I won't renew. What with the vivid restrictions and anti-car policies coming in all around London attending the ground is going to be more of a chore than anything, I'm personally happy to stream at home for the most part.

It's all about whether the EFL have the common sense and vision to realise that clubs won't lose out from streaming. Those who desperately want to get back to the ground will do so but those who can't / won't travel are the ones that are revenue gain from streaming. It's really a no-brainer, so of course the EFL idiots still likely do the opposite and ban it.

I do hope common sense will prevail.I don’t think it will have affect the crowd size who can get to the stadium . I also think that the government will still only let in a percentage of the capacity of the stadium which will also include no away fans. I think streaming has got to be a thing of the future.