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Thor wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:22 pm Oh look my little left leaning fellow borders. The recovery is well under way as per the chief economist at the Bank of England.

The good ship UK is powering forwards you must all be so gutted.

Britain's economy on course for rapid recovery from coronavirus crisis https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... e-masthead

Thor wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:22 pm Oh look my little left leaning fellow borders. The recovery is well under way as per the chief economist at the Bank of England.

The good ship UK is powering forwards you must all be so gutted.

Britain's economy on course for rapid recovery from coronavirus crisis https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... e-masthead

Thor wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:22 pm Oh look my little left leaning fellow borders. The recovery is well under way as per the chief economist at the Bank of England.

The good ship UK is powering forwards you must all be so gutted.

Britain's economy on course for rapid recovery from coronavirus crisis https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... e-masthead

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:13 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:22 pm Oh look my little left leaning fellow borders. The recovery is well under way as per the chief economist at the Bank of England.

The good ship UK is powering forwards you must all be so gutted.

Britain's economy on course for rapid recovery from coronavirus crisis https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... e-masthead

"The Bank predicts the collapse in economic activity will push unemployment up to 2.5million by the end of the year (a conservative estimate), with the young, poor and least-skilled being worst affected.

This is far more than mere numbers. Every job lost means a life thrown into chaos, a person or family worrying about how to pay the bills".

So much for optimism for economic recovery

Feel for the millions whose lives will be ripped apart by this over the next year or 5 .

Thor wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:22 pm Oh look my little left leaning fellow borders. The recovery is well under way as per the chief economist at the Bank of England.

The good ship UK is powering forwards you must all be so gutted.

Britain's economy on course for rapid recovery from coronavirus crisis https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... e-masthead

NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 9:00 am

Thor wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:22 pm Oh look my little left leaning fellow borders. The recovery is well under way as per the chief economist at the Bank of England.

The good ship UK is powering forwards you must all be so gutted.

Britain's economy on course for rapid recovery from coronavirus crisis https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... e-masthead

Meanwhile, out there in the Real World, where Unicorns and Tooth Fairies don't exist......................

Britain isn’t ‘recovering’, whatever the Bank may suggest
https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... recovering

Dire warning UK faces recession until 2023 and will fall behind US and Europe
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... l-22527537

Lloyds warns that second wave of coronavirus cases could send UK into double-dip recession
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mar ... ssion.html

UK is running out of options to spur an economic recovery
https://www.thenational.ae/opinion/comm ... -1.1063878

The UK economy suffered a bigger slump than any other major European economy in the second quarter, shrinking by a fifth and falling into its deepest recession on record
https://www.ft.com/content/c8b172e2-8f7 ... 3e9a4b6839

RedO wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:00 am Please tell me more about the ‘strong political bias’ of the media, dohy.

RedO wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:00 am Please tell me more about the ‘strong political bias’ of the media, dohy.

EH16 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:13 am

RedO wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:00 am Please tell me more about the ‘strong political bias’ of the media, dohy.

This, from nearly a hundred years ago, will get you started https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinoviev_letter

Dohnut wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:40 am

RedO wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:00 am Please tell me more about the ‘strong political bias’ of the media, dohy.

I’m sure I don’t need to RedO. I read a wide range of papers and their “take” on the same situation varies widely according to their bias. Not to mention TV news outlets. Can be quite amusing but not to be taken without a massive pinch of salt. It’s the way of the world.

Though to be fair some is quite subtle. The BBC are particularly good in that area most of the time.

We all know that. I’m sure you are well versed in media bias and don’t need any explanation from me.

Dohnut wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:44 am

EH16 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:13 am

RedO wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:00 am Please tell me more about the ‘strong political bias’ of the media, dohy.

This, from nearly a hundred years ago, will get you started https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinoviev_letter

Great story. But then again Wiki is not totally independent in its position, just reflects the views of its contributors.

As you may guess. When it come to the media I am hugely cynical. YouTube is the same, can be highly amusing but my goodness, some of the bias is blatant.

BoniO wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 12:01 pm

Dohnut wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:40 am

RedO wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:00 am Please tell me more about the ‘strong political bias’ of the media, dohy.

I’m sure I don’t need to RedO. I read a wide range of papers and their “take” on the same situation varies widely according to their bias. Not to mention TV news outlets. Can be quite amusing but not to be taken without a massive pinch of salt. It’s the way of the world.

Though to be fair some is quite subtle. The BBC are particularly good in that area most of the time.

We all know that. I’m sure you are well versed in media bias and don’t need any explanation from me.

Given that you read a "wide range of papers" would you agree that the majority of UK based newspapers have a right wing bias? What papers do you consider to be right wing and which papers to be left wing?

Dohnut wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:40 am

RedO wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:00 am Please tell me more about the ‘strong political bias’ of the media, dohy.

I’m sure I don’t need to RedO. I read a wide range of papers and their “take” on the same situation varies widely according to their bias. Not to mention TV news outlets. Can be quite amusing but not to be taken without a massive pinch of salt. It’s the way of the world.

Though to be fair some is quite subtle. The BBC are particularly good in that area most of the time.

We all know that. I’m sure you are well versed in media bias and don’t need any explanation from me.

Dunners wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 5:50 pm The BBC isn't 'left wing'. It's ' socially liberal'. Stop confusing those two concepts. I understand why people do it, but the two are entirely separate political positions. Extreme liberalism (let's call it wokeness) is increasingly adopted by people who like to think of themselves as 'left', but would sh*t their pants should they ever be confronted with genuine left economic policies. It's easier to argue over the minutiae of niche sensitivities and micro-aggressions than confront their own privileged middle-class backgrounds.

Sure, you can be a left-wing liberal, but that is not a position held by the BBC. It is a pro-establishment, socially liberal institution. It praises at the alter of Saint Greta whilst also kissing the arse of the Queen. The Guardian is similar, but slightly less pro-establishment. And The Mirror is even more irrelevant.

The mainstream media (including the so-called left-wing papers and BBC) is overwhelming biased towards the economic right. The only split is whether they are socially right or left. What isn't represented is economic left/socially right. And yet that's the constituency that the Tories tapped into to win their majority, and which Labour continues to ignore (or be terrified of).

Beradogs wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 5:19 pm There isn’t a right wing newspaper that is more right wing than the Guardian, The Mirror and dare I say the BBC are left wing anymore. The Mail is very much in the centre since Geordie Grieg took over as editor. The Sun is not especially political. The Telegraph is centre right. There are more right leaning papers but in these fragmented times when a majority have moved away from the centre( see the Liberal Democrat’s performances of late) the Left have real representation. The right don’t.

Dunners wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 5:50 pm The BBC isn't 'left wing'. It's ' socially liberal'. Stop confusing those two concepts. I understand why people do it, but the two are entirely separate political positions. Extreme liberalism (let's call it wokeness) is increasingly adopted by people who like to think of themselves as 'left', but would sh*t their pants should they ever be confronted with genuine left economic policies. It's easier to argue over the minutiae of niche sensitivities and micro-aggressions than confront their own privileged middle-class backgrounds.

Sure, you can be a left-wing liberal, but that is not a position held by the BBC. It is a pro-establishment, socially liberal institution. It praises at the alter of Saint Greta whilst also kissing the arse of the Queen. The Guardian is similar, but slightly less pro-establishment. And The Mirror is even more irrelevant.

The mainstream media (including the so-called left-wing papers and BBC) is overwhelming biased towards the economic right. The only split is whether they are socially right or left. What isn't represented is economic left/socially right. And yet that's the constituency that the Tories tapped into to win their majority, and which Labour continues to ignore (or be terrified of).

Beradogs wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 5:19 pm There isn’t a right wing newspaper that is more right wing than the Guardian, The Mirror and dare I say the BBC are left wing anymore. The Mail is very much in the centre since Geordie Grieg took over as editor. The Sun is not especially political. The Telegraph is centre right. There are more right leaning papers but in these fragmented times when a majority have moved away from the centre( see the Liberal Democrat’s performances of late) the Left have real representation. The right don’t.

BoniO wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 6:50 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 5:50 pm The BBC isn't 'left wing'. It's ' socially liberal'. Stop confusing those two concepts. I understand why people do it, but the two are entirely separate political positions. Extreme liberalism (let's call it wokeness) is increasingly adopted by people who like to think of themselves as 'left', but would sh*t their pants should they ever be confronted with genuine left economic policies. It's easier to argue over the minutiae of niche sensitivities and micro-aggressions than confront their own privileged middle-class backgrounds.

Sure, you can be a left-wing liberal, but that is not a position held by the BBC. It is a pro-establishment, socially liberal institution. It praises at the alter of Saint Greta whilst also kissing the arse of the Queen. The Guardian is similar, but slightly less pro-establishment. And The Mirror is even more irrelevant.

The mainstream media (including the so-called left-wing papers and BBC) is overwhelming biased towards the economic right. The only split is whether they are socially right or left. What isn't represented is economic left/socially right. And yet that's the constituency that the Tories tapped into to win their majority, and which Labour continues to ignore (or be terrified of).

Whilst not actually disagreeing with what you're saying, well if I can understand what you're saying that is, it's exactly this kind of buzzword, sound-byte ridden text that will p*ss off most voters. Who wants to be pitched at at this level ffs. This may well make sense to you, and good luck to you. For most people they'll just be thinking what a load of pretentious bollocks. I'm almost sorry to be writing this. I think you mean well but ffs talk in plain English. It just looks like you're out to impress the plebs.