Independent Leyton Orient Forum

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 11:02 am You mention Asian grooming offences, completely out of context, and you want a serious debate?

West Side Story wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 10:37 am I am going to be controversial here, but would like to open up a serious & sensible debate. This year Ramadan is falling in May/June. In the UK this is the period of maximum daylight hours. People who observe Ramadan, cease eating & often drinking too during daylight hours, unless they have a medical dispensation, and even then they often attempt to observe the fast. There is an article about this on the BBC website about a girl who says she gets ratty. Now I have a vested interest as, I lost my job because of this ( somebody else was fasting ). But are we happy that the bus or lorry driver has been driving all day long with nothing to eat? Or what about being treated by a doctor similarly starved? Teachers on their feet all day and so on. Being diabetic I know that low blood glucose can have a bad effect on your body. Often creeping up on you without you being aware. Anyone know if anyone has collected data on traffic accidents during Ramadan? My gut instinct tells me that this is a similar situation to the Asian grooming offences. Because of sensitivity to peoples Religion, Political Correctness and so on, it is perhaps a "no-go " area. Over to you guys. Please try and be objective. This is a serious thread.

StillSpike wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 11:34 am WSS - so what do you expect to come out of this "serious discussion" then?

Do you think we should make it illegal not to have something to eat or drink? or are you wanting to dial that back a bit, and just make it illegal to drive a bus/practice medicine/teach if you're from a certain religion? (or are a vegan, or on a diet, or just don't eat much?)

Good luck with all that.

(or maybe Prestige's post was what you were really after?)

Esteban wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 11:19 am Why is a Leyton Orient message board slowly turning into a refuge for thinly veiled Islamophobia?

Really, really disappointing and I seriously hope the admins take appropriate action.

There is a wildly disproportionate amount of threads on this board about Islam, which is odd considering this is a football message board.

I note that the OP, like others on here, is quick to caveat his comment with the classic line of "I'm being controversial here" and suggesting that any stick he may get for his misplaced comments are simply the result of "political correctness". And indeed, we already see a member dismissing a very valid point against the original comment by claiming that a "PC alarm" has gone off.

I'm certain that the person who set up this message board did not do it so that this kind of behavior can flourish.

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 11:41 am

Esteban wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 11:19 am Why is a Leyton Orient message board slowly turning into a refuge for thinly veiled Islamophobia?

Really, really disappointing and I seriously hope the admins take appropriate action.

There is a wildly disproportionate amount of threads on this board about Islam, which is odd considering this is a football message board.

I note that the OP, like others on here, is quick to caveat his comment with the classic line of "I'm being controversial here" and suggesting that any stick he may get for his misplaced comments are simply the result of "political correctness". And indeed, we already see a member dismissing a very valid point against the original comment by claiming that a "PC alarm" has gone off.

I'm certain that the person who set up this message board did not do it so that this kind of behavior can flourish.

There are far more threads on politics than Islam which is also odd considering that this is a football message board but I see no complaints about that.

I presume that you also have no issue with the term Gammon being thrown at certain people which if a similar term was thrown at a non white straight male would have you similarly over reacting?

Esteban wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 11:52 am
There are far more threads on politics than Islam which is also odd considering that this is a football message board but I see no complaints about that.

I presume that you also have no issue with the term Gammon being thrown at certain people which if a similar term was thrown at a non white straight male would have you similarly over reacting?

West Side Story wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 10:37 am I am going to be controversial here, but would like to open up a serious & sensible debate. This year Ramadan is falling in May/June. In the UK this is the period of maximum daylight hours. People who observe Ramadan, cease eating & often drinking too during daylight hours, unless they have a medical dispensation, and even then they often attempt to observe the fast. There is an article about this on the BBC website about a girl who says she gets ratty. Now I have a vested interest as, I lost my job because of this ( somebody else was fasting ). But are we happy that the bus or lorry driver has been driving all day long with nothing to eat? Or what about being treated by a doctor similarly starved? Teachers on their feet all day and so on. Being diabetic I know that low blood glucose can have a bad effect on your body. Often creeping up on you without you being aware. Anyone know if anyone has collected data on traffic accidents during Ramadan? My gut instinct tells me that this is a similar situation to the Asian grooming offences. Because of sensitivity to peoples Religion, Political Correctness and so on, it is perhaps a "no-go " area. Over to you guys. Please try and be objective. This is a serious thread.

West Side Story wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 10:37 am I am going to be controversial here, but would like to open up a serious & sensible debate. This year Ramadan is falling in May/June. In the UK this is the period of maximum daylight hours. People who observe Ramadan, cease eating & often drinking too during daylight hours, unless they have a medical dispensation, and even then they often attempt to observe the fast. There is an article about this on the BBC website about a girl who says she gets ratty. Now I have a vested interest as, I lost my job because of this ( somebody else was fasting ). But are we happy that the bus or lorry driver has been driving all day long with nothing to eat? Or what about being treated by a doctor similarly starved? Teachers on their feet all day and so on. Being diabetic I know that low blood glucose can have a bad effect on your body. Often creeping up on you without you being aware. Anyone know if anyone has collected data on traffic accidents during Ramadan? My gut instinct tells me that this is a similar situation to the Asian grooming offences. Because of sensitivity to peoples Religion, Political Correctness and so on, it is perhaps a "no-go " area. Over to you guys. Please try and be objective. This is a serious thread.

Esteban wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 11:19 am Why is a Leyton Orient message board slowly turning into a refuge for thinly veiled Islamophobia?

Really, really disappointing and I seriously hope the admins take appropriate action.

There is a wildly disproportionate amount of threads on this board about Islam, which is odd considering this is a football message board.

I note that the OP, like others on here, is quick to caveat his comment with the classic line of "I'm being controversial here" and suggesting that any stick he may get for his misplaced comments are simply the result of "political correctness". And indeed, we already see a member dismissing a very valid point against the original comment by claiming that a "PC alarm" has gone off.

I'm certain that the person who set up this message board did not do it so that this kind of behavior can flourish.

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 12:08 pm

West Side Story wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 10:37 am I am going to be controversial here, but would like to open up a serious & sensible debate. This year Ramadan is falling in May/June. In the UK this is the period of maximum daylight hours. People who observe Ramadan, cease eating & often drinking too during daylight hours, unless they have a medical dispensation, and even then they often attempt to observe the fast. There is an article about this on the BBC website about a girl who says she gets ratty. Now I have a vested interest as, I lost my job because of this ( somebody else was fasting ). But are we happy that the bus or lorry driver has been driving all day long with nothing to eat? Or what about being treated by a doctor similarly starved? Teachers on their feet all day and so on. Being diabetic I know that low blood glucose can have a bad effect on your body. Often creeping up on you without you being aware. Anyone know if anyone has collected data on traffic accidents during Ramadan? My gut instinct tells me that this is a similar situation to the Asian grooming offences. Because of sensitivity to peoples Religion, Political Correctness and so on, it is perhaps a "no-go " area. Over to you guys. Please try and be objective. This is a serious thread.

People in relevant professions should make sure that fasting does not affect their ability to do their jobs. Personally, I am not aware of any cases where it would or has, but there probably are some.

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 12:04 pm

Esteban wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 11:52 am
There are far more threads on politics than Islam which is also odd considering that this is a football message board but I see no complaints about that.

I presume that you also have no issue with the term Gammon being thrown at certain people which if a similar term was thrown at a non white straight male would have you similarly over reacting?

I agree, there are way too many political threads on this board.

Nice bit of whataboutery there regarding the term gammon.

Why am I not remotely surprised that YOU are defending this tripe? The same person who throwing the "one rule for THEM, another rule for US" narrative. As I pointed out on that thread, the sad thing is that people like you genuinely can't see what is wrong with your attitude. Anybody who calls you out is just an example of "political correctness".

I expect this kind of cr*p on the Daily Mail comments section, not a Leyton Orient message board.