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Thor wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 5:04 pm Isn’t it time we changed up team formation to 4-4-2?

Our wide players are not wide players
Our lone forward is isolated
Our full backs are stretched due to a lack of protection from the wide of the 3 up front
Ruel needs to start
Brophy needs to move into the left side of midfield

Let the wide players Express themselves and ask the central players to “get it out wide early” get crosses in to the box to the 2 forwards, ask questions of the opposition defenders.

What’s others opinion?

Millennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:07 pm One loss and we need to change the formation, half the team and the manager

f*** sake

Millennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:07 pm One loss and we need to change the formation, half the team and the manager

f*** sake

Tent Keague wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 12:27 am I agree about the shape, selection and all the other bits mentioned here.

But what hasn't been mentioned is how ineffectual Cisse has been this season. I'm yet to see him make a tackle and with him in the team I just think we're too defensive.

All he does is trap it, drag back, pass back to Coulson. Or pick it up short from Vigouroux, run five yards, trap it, drag back, pass back to Vigouroux.

Where's the drive coming from in this team?

Millennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:07 pm One loss and we need to change the formation, half the team and the manager

f*** sake

Tent Keague wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 12:27 am I agree about the shape, selection and all the other bits mentioned here.

But what hasn't been mentioned is how ineffectual Cisse has been this season. I'm yet to see him make a tackle and with him in the team I just think we're too defensive.

All he does is trap it, drag back, pass back to Coulson. Or pick it up short from Vigouroux, run five yards, trap it, drag back, pass back to Vigouroux.

Where's the drive coming from in this team?

O my gawd wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 7:32 am

Millennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:07 pm One loss and we need to change the formation, half the team and the manager

f*** sake

I tend to agree with Millennial on this.
You can't read too much into yesterday's game because of the lack of preparation & the fact that RE probably had to put out an xl least affected by illness.
I seem to remember at a similar point last season the same posters berating Boss for playing 3-5-2. Now others are playing it, it's ok & effective. I still think it could work. Turley on, Happe on left, probably Coulson or new signing in the middle with Thomas & Brophy as wing-backs.
That said 4-3-3 stabilised us last season & we have proved we can score with Johnson, Wilkinson & Sotiriou all chipping in.
This season will be like no other because the programme is relentless, players will be rested & it will be rare that RE will be able to out out his strongest xl.
Keep the Faith chaps

UpminsterO wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:36 pm Win or lose the club have really created a ongoing management issue with the two lings then Boss promotion

It seems all the negativity on this board for months has been about these three

Quite honestly it getting me rather peed off because it's ruining my perception and support of Lofc

I really feel a sense of unfairness to the running of the club on the football front - that does not mean I don't acknowledge the effort of all including the Ling senior role effort he obviously does in his employment

But good strategic decisions are not based in effort they have to be strong in thought

I really don't care how brilliant Boss is made up to be as a coach or how he talks so fluently at interviews

I want to see as I have in football over fifty years of watching players in the best positions and simply a team set up that is to fans logically sound

I don't buy into this over emphased of a squad rotation that we are weekly told - all that does is camaflouges or act as a mask to putting your best team out in their best positions

If a tennis player can play a grand slam match for hours in the heat as the top players do I cannot see how a professional footballer cannot last 90min or more Saturday and Tuesday and then they can even get subbed if needed

- and tuff who will seize on this because in his mind we lost and expressions are tabled let me make it clear that I feel this way even when we win

EH16 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 10:43 am

UpminsterO wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:36 pm Win or lose the club have really created a ongoing management issue with the two lings then Boss promotion

It seems all the negativity on this board for months has been about these three

Quite honestly it getting me rather peed off because it's ruining my perception and support of Lofc

I really feel a sense of unfairness to the running of the club on the football front - that does not mean I don't acknowledge the effort of all including the Ling senior role effort he obviously does in his employment

But good strategic decisions are not based in effort they have to be strong in thought

I really don't care how brilliant Boss is made up to be as a coach or how he talks so fluently at interviews

I want to see as I have in football over fifty years of watching players in the best positions and simply a team set up that is to fans logically sound

I don't buy into this over emphased of a squad rotation that we are weekly told - all that does is camaflouges or act as a mask to putting your best team out in their best positions

If a tennis player can play a grand slam match for hours in the heat as the top players do I cannot see how a professional footballer cannot last 90min or more Saturday and Tuesday and then they can even get subbed if needed

- and tuff who will seize on this because in his mind we lost and expressions are tabled let me make it clear that I feel this way even when we win

This board has always been full of non qualified people banging on about how their tactics/team selections would be better. That's football. It would make no difference who was DOF or Head Coach.

O my gawd wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 7:32 am

Millennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:07 pm One loss and we need to change the formation, half the team and the manager

f*** sake

I tend to agree with Millennial on this.
You can't read too much into yesterday's game because of the lack of preparation & the fact that RE probably had to put out an xl least affected by illness.
I seem to remember at a similar point last season the same posters berating Boss for playing 3-5-2. Now others are playing it, it's ok & effective. I still think it could work. Turley on, Happe on left, probably Coulson or new signing in the middle with Thomas & Brophy as wing-backs.
That said 4-3-3 stabilised us last season & we have proved we can score with Johnson, Wilkinson & Sotiriou all chipping in.
This season will be like no other because the programme is relentless, players will be rested & it will be rare that RE will be able to out out his strongest xl.
Keep the Faith chaps

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 8:29 am

Tent Keague wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 12:27 am I agree about the shape, selection and all the other bits mentioned here.

But what hasn't been mentioned is how ineffectual Cisse has been this season. I'm yet to see him make a tackle and with him in the team I just think we're too defensive.

All he does is trap it, drag back, pass back to Coulson. Or pick it up short from Vigouroux, run five yards, trap it, drag back, pass back to Vigouroux.

Where's the drive coming from in this team?

It’s a very interesting point and he’s a bit of an elephant in the room considering the hype he came with.

I didn’t see him play last season, so can’t comment but the main thing I’ve noticed is that for a DM, he cannot track a man to save his life. He’s been caught out a few times now and something he needs to focus on. Hopefully it’s a blip, as he really is key to this team.

gshaw wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 12:29 pm

O my gawd wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 7:32 am

Millennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:07 pm One loss and we need to change the formation, half the team and the manager

f*** sake

I tend to agree with Millennial on this.
You can't read too much into yesterday's game because of the lack of preparation & the fact that RE probably had to put out an xl least affected by illness.
I seem to remember at a similar point last season the same posters berating Boss for playing 3-5-2. Now others are playing it, it's ok & effective. I still think it could work. Turley on, Happe on left, probably Coulson or new signing in the middle with Thomas & Brophy as wing-backs.
That said 4-3-3 stabilised us last season & we have proved we can score with Johnson, Wilkinson & Sotiriou all chipping in.
This season will be like no other because the programme is relentless, players will be rested & it will be rare that RE will be able to out out his strongest xl.
Keep the Faith chaps

We didn't play 3-5-2 though, it was 5-3-2 with the players timidly hiding behind the halfway line waiting for the opposition to score (Swindon the best example). Cheltenham came at us full pelt from KO and it worked perfectly. We used the formation in a negative, defensive way and Cheltenham used it in a confident attacking style taking the game to us.

Would love to see us have that same type of confidence and go after teams rather than trying to play this conservative, "don't lose" style that leads to us having to chase the game second half. Got away with it for a couple of games but came up against opposition smart enough to see it through yesterday. There's goals in this team but they need to be given the freedom to attack sides from the start, as Peter Kitchen writes in his column.

As for the other comment on "if you're not a manager you can't have an opinion" just go back to the Davis times and youth goalkeepers to prove that the amateurs on a message board can be right over the professional manager. Whatever career you're in its possible to overthink things or be blind to a problem others can see, football is no different.

Tent Keague wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 1:34 pm

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 8:29 am

Tent Keague wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 12:27 am I agree about the shape, selection and all the other bits mentioned here.

But what hasn't been mentioned is how ineffectual Cisse has been this season. I'm yet to see him make a tackle and with him in the team I just think we're too defensive.

All he does is trap it, drag back, pass back to Coulson. Or pick it up short from Vigouroux, run five yards, trap it, drag back, pass back to Vigouroux.

Where's the drive coming from in this team?

It’s a very interesting point and he’s a bit of an elephant in the room considering the hype he came with.

I didn’t see him play last season, so can’t comment but the main thing I’ve noticed is that for a DM, he cannot track a man to save his life. He’s been caught out a few times now and something he needs to focus on. Hopefully it’s a blip, as he really is key to this team.

It's gone totally under the radar. We're effectively playing with 10 men.

Watch back yesterday (or any game this season) and I kid you not that anyone of us that have played football could have been selected and play there.

Trap ball, drag back, pass it backwards. A few teams have worked this out, jockey him and have robbed him a few times.

If we're gonna persist with this formation (and with the players I can't see how we can do anything else) we would be much better set up without a defensive midfielder and having an attacking midfielder playing in front of Jobi and Clay or Wright rather than a defensive one behind them. Ideally that'd be JMD or Dennis who looked sharp yesterday.

We'd be set up to go on the front foot and attack teams rather than the defensive way we start matches.

As someone mentioned above we've a bit of an embarrassment of riches when it comes to attacking, goalscoring and flair. It's just being stifled.

cockhat wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 11:04 am

EH16 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 10:43 am

UpminsterO wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:36 pm Win or lose the club have really created a ongoing management issue with the two lings then Boss promotion

It seems all the negativity on this board for months has been about these three

Quite honestly it getting me rather peed off because it's ruining my perception and support of Lofc

I really feel a sense of unfairness to the running of the club on the football front - that does not mean I don't acknowledge the effort of all including the Ling senior role effort he obviously does in his employment

But good strategic decisions are not based in effort they have to be strong in thought

I really don't care how brilliant Boss is made up to be as a coach or how he talks so fluently at interviews

I want to see as I have in football over fifty years of watching players in the best positions and simply a team set up that is to fans logically sound

I don't buy into this over emphased of a squad rotation that we are weekly told - all that does is camaflouges or act as a mask to putting your best team out in their best positions

If a tennis player can play a grand slam match for hours in the heat as the top players do I cannot see how a professional footballer cannot last 90min or more Saturday and Tuesday and then they can even get subbed if needed

- and tuff who will seize on this because in his mind we lost and expressions are tabled let me make it clear that I feel this way even when we win

This board has always been full of non qualified people banging on about how their tactics/team selections would be better. That's football. It would make no difference who was DOF or Head Coach.

Right or wrong we’re all entitled to our opinions!