Cheltenham ‘highlights’

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

https://www.leytonorient.com/leyton-ori ... _k73f8ihc/

[Rich Tea Wellin]

Still can’t tell if:
- Ling has been told to play narrow
- Ling just gets caught ball watching
- combination of the above
- Wilkinson just isn’t doing his job and covering

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Whatever it is, it has to stop.

That first goal is diabolical. He tucked inside and didn’t know his man was out on the wing, he’d totally lost him. But if for some bizarre reason he’s being told not to attack the winger - which looks like it’s a deliberate tactic, as it’s happening so often - he has to get back to the near post to defend that. But he doesn’t, he’s outside the six yard box doing absolutely f*** all. Coulson has to come across to cover that.

And then, when Coulson retreats to the goal line to cover as a natural defender would do, he’s dawdling around instead of helping out. It’s farcical.

There’s bugger all pressure applied to the winger on the second as well.

[BiggsyMalone]

To anyone who thinks Sam Ling is a good right back. Please watch both goals. I'm f*cking sick of this, every week.

First goal is classic Ling and Wright. Wright gets caught between closing the CB down, closing the passing lane or dropping back to pick his man up and then fails to put a decent tackle in when he gets back.

Watch the winger Ling leaves in acres of space, watch how he tucks inside to pick up Coulson's man but doesn't and he's allowed to dart from Ling's left to his right and then from his right to make a run into the box whilst Ling ambles about. I don't particularly blame him for sticking it in the goal. If you look, the player that Ling 'tries' to mark is the one he tackles the ball into the goal from and at no point does Ling point of shout at Coulson to pick him back up, nor does Coulson even see the bloke.

The 2nd one, I have no f*cking idea what he's thinking. He's marking someone then lets him go to go and stand in space. Absolutely dreadful. Dennis watches the bloke who goes on to score, trot into the box without tracking back. Jobi does the same. Cisse had no awareness and didn't get a call. Jobi was too busy telling Brophy to close the space down.

The defending is an absolute f*cking shamble from all of them but at least Coulson and Widdowson (at LB) have shown they can defend, in the past.

[BiggsyMalone]

Still can’t tell if:
- Ling has been told to play narrow
- Ling just gets caught ball watching
- combination of the above
- Wilkinson just isn’t doing his job and covering

Wilkinson could have got back but that wasn't his man to get back to. You don't expect a bloke playing wide right in a 433 to have to track back enough to cover for the RB who has just left his man. He'll be knackered after 20 mins of shuttle runs.

[Disoriented]

This virus has played havoc will lofc
We just do not know if these players have had this virus - I seen reports on line the virus can for some be a terrible thing for a recovery
- this is new place for all
- be thoughtful.

However we are not fools and we expect
- sound team selection
- sound tactics
- good effort - subject to virus complications of course

How long does the Covid excuse last for?

[BiggsyMalone]

This virus has played havoc will lofc
We just do not know if these players have had this virus - I seen reports on line the virus can for some be a terrible thing for a recovery
- this is new place for all
- be thoughtful.

However we are not fools and we expect
- sound team selection
- sound tactics
- good effort - subject to virus complications of course

These mistakes happen EVERY WEEK. Stop making excuses. Decent defenders have gone backwards and sh*t ones have got even worse.

[gshaw]

This virus has played havoc will lofc
We just do not know if these players have had this virus - I seen reports on line the virus can for some be a terrible thing for a recovery
- this is new place for all
- be thoughtful.

However we are not fools and we expect
- sound team selection
- sound tactics
- good effort - subject to virus complications of course

These mistakes happen EVERY WEEK. Stop making excuses. Decent defenders have gone backwards and sh*t ones have got even worse.

This, the goals we conceded on Saturday are the same type of goals we've conceded in other games. Just this time the strikers didn't bail the defence out with a second half comeback.

[Disoriented]

This virus has played havoc will lofc
We just do not know if these players have had this virus - I seen reports on line the virus can for some be a terrible thing for a recovery
- this is new place for all
- be thoughtful.

However we are not fools and we expect
- sound team selection
- sound tactics
- good effort - subject to virus complications of course

These mistakes happen EVERY WEEK. Stop making excuses. Decent defenders have gone backwards and sh*t ones have got even worse.

This, the goals we conceded on Saturday are the same type of goals we've conceded in other games. Just this time the strikers didn't bail the defence out with a second half comeback.

Exactly. It beggars belief how some people keep on finding new excuses for these mistakes.

Enough is enough.

[Thor]

This virus has played havoc will lofc
We just do not know if these players have had this virus - I seen reports on line the virus can for some be a terrible thing for a recovery
- this is new place for all
- be thoughtful.

However we are not fools and we expect
- sound team selection
- sound tactics
- good effort - subject to virus complications of course

How long does the Covid excuse last for?

all season.

[Beradogs]

Whatever it is, it has to stop.

That first goal is diabolical. He tucked inside and didn’t know his man was out on the wing, he’d totally lost him. But if for some bizarre reason he’s being told not to attack the winger - which looks like it’s a deliberate tactic, as it’s happening so often - he has to get back to the near post to defend that. But he doesn’t, he’s outside the six yard box doing absolutely f*** all. Coulson has to come across to cover that.

And then, when Coulson retreats to the goal line to cover as a natural defender would do, he’s dawdling around instead of helping out. It’s farcical.

There’s bugger all pressure applied to the winger on the second as well.

Yep. I was saying the same on another thread. That is actually one of the worst goals I have seen conceded in a professional football match. If ling is told not to go and cut the cross then fine but as a defender to then wander back like a snail and kind of just stand in the middle of nowhere rather than go straight to the near post or get in front of the forwards is not something I have seen in div 4 of Sunday league. Seriously. He may have had the virus etc but it’s every week. His desire and positional sense is non existent.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Whatever it is, it has to stop.

That first goal is diabolical. He tucked inside and didn’t know his man was out on the wing, he’d totally lost him. But if for some bizarre reason he’s being told not to attack the winger - which looks like it’s a deliberate tactic, as it’s happening so often - he has to get back to the near post to defend that. But he doesn’t, he’s outside the six yard box doing absolutely f*** all. Coulson has to come across to cover that.

And then, when Coulson retreats to the goal line to cover as a natural defender would do, he’s dawdling around instead of helping out. It’s farcical.

There’s bugger all pressure applied to the winger on the second as well.

Yep. I was saying the same on another thread. That is actually one of the worst goals I have seen conceded in a professional football match. If ling is told not to go and cut the cross then fine but as a defender to then wander back like a snail and kind of just stand in the middle of nowhere rather than go straight to the near post or get in front of the forwards is not something I have seen in div 4 of Sunday league. Seriously. He may have had the virus etc but it’s every week. His desire and positional sense is non existent.

He's not a defender. He's not a full back.

[BiggsyMalone]

But we won the league last season with him at right back

Justin was no fool

We finished 17th.

He was no fool, that’s why Turley ended up playing there

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

But we won the league last season with him at right back

Justin was no fool

Justin wasn't. That's why Turley ended up being our first choice RB/wingback.

[BiggsyMalone]

The season we won
How many people played at right back

Ling, Judd and Turley. Marv maybe played there a couple of times.

Ling played 20 times and Judd 19 (in the league). Ling also played a couple of times at LB.

[Orient Punxx]

It wasn’t just the goals - they were coming from the off. Never seen such woeful defending during the whole of the first 30 mins of this game.

[Thor]

The season we won
How many people played at right back

Ok looking at the season we won the league, the data is from soccerbase and it shows the following. CS is clean sheets.

Myles Judd
Played 19 Won 12 Drew 6 Lost 1 GF 36 GA 9 CS 10

Myles had a 63% win rate a 32% draw rate and a 5% loss rate. Clean sheets came in at 53%

Sam Ling
Played 22 Won 11 Drew 5 Lost 6 GF 35 GA 20 CS 7

Sam had a 50% win rate a 23% draw rate and a 27% loss rate. Clean sheets came in at 32%

Based on the stats Myles was the better team player, a better fit at right back and a more solid defender. After watching the games that season we were much more defensively sound when Myles played and if he hadn't had got injured maybe we would have won the league earlier or easier, something we will.never know.

However the stats back it up Myles was the better player that season.

[Rich Tea Wellin]

Think the club should clarify their position on Myles. I think it's a bit of a joke that one of our young talents has been left to rot in the stands without so much as a word on why. Maybe is Myles fault, maybe the management genuinely think he's not worth a place near the team but i'd be interested to know whats going on.

[PoliticOs]

How would they do that, AW? Without it being a more negative exercise than positive.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

The season we won
How many people played at right back

Ling, Judd and Turley. Marv maybe played there a couple of times.

Ling played 20 times and Judd 19 (in the league). Ling also played a couple of times at LB.

If I was a betting man, I'd wager Judd was thrown out to LB more than Sam was? Or maybe that was last season?

Also distinctly remember Lawless filling in at full back as well.

[Thor]

If we add in the stats from last season you will find the following.

Myles
P13 W3 D5 L5 GF 14 GA 17 CS 2

Myles had a 24% win rate and a 38% draw rate and a 38% loss rate. Clean sheets came in at 15%

Sam
P18 W4 D6 L8 GF23 GA31 CS 4

Sam had a 22% win rate a 33% draw rate and a 44% loss rate. Clean sheets came in at 22%

So once more the stats show that with Myles in the team it has a better chance of winning or drawing.

Its quite clear to the majority on here that Myles is the better player based on what we watch. Add in the stats and its indisputable the team is better for myles in it than sam

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

How would they do that, AW? Without it being a more negative exercise than positive.

Get Martin to do another interview where he singles out Judd for criticism, saying he's not up to it?

[BiggsyMalone]

The season we won
How many people played at right back

Ling, Judd and Turley. Marv maybe played there a couple of times.

Ling played 20 times and Judd 19 (in the league). Ling also played a couple of times at LB.

If I was a betting man, I'd wager Judd was thrown out to LB more than Sam was? Or maybe that was last season?

Also distinctly remember Lawless filling in at full back as well.

I remember Ling playing there because of where I sit. I think it was only a couple of times. Lawless played at RB too, you’re right

[Rich Tea Wellin]

How would they do that, AW? Without it being a more negative exercise than positive.

Well, mentioning him in pre match chat would be a start. They talk about everyone else who isn't in the squad (i.e. Turley picked up a knock, we are managing Jobi's fitness).

Not sure why you think updating fans on one of our players would be a negative exercise?

[PoliticOs]

How would they do that, AW? Without it being a more negative exercise than positive.

Get Martin to do another interview where he singles out Judd for criticism, saying he's not up to it?

This is the thing, this is exactly how it'll be read though.

'He's just not in our plans right now and needs to be patient' - mugging off a young player, favouring the least popular player at the club
'He hasn't been fit due to his injury record' - mugging off a young lad with an injury record
'We are looking to move him on loan' - as the first one
'We are looking to move him on' - as the first one

There isn't really a good way of doing it without it being read into by people as negative. Not really worth it.