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In the Latest Clip On Twitter It Appears Ruel Is Back Training With Orient! Let’s hope he sign the deal.

Lofctillwedie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:11 pm In the Latest Clip On Twitter It Appears Ruel Is Back Training With Orient! Let’s hope he sign the deal.

Maybe the dreams of a big club coming in for him haven’t materialised.

Glad to hear it, but has he put pen to paper, I wonder.

Dohnut wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:35 pm

Lofctillwedie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:11 pm In the Latest Clip On Twitter It Appears Ruel Is Back Training With Orient! Let’s hope he sign the deal.

Maybe the dreams of a big club coming in for him haven’t materialised.

Let’s be honest he hasn’t really proved anything yet. That’s why it makes more sense for him to stay here and develop more before moving onwards

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:56 pm

Dohnut wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:35 pm

Lofctillwedie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:11 pm In the Latest Clip On Twitter It Appears Ruel Is Back Training With Orient! Let’s hope he sign the deal.

Maybe the dreams of a big club coming in for him haven’t materialised.

Let’s be honest he hasn’t really proved anything yet. That’s why it makes more sense for him to stay here and develop more before moving onwards

Agreed.

Hopefully everybody has taken a sensible pill and we can agree a mutually beneficial new deal.

Maybe his advisors have told him, it looks better to prospective future employers if he's training, rather than showing a bad attitude.
He still may be going elsewhere

Clearly fancies his chances on the end of Yaya’s precision balls. Wise choice to return imho.

Let us see what the end result is. Like many others on this forum, I hope Ruel signs a new contract with us and stays with the Os for at least a couple of seasons.

Waiting for Peterborough to sell Toney to Celtic,then 4th choice on a better wage

I'd tell him to f*** off
Not fair on the rest of the players
you aint that good mate

What's not fair?

KC & sunshine band wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:02 pm I'd tell him to f*** off
Not fair on the rest of the players
you aint that good mate

You’re right, he isn’t yet but he has the potential to be. That’s why he should stay at least another season and see how he goes.

AckneyAwks wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:21 pm What's not fair?

what do you think ?

I dont know, that's why i'm asking. Expect you would tell him to f... off because he did not sign the contract we offered. None of us know the details of why he is back training could be any of new contract signed or still negotiating. In the Martin Ling interview he said the club would welcome Ruel back into training.

Omygawd wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 5:27 pm Clearly fancies his chances on the end of Yaya’s balls.

KC & sunshine band wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:02 pm I'd tell him to f*** off
Not fair on the rest of the players
you aint that good mate

Bit of cutting your nose to spite your face there though. Sometimes things need to be dealt with a bit more softly softly....

IF he signs on again for us then it's best for the club and what we all wanted from the beginning.

kokomO wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:48 pm

KC & sunshine band wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:02 pm I'd tell him to f*** off
Not fair on the rest of the players
you aint that good mate

Bit of cutting your nose to spite your face there though. Sometimes things need to be dealt with a bit more softly softly....

IF he signs on again for us then it's best for the club and what we all wanted from the beginning.

understand what your saying, but he has had the chance to sign another contract according to ling since November
No more Hokey Cokey your either in or out
Hundreds of players who are just as good and better who would love to play for the Os

AckneyAwks wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:41 pm I dont know, that's why i'm asking. Expect you would tell him to f... off because he did not sign the contract we offered. None of us know the details of why he is back training could be any of new contract signed or still negotiating. In the Martin Ling interview he said the club would welcome Ruel back into training.

nope the interview was like Ling had shut the door on this - Ling said we have offered him a contract since November and the club had heard nothing
Need to sort budgets and get players in who want to play
Hundreds of players eagerly looking to play
pre season the time for team bonding, no time for hokey cokeys

KC & sunshine band wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:00 pm

kokomO wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:48 pm

KC & sunshine band wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:02 pm I'd tell him to f*** off
Not fair on the rest of the players
you aint that good mate

Bit of cutting your nose to spite your face there though. Sometimes things need to be dealt with a bit more softly softly....

IF he signs on again for us then it's best for the club and what we all wanted from the beginning.

understand what your saying, but he has had the chance to sign another contract according to ling since November
No more Hokey Cokey your either in or out
Hundreds of players who are just as good and better who would love to play for the Os

Years ago clubs did hold onto players and refuse them transfers and football league clubs had a maximum wage structure. The maximum wage rule was abolished in 1961 and in 1963, the rule that restricted players from transferring to another club if they so wished was changed in favour of the players. So all in all, in the modern game, players have agents working on their behalf and they hold most of the aces in the pack when it comes to wage and transfer negotiations with the clubs.

https://spartacus-educational.com/Fwages.htm

''Despite the efforts of the Players' Union, there was no other change until 1945 when the maximum close season wage was increased to £7 per week. Two years later a National Arbitration Tribunal was established. It decided that the maximum wage should be raised to £12 in the playing season and £10 in the close season. The minimum wage for players over 20 was set at £7.
The maximum wage was increased to £14 (1951), £15 (1953), £17 (1957) and £20 (1958). The union argued that in 1939 the footballers' £8 was approximately double the average industrial wage, by 1960 the gap had narrowed to £5 with these figures standing at £20 and £15 respectively.
The players made further wage demands in 1960 and when these were backed by a threat to strike on 14th January, 1961. The Football League responded by abolishing the maximum wage. Johnny Haynes, the England captain, became the first £100 per-week player. However, some clubs such as Liverpool attempted to enforce unofficial wage ceilings. For example, Manchester United paid a maximum wage of £50 a week.
Newcastle United also tried to impose a maximum wage on its players. It also refused to sell George Eastham to Arsenal. The Players' Union took the matter to the High Court and in 1963 Justice Richard Wilberforce declared that the retain-and-transfer system was unreasonable and Newcastle's refusal to sell Eastham had amounted to a "restraint of trade". The following year the "retain" element of retain-and-transfer was greatly reduced, providing fairer terms for players looking to re-sign for their clubs, and setting up a transfer tribunal for disputes.''

KC & sunshine band wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:35 pm

AckneyAwks wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:41 pm I dont know, that's why i'm asking. Expect you would tell him to f... off because he did not sign the contract we offered. None of us know the details of why he is back training could be any of new contract signed or still negotiating. In the Martin Ling interview he said the club would welcome Ruel back into training.

nope the interview was like Ling had shut the door on this - Ling said we have offered him a contract since November and the club had heard nothing
Need to sort budgets and get players in who want to play
Hundreds of players eagerly looking to play
pre season the time for team bonding, no time for hokey cokeys

Think you need to revisit that Ling interview KC, he clearly says that the club would welcome him back with open arms if he decides that LOFC is where he wants to be. Door remains firmly open.

Lofctillwedie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:11 pm In the Latest Clip On Twitter It Appears Ruel Is Back Training With Orient! Let’s hope he sign the deal.

Did he bring a letter from his Mum explaining why he wasn’t there last week?

KC & sunshine band wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:00 pm

kokomO wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:48 pm

KC & sunshine band wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:02 pm I'd tell him to f*** off
Not fair on the rest of the players
you aint that good mate

Bit of cutting your nose to spite your face there though. Sometimes things need to be dealt with a bit more softly softly....

IF he signs on again for us then it's best for the club and what we all wanted from the beginning.

understand what your saying, but he has had the chance to sign another contract according to ling since November
No more Hokey Cokey your either in or out
Hundreds of players who are just as good and better who would love to play for the Os

If we want comp for him we have to keep him on a rolling weekly contract.

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:06 pm

KC & sunshine band wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:35 pm

AckneyAwks wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:41 pm I dont know, that's why i'm asking. Expect you would tell him to f... off because he did not sign the contract we offered. None of us know the details of why he is back training could be any of new contract signed or still negotiating. In the Martin Ling interview he said the club would welcome Ruel back into training.

nope the interview was like Ling had shut the door on this - Ling said we have offered him a contract since November and the club had heard nothing
Need to sort budgets and get players in who want to play
Hundreds of players eagerly looking to play
pre season the time for team bonding, no time for hokey cokeys

Think you need to revisit that Ling interview KC, he clearly says that the club would welcome him back with open arms if he decides that LOFC is where he wants to be. Door remains firmly open.

Oh come on.

He’s laying all blame squarely at Ruels door here. If I was Ruel, Lingy going public like this and slating me would make me only more determined to get out.

Fair play to the kid for forgiving Lingy and coming back in. Let’s hope we can make a proper offer worthy of his ability and get him signed up.

Also, I though Embleton took the training sessions?