Independent Leyton Orient Forum

The Hotspots and the other PL clubs treat this Cup with no respect.

They should stand aside and let us progress.

In fairness after seeing some of the hidings dished out
By premier league clubs to lower league tonight,
I'm kind of glad we wont be getting a tonking
Newcastle 7-0 v Morecambe & Barnsley hammered 6-0 .

Why should Spurs and Chelsea have to rearrange their season?

Orient knew the rules when they entered the competition.

Oh well c'est la vie.

At least we'll get some money and won't get a thrashing.

Load of bollocks.

Hope we put out the Under 12s in the first round next season and don't turn up to the trophy games.

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:31 am Why should Spurs and Chelsea have to rearrange their season?

Orient knew the rules when they entered the competition.

With this attitude I can see a lot of FA Cup games being forfeited when the big clubs enter in the middle of winter.

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:26 am

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:31 am Why should Spurs and Chelsea have to rearrange their season?

Orient knew the rules when they entered the competition.

With this attitude I can see a lot of FA Cup games being forfeited when the big clubs enter in the middle of winter.

If you’re virus free, you can play.

Like it or not, Premier League clubs are more important and bring a lot of money to this country. Orient were only getting that tv money because they were playing a Premier League club.

Correct me if I am wrong here, almost all the 1st team squad/staff are all in quarantine/self isolating for 2 weeks, so we cant play the game next week even if we wanted to, so it's simple we have to forfeit the game.

Hi Stan1972 if your correct what happens to the weekend game is that forfeited ?

Stan1972 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:03 am Correct me if I am wrong here, almost all the 1st team squad/staff are all in quarantine/self isolating for 2 weeks, so we cant play the game next week even if we wanted to, so it's simple we have to forfeit the game.

Travis said we had a team that we could have put out on tuesday, the whole entire squad/staff is just paper talk.

That sets the wrong precedent now if you're a lower league team and offered testing you're going to tell the other team to do one.

Adz wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:16 am

Stan1972 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:03 am Correct me if I am wrong here, almost all the 1st team squad/staff are all in quarantine/self isolating for 2 weeks, so we cant play the game next week even if we wanted to, so it's simple we have to forfeit the game.

Travis said we had a team that we could have put out on thursday, the whole entire squad/staff is just paper talk.

There were 17 or 18 positive tests (depending on who you believe), though you'll note that the club themselves have been silent about the precise number. I love Nige too, but he's just saying stuff here because he wanted the match to be re-scheduled. You can see from the outcome that the authorities (who have sight of the actual evidence) aren't buying it.

OyinbO wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:40 am

Adz wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:16 am

Stan1972 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:03 am Correct me if I am wrong here, almost all the 1st team squad/staff are all in quarantine/self isolating for 2 weeks, so we cant play the game next week even if we wanted to, so it's simple we have to forfeit the game.

Travis said we had a team that we could have put out on thursday, the whole entire squad/staff is just paper talk.

There were 17 or 18 positive tests (depending on who you believe), though you'll note that the club themselves have been silent about the precise number. I love Nige too, but he's just saying stuff here because he wanted the match to be re-scheduled. You can see from the outcome that the authorities (who have sight of the actual evidence) aren't buying it.

I believe Travis far more than the papers, he's been the most transparent chairman we've ever had.

Adz wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:53 am

OyinbO wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:40 am

Adz wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:16 am

Travis said we had a team that we could have put out on thursday, the whole entire squad/staff is just paper talk.

There were 17 or 18 positive tests (depending on who you believe), though you'll note that the club themselves have been silent about the precise number. I love Nige too, but he's just saying stuff here because he wanted the match to be re-scheduled. You can see from the outcome that the authorities (who have sight of the actual evidence) aren't buying it.

I believe Travis far more than the papers, he's been the most transparent chairman we've ever had.

He’s a class act, no doubt about it.

If we had a team to go, as is being claimed, we shouldn’t forfeit.

Be interesting to see how this pans out. I wonder if we were offered £150k to forfeit, or to play the game in another day without Sky’s cameras and money, which one we’d go for.

Adz wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:53 am

OyinbO wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:40 am

Adz wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:16 am

Travis said we had a team that we could have put out on thursday, the whole entire squad/staff is just paper talk.

There were 17 or 18 positive tests (depending on who you believe), though you'll note that the club themselves have been silent about the precise number. I love Nige too, but he's just saying stuff here because he wanted the match to be re-scheduled. You can see from the outcome that the authorities (who have sight of the actual evidence) aren't buying it.

I believe Travis far more than the papers, he's been the most transparent chairman we've ever had.

How many did travis say had tested positive?

marcho wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:15 am Hi Stan1972 if your correct what happens to the weekend game is that forfeited ?

The point I was making is:
The league game, if called off, which it will be, wont be forfeited as it can be re-scheduled without any problem for a later date, whereas apparently the Cup game is more of a problem due to the congested schedule and the 4th round being on Tuesday, followed by the 5th round the following Tuesday.

The question is, if we are asked to play the game on Tues (regardless of being Live on Sky), will we agree to play Spurs with O's youth team, as apparently almost the entire squad/staff are self isolating now?

RedO wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:01 am If we had a team to go, as is being claimed, we shouldn’t forfeit.

Orient did not have either a team to play, nor a ground to play ay on the date fixed for the match (ie Tuesday). The fact Orient could put out a team and host the game on Thursday is irrelevant as the match date was Tuesday. Rule 5 therefore comes into play. It may be hard, but the rule applies to all sides in that situation and as such Orient haven't got a leg to stand on.

Its gutting the club lose out on the big pay day, but that's life

Be interesting to see how this pans out. I wonder if we were offered £150k to forfeit, or to play the game in another day without Sky’s cameras and money, which one we’d go for.

RedO wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:02 am

Adz wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:53 am

OyinbO wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:40 am

There were 17 or 18 positive tests (depending on who you believe), though you'll note that the club themselves have been silent about the precise number. I love Nige too, but he's just saying stuff here because he wanted the match to be re-scheduled. You can see from the outcome that the authorities (who have sight of the actual evidence) aren't buying it.

I believe Travis far more than the papers, he's been the most transparent chairman we've ever had.

How many did travis say had tested positive?

He wouldn't say as they were still waiting for some test result. Widely rumoured at 18 positives have been told but can't verify that 10 players were positive as were 8 staff.

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:32 am

RedO wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:02 am

Adz wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:53 am

I believe Travis far more than the papers, he's been the most transparent chairman we've ever had.

How many did travis say had tested positive?

He wouldn't say as they were still waiting for some test result. Widely rumoured at 18 positives have been told but can't verify that 10 players were positive as were 8 staff.

Lots of figures doing the rounds. Think the Evening Standard was reporting 17 people.

Can speculate as to number of figures and as to why club haven't given a figure, but none of it changes anything and

Stan1972 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:21 am

marcho wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:15 am Hi Stan1972 if your correct what happens to the weekend game is that forfeited ?

The point I was making is:
The league game, if called off, which it will be, wont be forfeited as it can be re-scheduled without any problem for a later date, whereas apparently the Cup game is more of a problem due to the congested schedule and the 4th round being on Tuesday, followed by the 5th round the following Tuesday.

The question is, if we are asked to play the game on Tues (regardless of being Live on Sky), will we agree to play Spurs with O's youth team, as apparently almost the entire squad/staff are self isolating now?

5th Round is in December

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spen666 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:23 am

RedO wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:01 am If we had a team to go, as is being claimed, we shouldn’t forfeit.

Orient did not have either a team to play, nor a ground to play ay on the date fixed for the match (ie Tuesday). The fact Orient could put out a team and host the game on Thursday is irrelevant as the match date was Tuesday. Rule 5 therefore comes into play. It may be hard, but the rule applies to all sides in that situation and as such Orient haven't got a leg to stand on.

Its gutting the club lose out on the big pay day, but that's life

Be interesting to see how this pans out. I wonder if we were offered £150k to forfeit, or to play the game in another day without Sky’s cameras and money, which one we’d go for.

I wish you would stick to the facts.

Nigel has clearly stated we had a team ready to play. Please stop making stuff up to try and run down my football club.

RedO wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:49 am

spen666 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:23 am

RedO wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:01 am If we had a team to go, as is being claimed, we shouldn’t forfeit.

Orient did not have either a team to play, nor a ground to play ay on the date fixed for the match (ie Tuesday). The fact Orient could put out a team and host the game on Thursday is irrelevant as the match date was Tuesday. Rule 5 therefore comes into play. It may be hard, but the rule applies to all sides in that situation and as such Orient haven't got a leg to stand on.

Its gutting the club lose out on the big pay day, but that's life

Be interesting to see how this pans out. I wonder if we were offered £150k to forfeit, or to play the game in another day without Sky’s cameras and money, which one we’d go for.

I wish you would stick to the facts.

Nigel has clearly stated we had a team ready to play. Please stop making stuff up to try and run down my football club.

I am not disagreeing that they had a team and possibly a venue to play on Thursday night. That is irrelevant.

They could not host the match on the date it was fixed for ( irrespective of the alleged availability of a team). No ground tends to be a problem.

Orient could not fulfill the fixture on Tuesday night owing to the positive Covid tests. Therefore Rule 5 applies.

Its not running down the club. I am not blaming anyone or criticising anyone. The simple fact is that Orient could not fulfill the fixture and therefore Rule 5 applies.

Its not about blame or running anyone down. Its about the rules of the competition. Orient could not comply with the rules like a number of sides in the FA Cup this season who have also forfeited ties in that competition

RedO wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:01 am If we had a team to go, as is being claimed, we shouldn’t forfeit.

Be interesting to see how this pans out. I wonder if we were offered £150k to forfeit, or to play the game in another day without Sky’s cameras and money, which one we’d go for.

We'd play another day, I reckon, particularly with another payday with Chelsea in prospect and Spurs increasingly compressed fixture schedule.

Isn't most of that £150k not a loss per se, it's bonus income that we haven't (yet) received?