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Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:04 am Can anybody make sense of this new junction in Manchester?

Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:29 am Do the colours represent a scoring system?

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:04 am Can anybody make sense of this new junction in Manchester?

Mick McQuaid wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 10:18 am Luckily as stillspike says it's not designed to be hovered over, at ground level you just follow the lights.

Popular all over Holland and a rare example of taking a tried and tested idea that works perfectly well rather than going for a World beating British design.

OyinbO wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:55 am Indeed, and I got an earful from a motorcyclist yesterday for (quite safely, and in full knowledge of traffic flows) going through a red yesterday. The motorcyclist promptly triggered a warning sign for speeding, which rather undermined his sense of rectitude.

Anyway, there's plenty of evidence for many cyclists intuit - that it is actually safer for them to make their own decisions about when to cross, rather than to rely on the same traffic signals that apply to motor traffic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_stop. After all, if they get it wrong, it's them that pays the price, not drivers.

And it doesn't seem unfair to me to apply a different standard to a vehicle that is only a fraction as heavy, and rather slower than a motor vehicle. Cars, vans, lorries, and motorbikes can strike with lethal force (and that's before we even get into the pollution question) and should absolutely be more tightly managed than cyclists.

I speak as a pedestrian, a cyclist, and a driver. I want this city to be more liveable for my children as they grow up, and if that means more cycling and less driving - good.

OyinbO wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:55 am Indeed, and I got an earful from a motorcyclist yesterday for (quite safely, and in full knowledge of traffic flows) going through a red yesterday. The motorcyclist promptly triggered a warning sign for speeding, which rather undermined his sense of rectitude.

Anyway, there's plenty of evidence for many cyclists intuit - that it is actually safer for them to make their own decisions about when to cross, rather than to rely on the same traffic signals that apply to motor traffic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_stop. After all, if they get it wrong, it's them that pays the price, not drivers.

And it doesn't seem unfair to me to apply a different standard to a vehicle that is only a fraction as heavy, and rather slower than a motor vehicle. Cars, vans, lorries, and motorbikes can strike with lethal force (and that's before we even get into the pollution question) and should absolutely be more tightly managed than cyclists.

I speak as a pedestrian, a cyclist, and a driver. I want this city to be more liveable for my children as they grow up, and if that means more cycling and less driving - good.

Thor wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 2:56 pm I've cycled in Holland and I can tell you its absolutely wonderful. Never worrying about some lunatic taking you out and everyone happy relaxed and smiling its unreal.

Mikero wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 3:05 pm The problem is that a handful of idiot cyclists ignore red lights at pedestrian crossings and try a weave through the people on them, who have to jump out of the way when they have every right to be there. The only way is to impound cycles as they do with vehicles with no tax.

Mikero

HeyO wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:46 am Make helmets compulsory.

HeyO wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:46 am Make helmets compulsory.

HeyO wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:46 am Make helmets compulsory.

HeyO wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:46 am Make helmets compulsory.