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I trust you have invited Ling or someone else senior onto the next show in order to give them an absolute roasting about Redundancy Gate.

Will Emma be reinstated now we are obviously flush with cash?

They need to be held to account.

She was replaced by someone cheaper. It’s the way of the world.

Is that a good thing?

We can’t judge but the club can.

DuvB wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 12:33 pm We can’t judge but the club can.

Ah, accept everything, question nothing.

I'm afraid you may have got the wrong idea about what and who that podcast is for, Diso

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 12:50 pm

DuvB wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 12:33 pm We can’t judge but the club can.

Ah, accept everything, question nothing.

All I am saying is that us on the outside know very little.

OyinbO wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 1:14 pm I'm afraid you may have got the wrong idea about what and who that podcast is for, Diso

It's a mouthpiece the club can use to come on and talk bollocks whilst showing how engaged they are with the fan base.

No radio show or podcast will ask anyone at the club will ask why members of staff were laid off because of the economic climate (Ling's exact words), why they guilted people into waiving their refunds from last season but at the same time added even more coaching staff.

I wonder whether the 'economic climate' has affected Mr. Ling's wages? Or indeed, whether the 'economic climate' proffered Messrs. Embleton, Brill, McAnuff, Senda and Harrold to offer up a collective slight reduction in their wages (in the interim), to keep Emma employed; at least until there's an upturn?

Let's be honest here - in the bigger scheme of things, we clearly aren't a Club that is suffering financially, like some others in our League. The appointment of so many 'back room' positions is clear evidence of that (should it have been needed). Would it really be too much to ask our fleet of coaches to contribute collectively towards keeping someone employed; particularly during these somewhat challenging times of so many job losses?

That could have been, indeed SHOULD HAVE BEEN, the Orient way of doing things.

Sorry I must have missed this story about “ Emma” whoever she is?
Please could someone on here enlighten us what happened to Emma.
Many thanks

A few weeks ago you can guarantee that nobody knew who Emma was and what she did yet now people looking to make a fuss for making a fuss' sake are up in arms about her leaving

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:28 pm A few weeks ago you can guarantee that nobody knew who Emma was and what she did yet now people looking to make a fuss for making a fuss' sake are up in arms about her leaving

No, Martin Ling specifically said Ottley and Baughurst were both leaving because they had to reduce the number of staff due to the current economic climate. Clearly that isn't true because Brill took over as GK coach and Harrold has since come in. If they both left and no reason was given, there wouldn't be an issue.

dont go disrespecting Emma, saying no one knew her
I lived next door to Alice for 24 years and no one knew who she was!

Cheshunto wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:26 pm Sorry I must have missed this story about “ Emma” whoever she is?
Please could someone on here enlighten us what happened to Emma.
Many thanks

https://www.leytonorient.com/2020/06/05 ... s-move-on/

Not really 'gate' worthy is it?

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:41 pm

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:28 pm A few weeks ago you can guarantee that nobody knew who Emma was and what she did yet now people looking to make a fuss for making a fuss' sake are up in arms about her leaving

No, Martin Ling specifically said Ottley and Baughurst were both leaving because they had to reduce the number of staff due to the current economic climate. Clearly that isn't true because Brill took over as GK coach and Harrold has since come in. If they both left and no reason was given, there wouldn't be an issue.

Brill was already was on the coaching staff, so the decision about him or Ottley makes sense if he is taking on responsibility for the keepers. No point having duplication of roles there. Ottley possibly a victim of Brill's contract, but remember that Brill has coached before.

As far as Baughurst goes, since then Senda and Harrold have been added to the coaching staff, not just Harrold, as well as McAnuff renewing and rejoining the coaching team. That suggests that in order to add coaches we've had to sacrifice an off field staffing role. I.e. the club have reviewed roles and made a decison on priorities and what they need most and had to get rid of this role that they'd ideally have kept in better economic times to allow another different position to be subsidised along with tge saving from Ottley. It's the most obvious explanation.

I wondered what a sport scientist actually did ? After googling it, I think that it would be more worthwhile to have one at a football club rather than adding extra coaches.
Here is a brief summing up, further more information via the link.
''Sports scientists assist sportspeople to achieve the best possible sporting performance, by applying knowledge and techniques from the areas of medicine, physiology, biomechanics (the study of human movement), nutrition, psychology and physiotherapy/massage.''
What is sport and exercise science ?

Cheshunto wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:26 pm Sorry I must have missed this story about “ Emma” whoever she is?
Please could someone on here enlighten us what happened to Emma.
Many thanks

She was a bit of a fitty
It is possible they went for an uglier version
to keep all the boys minds on there jobs.

As well as wags being put at ease .

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:04 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:41 pm

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:28 pm A few weeks ago you can guarantee that nobody knew who Emma was and what she did yet now people looking to make a fuss for making a fuss' sake are up in arms about her leaving

No, Martin Ling specifically said Ottley and Baughurst were both leaving because they had to reduce the number of staff due to the current economic climate. Clearly that isn't true because Brill took over as GK coach and Harrold has since come in. If they both left and no reason was given, there wouldn't be an issue.

Brill was already was on the coaching staff, so the decision about him or Ottley makes sense if he is taking on responsibility for the keepers. No point having duplication of roles there. Ottley possibly a victim of Brill's contract, but remember that Brill has coached before.

As far as Baughurst goes, since then Senda and Harrold have been added to the coaching staff, not just Harrold, as well as McAnuff renewing and rejoining the coaching team. That suggests that in order to add coaches we've had to sacrifice an off field staffing role. I.e. the club have reviewed roles and made a decison on priorities and what they need most and had to get rid of this role that they'd ideally have kept in better economic times to allow another different position to be subsidised along with tge saving from Ottley. It's the most obvious explanation.

You're deliberately missing the point.

Brill for Ottley isn't an issue. Martin Ling chose to say 'due to the current economic climate, I've had to reduce the number of staff'. Getting Senda in is fine, they needed a number 2. If they think Matt Harrold will add coaching experience to Embleton, Senda, McAnuff and Brill, then God help us. Matt Harrold isn't needed, simple as that.

Clearly what Martin Ling said wasn't true or it was misleading. Saying 'we've reduced the number of staff so we could give ex-players a leg up' isn't going to wash. Either be honest or don't say anything.

Sorry, only just seen this.
Firstly we did ask previously about staff being made redundant. Understandably Danny Macklin declined to talk about individuals, but at that moment in time that was the financial decision taken.
Obviously it was done before the wage cap was agreed upon.

So was it just ''all talk'' a while back that Alex Lawless might be coming to the Os for some type of role in the coaching set up, perhaps with the youngsters ?

Andy Gilson wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:19 pm Sorry, only just seen this.
Firstly we did ask previously about staff being made redundant. Understandably Danny Macklin declined to talk about individuals, but at that moment in time that was the financial decision taken.
Obviously it was done before the wage cap was agreed upon.

Cheers

I wonder if he would answer the wider point about those decisions now

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 9:00 pm

Andy Gilson wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:19 pm Sorry, only just seen this.
Firstly we did ask previously about staff being made redundant. Understandably Danny Macklin declined to talk about individuals, but at that moment in time that was the financial decision taken.
Obviously it was done before the wage cap was agreed upon.

Cheers

I wonder if he would answer the wider point about those decisions now

I don't think you'll ever get anyone to discuss a particular individual, maybe he will comment on the wider subject, but as I said I would say that the decisions were taken before the decisions re wage capping were taken. It's all about what the club are going to get for their £ & the best utilisation of funds. They may have felt somebody else in sports science cld cover Emma's work and that releases funds for 'x' & by releasing a goalkeeping coach and reappointing an existing staff member that freed up money to employ 'Y'.
Tbf, I am always mindful that the people let go have to find alternative employment, and that may prove difficult atm. But companies do this sort of thing all the time, they are just not in the public eye as much as a football club.
All clubs are cutting back, even Arsenal making over 50 redundant, when you look at the salaries of the players that one does leave a bad taste in the mouth.

Wouldn't waste your time replying any further Andy

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:09 pm I wondered what a sport scientist actually did ? After googling it, I think that it would be more worthwhile to have one at a football club rather than adding extra coaches.
Here is a brief summing up, further more information via the link.
''Sports scientists assist sportspeople to achieve the best possible sporting performance, by applying knowledge and techniques from the areas of medicine, physiology, biomechanics (the study of human movement), nutrition, psychology and physiotherapy/massage.''
What is sport and exercise science ?

The head of our sports science is Michael Mullane
He has been at the club 2 years & 2 months

Emma Baughurst was a more junior member of staff.