Gesture Politics

[Clive Evans]

Sir Keith Starmer & his Deputy doing the kneeling thing, made me feel a little uncomfortable. Maybe he means well, but it is really just a quick photo opportunity. A bit like this business with the statues. It grabs the headlines for a few days or maybe a couple of weeks, then what?
If you really want to bring about Political change you gotta work damn hard at it and risk unpopularity. The Sufferagettes achieved a lot, but it involved gaol, self-sacrifice and derision. The Irish the same, to get home rule. Aneurin Bevan worked ceaselessly to get the National Health Service, knowing how well it had worked on a small scale in his Constituency. Even the Brexiteers ( I'm gonna get slaughtered on this one, even though I am a die-hard Remoaner ) , have worked tirelessly over very many years to get their objectives; it helps if you don't fight too fair. Time to end the empty gestures and do some real political hard fighting. The Racial minorities in this country are loosing out on so many things: wages, health, justice and respect. You gotta fight hard but you need to win the moral argument. Rioting is no good, it just sets the public against you. You got to be more sophisticated than your Political opponents.

[StillSpike]

Sir Keith Starmer & his Deputy doing the kneeling thing, made me feel a little uncomfortable. Maybe he means well, but it is really just a quick photo opportunity. A bit like this business with the statues. It grabs the headlines for a few days or maybe a couple of weeks, then what?
If you really want to bring about Political change you gotta work damn hard at it and risk unpopularity. The Sufferagettes achieved a lot, but it involved gaol, self-sacrifice and derision. The Irish the same, to get home rule. Aneurin Bevan worked ceaselessly to get the National Health Service, knowing how well it had worked on a small scale in his Constituency. Even the Brexiteers ( I'm gonna get slaughtered on this one, even though I am a die-hard Remoaner ) , have worked tirelessly over very many years to get their objectives; it helps if you don't fight too fair. Time to end the empty gestures and do some real political hard fighting. The Racial minorities in this country are loosing out on so many things: wages, health, justice and respect. You gotta fight hard but you need to win the moral argument. Rioting is no good, it just sets the public against you. You got to be more sophisticated than your Political opponents.

[ComeOnYouOs]

Sir Keith Starmer & his Deputy doing the kneeling thing, made me feel a little uncomfortable. Maybe he means well, but it is really just a quick photo opportunity. A bit like this business with the statues. It grabs the headlines for a few days or maybe a couple of weeks, then what?
If you really want to bring about Political change you gotta work damn hard at it and risk unpopularity. The Sufferagettes achieved a lot, but it involved gaol, self-sacrifice and derision. The Irish the same, to get home rule. Aneurin Bevan worked ceaselessly to get the National Health Service, knowing how well it had worked on a small scale in his Constituency. Even the Brexiteers ( I'm gonna get slaughtered on this one, even though I am a die-hard Remoaner ) , have worked tirelessly over very many years to get their objectives; it helps if you don't fight too fair. Time to end the empty gestures and do some real political hard fighting. The Racial minorities in this country are loosing out on so many things: wages, health, justice and respect. You gotta fight hard but you need to win the moral argument. Rioting is no good, it just sets the public against you. You got to be more sophisticated than your Political opponents.

In many of the examples you quote above, where you say, hard work achieved their goals, thats true to a certain extent, but most of the examples you quote used bloody violence to achieve their goals, and without the violence, they wouldnt have achieved them.
For the Irish to get Home Rule, for many years terrible atrocities were committed, and im sure you would have been posting about how terrible the violence is and how it could all be achieved democratically.
The thing is it cant.....I cant think of many, or even any cause which was achieved without struggle and violence, because those with the power, will not relinquish it without violence perpetrated against them.
The suffragettes used violence and terror in ways not seen at that time in Britain to achieve their goals, and once again, they would not have without the violence.
I hate violence, but I understand that without violence, its very rare to get what you want, because as i said, those who have the power, wont readily give it up

[Long slender neck]

Democracy?

[Clive Evans]

Well Aneurin Bevan used Democracy. The Sufferagettes didn't have that luxury. It's horses for courses ( poor quote ). Always better to achieve your aims by peaceful means. But depends if your audience is listening to you.

[Currywurst and Chips]

[faldO]

According to Sir Keir Rodney Starmer's wikipedia page he was named by his parents after Keir Hardie, a founder of the Labour Party.

Keir Hardie had some forthright and unsavoury views about immigration with which I am sure Sir Keir would not want to be associated.

Should Sir Keir (be compelled to) change his name?

[Disoriented]

According to Sir Keir Rodney Starmer's wikipedia page he was named by his parents after Keir Hardie, a founder of the Labour Party.

Keir Hardie had some forthright and unsavoury views about immigration with which I am sure Sir Keir would not want to be associated.

Should Sir Keir (be compelled to) change his name?

WUM alert. Nothing to read here people. Move along.

[Mikero]

Expediency is often a knife edge thing. What to do or seem to do in any situation needs good judgement if your action is not going to be used against you. Wanting to be seen as supporting the latest public mood is probably good, but that photo was not the best way to do it. If it had been done with the bulk of their MPs, as the Senate Democrats did with all of them kneeling, it would have worked.

Mikero

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

I’m just glad Norbert desentrangle wasn’t behind the lens.

[tuffers#1]

Sir Keith Starmer & his Deputy doing the kneeling thing, made me feel a little uncomfortable. Maybe he means well, but it is really just a quick photo opportunity. A bit like this business with the statues. It grabs the headlines for a few days or maybe a couple of weeks, then what?
If you really want to bring about Political change you gotta work damn hard at it and risk unpopularity. The Sufferagettes achieved a lot, but it involved gaol, self-sacrifice and derision. The Irish the same, to get home rule. Aneurin Bevan worked ceaselessly to get the National Health Service, knowing how well it had worked on a small scale in his Constituency. Even the Brexiteers ( I'm gonna get slaughtered on this one, even though I am a die-hard Remoaner ) , have worked tirelessly over very many years to get their objectives; it helps if you don't fight too fair. Time to end the empty gestures and do some real political hard fighting. The Racial minorities in this country are loosing out on so many things: wages, health, justice and respect. You gotta fight hard but you need to win the moral argument. Rioting is no good, it just sets the public against you. You got to be more sophisticated than your Political opponents.

Is that why the Football mob are up on saturday ?
So they can do some fighting ?

[Clive Evans]

tuffers#1 said" Is that why the Football mob are up on saturday ?
So they can do some fighting ?"

I've no idea, you seem to know more about that than me. I am safely ensconced in Fortress Grays well away from people.

[Dohnut]

Well Aneurin Bevan used Democracy. The Sufferagettes didn't have that luxury. It's horses for courses ( poor quote ). Always better to achieve your aims by peaceful means. But depends if your audience is listening to you.

Horses for courses. comedy gold.

[Dohnut]

According to Sir Keir Rodney Starmer's wikipedia page he was named by his parents after Keir Hardie, a founder of the Labour Party.

Keir Hardie had some forthright and unsavoury views about immigration with which I am sure Sir Keir would not want to be associated.

Should Sir Keir (be compelled to) change his name?

Only if it wins him a few more votes, then he will in a flash. Maybe Charmer Starmer.

[Mikero]

I see the bowldlerisation of peoples names is still fashionable. Using various corruptions of a persons name is a sign of insecurity and a lack of confidence in what you are trying to say. Its as if using the correct name will somehow hurt you. Name abuse is a ploy widely used by the gutter press to denigrate their victims and drag debate down to their level, you don't have to follow.

Mikero

[Orientnil]

Yet again the establishment manages to subdivide ordinary people. Left vs right, male against female, black against white, now we attack effigies of characters from the past. The skint should guard their precious unity and recognise distraction politics for what it is.